BadgeIsBack

Who reads Grace Collier in the Australian. She exposed the union corruption. Apparently someone was asked to tender but was visited by an union official : who dropped major hints: once the person put forward a enterprise agreement but didn't need the TU they were told their tender wasn't needed after all? How do you read that Ozzie? Why would a trade union need to get involved?

ozzieeagle

Simply put, that penalty rate cut is aimed and targeted at the very poorest workers in the community.... Female weekend workers. Hence the campaign. It will get major support and it will end this government as it's seen as the thin end of the wedge.

In go the Union Storm troopers and they will benefit by media exposure which will enhance their membership.

The major thing that everyone on here seems to be missing, this was so predictable.... It happens every time the Liberals get in power. This full back to their core beliefs of splitting society, to create have's and have's not, is what ends their grip on government.

Anyone thinking that this campaign wont have major and probable majority support doesn't understand the fundamental basic Australian core value of egalitarinism.

It's how the battlers keep up.... by working when their families are supposed to be at home together.


Why the CFMEU....these workers dont have a voice...so send in the "Real Bastards"....


The mass support will come from the realisation that "We're next"

Beoz

You said this before the last election. Did you not learn from the error?

Besides, you talk about "splitting society" then talk about female weekend workers. Isn't that contradictory in itself? What about the males?

What about those who don't have the luxury of working on a Sunday? Those who need to take kids to sport, those who spend it at church. Penalty rates are discriminatory and should be completely scrapped. If businesses can't find the staff to work in Sundays, tough titties, businesses need to be creative and find a way to make it happen.

BadgeIsBack

But the Liberal govt did not set up the Tribunal.half of the Tribunals kingpins are Labour.

And you didn't answer my question about TU trying to swing into something that is none of their business.

And you didn't make any points about TU/ big business cartels.

Why is Shorten even involved in a Trade union : he is a white collar middle class boy? Was we using the TU for his own personal gain? What do the battlers think about that : he got one over on them. Why do TUs need to bully people to join? Shouldn't they be some sort of focus and advocacy group and not for profit? Why do they need large memberships? If they represent everyone don't they need a voice on the right panels?

old.sparkles

In answer to the bit I bolded, rate cuts is everyone's business when it sets to cut the wages of some of the lowest paid workers. If people feel their wages are under threat, then they look to reduce their spending which is a negative cycle and not what is wanted when they are looking to grow the economy.

Additionally, they may be looking to cut rates now for only retail and hospitality workers, but that doesn't mean they will stop there if people remain silent on the attack on wages.

In answer to the first part of your post, it does not matter who set up the tribunal, there results will be recommendations only - they cannot make law. That will be down to the government which is why they are discussing how to implement the change.

Beoz

.... and on the flipside of this, if you cut rates, businesses operating on Sundays can hire more staff or even open when they were previously closed. Your argument is a good point, but should be qualified by the flipside.

BadgeIsBack

I see you highlighted the bit about the trade union but said nothing about trade union corruption!

ozzieeagle

When Labour are in power they only rarely cut workers rights or penalties. The Liberals do this every single time. Hence this issue and the oncoming Union onslaught.

Dress it up with tribunials fog it over with excuses... the fact is the Liberals always attack wages at the lower end of the scale.

Now watch the potentially government changing mass reaction.

Beoz

Or another way of putting it, Labour look after the selfish, the minority, the me me me. Liberals look after the country as a whole.

BTW. Its been said before but we shall say it again. The Libs did not cut the penalty rates.

Beoz

Here's a cracking example of short sighted, dumb arse stuff Labor parties do v long term more strategic stuff Liberal parties do.

The dumb arse Victorian Labor party have just announced cutting stamp duty for first home buyers with a bunch of buts ...... plus also discriminating against those couples earning more than $95000 per year. Apart from the disgusting discrimination, cutting stamp duty does nothing to help supply, it just puts more buyers in the market jacking up prices. Dumb arse.

Meanwhile over in WA, the Liberals want to make it easier for seniors to supply the market with more stock by cutting their stamp duty which has been holding them back selling. Stamp duty holds back both seniors, families and individuals from upsizing and downsizing reducing stock from hitting the market and jacking up prices.

Way to go WA. What a joke Victoria.

GarryP

The strategic problem is that houses have been allowed to rise to silly prices, soaking up money in assets rather than doing something useful with it.

The fix is that the house prices need to fall, by at least half.

However a politician isn't going to do that, since they lose at the next election. I'm certainly not seeing any 'long term more strategic' liberal stuff - when Trunbull failed to address it at the last election, whilst labor did.

Squaring this circle is only really going to be done by taking buyers out of the market and allowing prices to swiftly collapse. And the policies to do that would be to prevent chinese money, cut negative gearing, and control developers much more closely.

Not seeing any of that.

Beoz

You started off so well (in bold) then you just got all caught up in your addiction of hatred.

As you say in the first paragraph money is soaked up in assets, a lot of that is in baby boomer assets. Its time to release those assets which is what the WA government are doing but probably could do more, like releasing the assets investors have. Charging more for land tax for 2 or more investment properties.

What the Victorian government are doing is so short sighted. All they are doing here is jacking up prices and debt further.

Not a lot to do with federal governments. Each region needs to control it for what suits that region.

The tools state governments have is stamp duty and land tax.

GarryP

Oh, I don't think the stamp duty is going to do much - more vote buying than anything. However, that applies to your argument too; it's just the WA state government trying to buy a different set of votes (lib voters tend to be oldsters).

Nope, only fix is to stop houses being an investment, and making them a place to live instead. That's the *strategic* problem. And the strategic fix really has to come from the federal level - and the only party to get even close to talking about it is Labor.

Mind, I don't think they would have worked either. The unfortunate reality is that real estate in Australia (everywhere really) is a bubble held up on sentiment. An unstable situation. If it starts to turn south because the structural game has been changed, it won't go gentle into that good night.

ozzieeagle

Yet it is being tried on once again under their regime....


With union intervention, no penalty rates are going to get cut. It will still be seen as a typical thing that happens when the Liberals are in power. Like I said and everyone knows and expects, attacks on the lower end of the labour market every time the Liberals get into power.

Work choices ad nauseam,

Workers rights eroded.

Beoz

Nope. Simple economics 101. Its all about stock. These new build apartment highrise are useless. The only people who want them are chinese and investors.

In case you didn't know, the Federal government look after federal things. Therefore if apartment over supply hits Brisbane but not Sydney, you want investors in the Brisbane market. The federal government have no jurisdiction to place a mandate on Sydney but not Brisbane.

Its a state problem. The states need to be in control and as I mentioned earlier the states could be doing more by increasing land tax on those who have 2 or more investment properties. The states governments would benefit. They could receive more land tax income from investors who choose to keep 2 or more, or if investors start selling, there will be more stock to buy, more stock equals more stamp duty. Its a win win for everyone except for the investor who owns 2 or more investments.

Stock also needs to come from those upsizing and down sizing. Why move when it could cost you $50,000 in stamp duty. Good start there by the WA government reducing the stamp duty to get more stock on the market, getting the market moving.

Pretty simple Gazza.