Originally Posted by IvanM

And cure cancer on 20% less budget.

Originally Posted by chris955

There has been a marked collapse in the moral fabric of all Western countries in the last 20 years or so, we see examples of it every day. Like is said when this happened it has been a wake up call for all nations and let's hope Governments take heed. I am concerned about our completely ineffectual Government but can't see Abbott being any better, they all put it in the too hard basket.

Originally Posted by Amazulu

Looks like your PM, David Cameron, the guy who has to sort this out, agrees with me:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-collapse.html

Originally Posted by Turban Explorer

Abbott's great. I love his 'policy' of the day which he pulls out of his arse each morning.

Originally Posted by Bix

Haha, I reckon you must have penned his speech.

Originally Posted by Amazulu

I should send him an invoice.

Originally Posted by Turban Explorer

At least you can still raise something.

Originally Posted by JoeBloggs80

Plato wrote:

What is happening to our young people? They disrespect their elders, they disobey their parents. They ignore the law. They riot in the streets inflamed with wild notions. Their morals are decaying. What is to become of them?


Socrates wrote:

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in lace of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers


Sound familiar?

This is not a modern problem.

Originally Posted by Amazulu

This post is not intended as a Australia v UK one, although I'm sure many on here will make it so (do what you gotta do haters). Sadly, these riots are a damning indictment of what UK society has become. Too many years of PC government, soft policing, a too liberal judicary, the endless welfare state, multiculturalism, non-integration, the breakdown of the family unit, the lack of respect from a lot of the population, the fact that a career in the UK now requires a degree, the destruction of the working-class. This has bred a generation with no values, no father figures or role models, a dependence on welfare, a lack of respect for the institutions of state, a belief that nothing has to be worked for, nothing to work towards, no ambition, 'what's the point?', a total under-class.

In other words a f**ked up generation.

It's a mess.

Originally Posted by asprilla

I agree with a large part of what you are saying.

I don't agree with your inclusion of multiculturalism/integration in this mix.

The recent riots have certainly magnified the issue at hand. There is an issue right now in the UK, and the govt certainly needs to take action. But in reality, how big is this problem? I would suggest that whilst the riots remain very high profile media items at this point in time, before too long we will examine the incidents more objectively and recognise that the number of crimes committed and individuals involved, is not a high number (relatively speaking).

In terms of Aus v UK - I would be very surprised to see these kind of riots occur in Australia.

This will all spill over to the USA very soon, and I'm sure it will be triggered in a similar fashion.

Originally Posted by Turban Explorer

At least you can still raise something.

Originally Posted by Amazulu

Makita - my power tool? It's like an SDS Max drill on hammer setting.

Originally Posted by Turban Explorer

Golly. Is it self-lubing ?