My mac was one of the cheaper options, no club membership necessary in the offline world .

By necessity we have to leap into the future before all the companies we sell our software to. Having one OS for desk PC's is quite old school and I can't see it lasting. We embrace change before our clients and software as a service renders the client OS largely irrelevant. Customers are also demanding support for a variety of OS's and devices...thankfully the fanboi sheeple accusations are the domain of spurious internet arguments not sensible business people.

Positioning is one thing, but does it really satisfy the shareholders, quarter by quarter ......... better start making some money out of this positioning. All that advertising revenue - not much to show for the positioning.

Spying - who really gives a shite? You run Android, you are getting spied on with every keystroke. So am I with my Android phone.



You obviously missed my revenue breakdown in post 56 - well here it is again from another angle ........ really ..... does the Windows OS provide the bulk of MS revenue???? No. ...... and its getting less and less each year. Windows is just the hook, the money will come from devices. Make some money, buy some shares.

I guess I have become a fan in the last couple of years. But not truly - I run an Android phone. If you actually get past your hatred of all things. Apple, MS, The Liberal Party you may be able to see the light.

Also whilst I'm there, its OK to say "I agree". I do. You aren't Eddie the Expert on everything. That's probably hard to swallow but the fact you throw up dribble graphs to argue your point says to me its all about pride rather than facts.

Many have had no problems with W10, but many have had multiple issues.

My take is that so many of the bugs seem to be random: sometimes a program or W10 itself works fine, the next time it crashes or does something strange. I suspect that during the beta testing there were huge numbers of these random things were reported, couldn't be reproduced on demand and were ignored.

One of a huge number of items on the net about Ten is:
Beware, latest Windows 10 Update may remove programs automatically - gHacks Tech News

If you do install Ten the chances are you won't have a problem, but do make sure you do a full backup first and don't rely on the offered Windows backup:

http://britishexpats.com/forum/lab-9...icidal-868568/

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Amazulu:

*I like W10 but it's trying my patience. It crashed on my Surface Pro 3 and the restore download from MS didn't work. Had to roll in back to W8 and then reinstall W10. I upgraded my main modelling workstation to W10 but one of the main CAD programs that I used is not compatible (not MS's fault - get your shit together Bentley) so I rolled it back to W7 and I guess what? It does everything that I need. It's stable, everything runs on it, it still has Media Center. I'm going to keep W7 on this machine until MS stop supporting it. On the Surface W10 works well and is kind of optimised for tablets but W8.1 does too. Upgrading is a personal choice as there is little to choose between them for most tasks IMO*

There is a hacked version of Media Centre online: I installed it on my W10 laptop and it's exactly like the "real" M$ program. You do however have to run it as admin, there's always a (slight, IMO) chance that the hack has been hacked so one runs it at one's own risk.

Not much to show? 80% of the mobile market?

Realistically they only need one to come good to make the whole work. They'll get at least that.

Yeah, and I'm not happy with the degree of Android spying. However MS are into unforced errors, like that lockscreen advertising.

MS have been trying to hide how dependent on Windows they are, because its unstable. Devices have been a bust (witness Nokia again).

I look from the big picture in. I don't start from the inside out. That's why I've moved away from thinking MS have a future. Whaddayaknow, Gates was key to its success.

I use graphs to point out your claims don't hold water. Maybe you should admit that you WANT certain things to be true?

If MS turned round tomorrow and showed signs that they had worked it out, I'd champion it. Hell, I had great hopes for Surface 1, till they screwed the pooch.

Anyway, here's a prediction. 2016 is the year of VR and AR, and that's the way things are going to move. Care to disagree?

MS have turned around. That's the whole point. Just look at the numbers, don't ignore them and hope Google comes up with an ace card. Ok don't believe me, just look at the investors dumping Apple shares and jumping on MS.

Yes. 2016 is touted as the year for AR and VR. 1st quarter is nearly over. Need it soon. But it is coming for sure then you can wave good bye to the mobile phone. (Pretty sure I said that earlier.)

That's all cool. If it works for you go nuts. Unfortunately a Mac does have the balls to run the stuff I do. Nor will the vendors support a Mac OS.

That said, old school for running one OS. Come off it. The proportion of Mac users hasn't really drifted any further than between 3 and 6% over the past 5 years. Mac is hardly a growth market.

Interesting. I run Bentley AECOsim, Bentley Descartes and Bentley Microstation Connect and all run perfectly on Win 10. I did have a problem with Projectwise and its intergration with MS office files but Bentley released a patch this week and all is fine and dandy.

I've been searching your particular problem but I cannot find anything online. Got a link?

I was working at a company today that has 60 machines on Windows 10. Speaking with the IT dude he says everyone seems happy. Then from nowhere, the machine I was on locked up, Ctrl alt delete did nothing. I sat there for a while, and eventually it all came good. Then it flashed up in the corner that the nVidia driver had failed. I gave the driver an update and didn't have a problem all day. It was a new build machine. I guess the latest updates for nVidia hadn't arrived.

I'm talking about limiting an office to one OS/device. A combination of iPads, Surface Pro's, Macbooks, Mac Mini's, desktop PC's, Android tablets etc all running SAAS in a browser is the future for many.

Many will not run their software locally, it will be running on cloud servers which may be a Linux or Microsoft OS in AWS or Azure or whatever. The grunt is in the cloud. Sure some niche software/industries will take longer to go but the broad brush of enterprise software is heading this way.

Ah yes of course ..... the cloud. Seen the Microsoft growth revenue on Azure? Seen the growth venue on Windows? Chalk and cheese. Hence they've been giving Windows away for a long time. Lock 'em into the platform and the rest will follow. Apple has been doing it for years though, and very successfully in the consumer market. Microsoft locking in the business market. Google doing driveless cars.

Amazon being the market leader of course.

Have YOU seen the figures?



I'm sure MS would love to parley their business desktop space into cloud revenue, but the big boy is still Amazon with little sign that'll change soon. It's interesting to note, cloud for Microsoft is something of a zero sum game. Apps and data move from local MS software instances to cloud instances, losing them revenue from one area as it increases in another - not something Amazon have to worry about.

Microsoft P/E ratio : 37.1
Google P/E ratio : 30.93
Apple P/E ratio : 10.28

So yes, I wouldn't want apple, but given the similar levels of Google and MS, and the better future focus of Google, I know where my money would go.

I await practical demo of Magic Leap and Hololens, together with what Google have been trailing for I/O. I have to say, I think the FoV is going to have to be wide enough for anything to take off.

You don't get it do you Garry. You don't have to be market leader to make money. You just have to grow the revenue base from that sector. And if the whole sector grows, everyone is a winner.