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Re: Depression / anxiety
Originally Posted by paulry
(Post 11021792)
Don't confuse caring with weakness. I am built amazingly strong and resilient, thanks. :)
You might believe I'm ramming it down peoples throats. I believe I am keeping people aware of alternative therapies. If you knew what I frequently witness you would understand my passion for this particular cause. To date and to my knowledge I have helped 5 people recover. Imagine if you can how many people's lives that has restored joy to :cool: If people like yourself aren't interested, then fine don't read the thread and the posts that I place on it. However, the read counts are steadily climbing (even when you and Penny and the tut tut brigade don't post on it), so some people are clearly interested. It's good that you are helping people but don't assume you are the only one to witness these things or that your alternative therapies helped people recover. Any support a person gets when they are depressed will help - chemical intervention is not always needed - whether those chemicals are manufactured by a pharmaceutical company or nature |
Re: Depression / anxiety
Originally Posted by old.sparkles
(Post 11021797)
Don't confuse look at to read either.
It's good that you are helping people but don't assume you are the only one to witness these things or that your alternative therapies helped people recover. Any support a person gets when they are depressed will help - chemical intervention is not always needed - whether those chemicals are manufactured by a pharmaceutical company or nature |
Re: Depression / anxiety
Originally Posted by paulry
(Post 11021842)
Goodness, that was a bit of a mixed bag :D
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Re: Depression / anxiety
Originally Posted by old.sparkles
(Post 11021797)
Don't confuse look at to read either.
It's good that you are helping people but don't assume you are the only one to witness these things or that your alternative therapies helped people recover. Any support a person gets when they are depressed will help - chemical intervention is not always needed - whether those chemicals are manufactured by a pharmaceutical company or nature Concern at psychiatric drugs used on children Antipsychotic drugs are doing harm The damage to developing brains cannot be overemphasized. Years ago, the Soviet Union was condemned for giving neuroleptic medication to political dissidents. We now are giving a more lethal form of this medication to our children. Where is the outcry? |
Re: Depression / anxiety
Originally Posted by paulry
(Post 11021953)
Something that people need to know is if they have a child suffering from anxiety or depression, hyperactivity or many other of the very human conditions, their local CAMHS will not provide the option for the child to be treated through nutrition-based therapy. Chemical treatments are pretty much the only show in town. :thumbdown:
Concern at psychiatric drugs used on children Antipsychotic drugs are doing harm In fact even in adults, the first step is often to look at diet, routines, sleep patterns etc - and all of this is offered via consultation with your GP - not some alternative preacher on youtube Of course, there are differing levels of depression, and also a number of other mental illnesses where medication may be a better approach. Your use of the term 'chemical' though implies something unnatural and alien about a pharmaceutical approach. Couldn't that also be true of high doses of vitamins since it would be almost impossible to consume such levels naturally |
Re: Depression / anxiety
One way to deal with depression - get moving
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Re: Depression / anxiety
Another cheer up - have a good giggle
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Re: Depression / anxiety
Originally Posted by old.sparkles
(Post 11021967)
Most children suffering depression and anxiety that I know have been treated via councelling though without the need for any medication.
In fact even in adults, the first step is often to look at diet, routines, sleep patterns etc - and all of this is offered via consultation with your GP - not some alternative preacher on youtube Of course, there are differing levels of depression, and also a number of other mental illnesses where medication may be a better approach. Your use of the term 'chemical' though implies something unnatural and alien about a pharmaceutical approach. Couldn't that also be true of high doses of vitamins since it would be almost impossible to consume such levels naturally OECD snapshot ranks Australia second in world in anti-depressant prescriptions Thing is people need to do their own research and question the treatments that they are given. Just because a treatment is prescribed by a doctor it doesn't mean that they know what they are doing. If they are doing something to your child's brain you need to be extra cautious. It's easy to dismiss a well respected authority who clearly knows his stuff as "some alternative preacher on youtube" but the fact is he is not beholden to any drug company (but the mainstream "professionals" are) and if you check out his knowledge and successes, he is not the "snake oil salesman" that you would like to believe. I suggest you do some research on the differences between pharmaceutical drugs and vitamins because your thinking is also wrong there. Read about vitamin dependency here. |
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Re: Depression / anxiety
Originally Posted by paulry
(Post 11022045)
That all sounds good but it is not at all what I have seen.
OECD snapshot ranks Australia second in world in anti-depressant prescriptions Thing is people need to do their own research and question the treatments that they are given. Just because a treatment is prescribed by a doctor it doesn't mean that they know what they are doing. If they are doing something to your child's brain you need to be extra cautious. It's easy to dismiss a well respected authority who clearly knows his stuff as "some alternative preacher on youtube" but the fact is he is not beholden to any drug company (but the mainstream "professionals" are) and if you check out his knowledge and successes, he is not the "snake oil salesman" that you would like to believe. I suggest you do some research on the differences between pharmaceutical drugs and vitamins because your thinking is also wrong there. Read about vitamin dependency here. There is an advertiser on the TV that points out to obtain the levels of omega 6 or 3 or whatever it is would mean eating a couple of dozen tuna - no way can you do that naturally. If you can't do it naturally, why would you think that you need to ingest that level of omega oils. (And if those numbers are wrong, I'm not going for a literal recollection of the advert, just the idea) Large doses of some vitamins are toxic. Some pharmaceuticals only contain naturally occurring substances too - and they are tested for their efficacy and safety (although I admit mistakes happen) GP's are not beholden to pharmaceutical companies - not the ones I know anyway. People will do their own research if they want - what you are posting is all out there on the net - let them do their own research and get on with your life. You do not need to drag this up week after week - yopu may be a strong person, but it is obviously on your mind. Working directly with people will have a better impact if that is what you want than posting mind numbing overly long youtube clips. If you want to recommend the work of particular individuals, mention their name - tell us a bit about what area they work in, but dont just post videos that are meaningless without context. what works for one complaint will not work for all complaints. Someone suffering from one disorder may decide on the basis of your evidence to stop taking their treatment which may be highly effective for them, and go and buy vit c in Chemart - then go on to take their lives and / or others. People suffering depression are vulnerable - don't prey on that vulnerability. Offer advice and point them in the direction of whatever healthcare professional works for you - alternative or otherwise |
Re: Depression / anxiety
Originally Posted by old.sparkles
(Post 11022074)
Where did I say we don't need vitamins.
There is an advertiser on the TV that points out to obtain the levels of omega 6 or 3 or whatever it is would mean eating a couple of dozen tuna - no way can you do that naturally. If you can't do it naturally, why would you think that you need to ingest that level of omega oils. (And if those numbers are wrong, I'm not going for a literal recollection of the advert, just the idea) Large doses of some vitamins are toxic. Some pharmaceuticals only contain naturally occurring substances too - and they are tested for their efficacy and safety (although I admit mistakes happen) GP's are not beholden to pharmaceutical companies - not the ones I know anyway. People will do their own research if they want - what you are posting is all out there on the net - let them do their own research and get on with your life. You do not need to drag this up week after week - yopu may be a strong person, but it is obviously on your mind. Working directly with people will have a better impact if that is what you want than posting mind numbing overly long youtube clips. If you want to recommend the work of particular individuals, mention their name - tell us a bit about what area they work in, but dont just post videos that are meaningless without context. what works for one complaint will not work for all complaints. Someone suffering from one disorder may decide on the basis of your evidence to stop taking their treatment which may be highly effective for them, and go and buy vit c in Chemart - then go on to take their lives and / or others. People suffering depression are vulnerable - don't prey on that vulnerability. Offer advice and point them in the direction of whatever healthcare professional works for you - alternative or otherwise Paul has had personal experience which has spurred him on to help anyone he can, especially important as he was unable to help his nephew as he wasn't aware of these alternative approaches to medication. Reading Pauls posts makes me realise it's his way of trying to make a difference i.e. if he can help one more person by sharing the knowledge, then it's one person less who will die from this terrible affliction. He's not hurting anyone and if you don't like it don't look. Ridiculing him for his passion in trying to help and trying to belittle him and his efforts is exactly the type of bullying behaviour expected in a school playground. Shame on you :thumbdown: |
Re: Depression / anxiety
Originally Posted by sonlymewalter
(Post 11022448)
I thought this was an internet forum where people can contribute however they want so long as it's not offensive or hurting anyone:confused:
Paul has had personal experience which has spurred him on to help anyone he can, especially important as he was unable to help his nephew as he wasn't aware of these alternative approaches to medication. Reading Pauls posts makes me realise it's his way of trying to make a difference i.e. if he can help one more person by sharing the knowledge, then it's one person less who will die from this terrible affliction. He's not hurting anyone and if you don't like it don't look. Ridiculing him for his passion in trying to help and trying to belittle him and his efforts is exactly the type of bullying behaviour expected in a school playground. Shame on you :thumbdown: As I said, if he believes in this approach, and I believe from re-reading the whole thread, that he has paid to train as a mindfullness / Orthomolecular nutritionist / advisor, then he would have a better impact doing this in real life, where the correct tests can be conducted in a supervised manner with the correct monitoring and guidance. Chucking up youtube videos as gospel is not the way to do it in my opinion - especially when a number of them have since been removed from youtube for whatever reason. If he does want to offer this advice on a professional basis, it would be far better to include information in a signature, and include a warning with posts that stopping any current treatment can be dangerous, and that professional support and advice should be sought in real life. Edit - this was the post I was referring too - http://britishexpats.com/forum/showt...6#post10058186 - I apologise as it doesn't say whether or not the training was taken. Depression affects lots of people and it does tend to be an emotive subject. |
Re: Depression / anxiety
Originally Posted by old.sparkles
(Post 11022485)
The post wasn't intended to be bullying but you cannot say that he is not hurting anyone, because we do not know who is reading the posts and what effect it has on them.
As I said, if he believes in this approach, and I believe from re-reading the whole thread, that he has paid to train as a mindfullness / Orthomolecular nutritionist / advisor, then he would have a better impact doing this in real life, where the correct tests can be conducted in a supervised manner with the correct monitoring and guidance. Chucking up youtube videos as gospel is not the way to do it in my opinion - especially when a number of them have since been removed from youtube for whatever reason. If he does want to offer this advice on a professional basis, it would be far better to include information in a signature, and include a warning with posts that stopping any current treatment can be dangerous, and that professional support and advice should be sought in real life. Edit - this was the post I was referring too - http://britishexpats.com/forum/showt...6#post10058186 - I apologise as it doesn't say whether or not the training was taken. Depression affects lots of people and it does tend to be an emotive subject. Stop dressing your bulling passive aggressive behaviour as an apologist and leave the guy alone. He is being nothing but courteous and respectful and is absolutely working within the site rules. You on the other hand are throwing your weight around to impress the tutt tutt brigade :thumbdown: Get a grip. |
Re: Depression / anxiety
Originally Posted by sonlymewalter
(Post 11022571)
He has a right to his opinion just like anyone else and people are not stupid, they can choose to ignore it or take heed if they prefer.
Stop dressing your bulling passive aggressive behaviour as an apologist and leave the guy alone. He is being nothing but courteous and respectful and is absolutely working within the site rules. You on the other hand are throwing your weight around to impress the tutt tutt brigade :thumbdown: Get a grip. Could you please tell me who this tut-tut brigade is that I am supposedly trying to impress. I know that you know I also speak from personal experience on this subject which is perhaps why I feel strongly about it and there are times in this thread and others where the Paul has been less than corteous and allowances have been made because for him too he speaks from personal experience. As for people choosing to ignore or not, as I said, people suffering depression are vulnerable - talk helps, explanations help - lectures don't |
Re: Depression / anxiety
Originally Posted by old.sparkles
(Post 11022593)
I didn't realise I wasn't entitled to my opinions.
Could you please tell me who this tut-tut brigade is that I am supposedly trying to impress. I know that you know I also speak from personal experience on this subject which is perhaps why I feel strongly about it and there are times in this thread and others where the Paul has been less than corteous and allowances have been made because for him too he speaks from personal experience. As for people choosing to ignore or not, as I said, people suffering depression are vulnerable - talk helps, explanations help - lectures don't Quite the opposite - you are telling Paul he's not entitled to his! Stop this passive aggressive behaviour and twisting words round :rolleyes: It doesn't wash with everyone - except of course your mates in the tut tut brigade :p |
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