Bye bye Liberal Government..... will you ever learn.
Jul 11th 2016, 7:52 am
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The tribute near the trades hall in Carlton celebrating the 8 hour day, 8 hour play, 8 hour rest fought for by the unions.
This is such an ingrained aspect of Australian culture, that it's going to take a hell of a lot of shifting. It's also one of the main reasons why Australia is one of the most egalitarian societies in the world.
All down to the Union movement.
It's a proud heritage and definitely worth fighting for.
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Jul 11th 2016, 8:16 am
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http://www.thecollectormm.com.au/gal...es/8Hours2.jpg
The tribute near the trades hall in Carlton celebrating the 8 hour day, 8 hour play, 8 hour rest fought for by the unions.
This is such an ingrained aspect of Australian culture, that it's going to take a hell of a lot of shifting. It's also one of the main reasons why Australia is one of the most egalitarian societies in the world.
All down to the Union movement.
It's a proud heritage and definitely worth fighting for.
http://applications.doi.vic.gov.au/I...ll.jpg/vhr.jpg
The tribute near the trades hall in Carlton celebrating the 8 hour day, 8 hour play, 8 hour rest fought for by the unions.
This is such an ingrained aspect of Australian culture, that it's going to take a hell of a lot of shifting. It's also one of the main reasons why Australia is one of the most egalitarian societies in the world.
All down to the Union movement.
It's a proud heritage and definitely worth fighting for.
http://applications.doi.vic.gov.au/I...ll.jpg/vhr.jpg
Democracy at work
The same will happen here - but our current government doesn't have the guts. One in the future will though
Jul 11th 2016, 8:18 am
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It's 100 pct part of the Australian culture, and it's all the better for it. Proof being that even right wingers here support unions.... especially in the Bush.
Jul 11th 2016, 8:19 am
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It's the Unions negotiating with the powers that be that set up the guidlines and award system in the first place. Turnbull just lost his mandate to muck around with the award system courtesy of right wing independants Katter and Hanson not supporting his changes.
Of course I care about Australia as a whole, being in a union and supporting Australia go hand in hand as far as I'm concerned. More so than big business that pays as little tax as they can carefully avoid.
Not sure where you get the me me me from either.... The unions negotiate EBA's on behalf of everyone in industries covered by awards, whether they are in unions or not.
Even you can see what would happen if we didn't have the protection of the union fought awards surely ?
Of course I care about Australia as a whole, being in a union and supporting Australia go hand in hand as far as I'm concerned. More so than big business that pays as little tax as they can carefully avoid.
Not sure where you get the me me me from either.... The unions negotiate EBA's on behalf of everyone in industries covered by awards, whether they are in unions or not.
Even you can see what would happen if we didn't have the protection of the union fought awards surely ?
Ok so the unions negotiated you a pay rise. Well .... really .... and that's it. They should be negotiating profit share, share holdings, etc. They should be adding value to both you and the business you work for. This is where the unions of Australia are falling short and not providing the best value to both parties. No wonder unions have dwindled to 20% of workers.
Lets hope it wasn't the same union that negotiated pay reductions for Coles workers .. ho ho ho.
Just like you, business will pay the minimum amount of tax required. That's the way it rolls my friend. Humans (and big business are humans) don't pay more for things unless of course you are incredibly stupid.
Now the real question here is who is controlling the amount paid. I think you'll find law changes in the past 6 months or so changed what is payable.
Again you may have been drinking the BS kool aid on that topic, and may believe all multi-nationals in this country pay no tax, bit like the BS - BS on medicare.
Lets hope the ABCC legislation gets back on the table. Some of those actions really help control the corrupt and illegal actions of unions.
Jul 11th 2016, 8:21 am
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Hope this helps as your right wing friend says - a billionaire who can see the need for unions:
Why We Need Unions | Big Think
"Destroying unions would be a mistake. By representing workers, labor unions serve a key function both in our economy and our politics. As Bloomberg says, unions “play a vital role in protecting against abuses in the workplace, and in my experience they are integral to training, deploying and managing a professional work force.” And, as I have written before, the concessions unions have won in the past—like workplace safety rules and the eight-hour day—ultimately benefit everyone by ensuring that the people who do the work live decently, and that American prosperity does not come at the expense of ordinary citizens."
Why We Need Unions | Big Think
"Destroying unions would be a mistake. By representing workers, labor unions serve a key function both in our economy and our politics. As Bloomberg says, unions “play a vital role in protecting against abuses in the workplace, and in my experience they are integral to training, deploying and managing a professional work force.” And, as I have written before, the concessions unions have won in the past—like workplace safety rules and the eight-hour day—ultimately benefit everyone by ensuring that the people who do the work live decently, and that American prosperity does not come at the expense of ordinary citizens."
In Vic, the firefighter Union has stepped in and is basically trying to get rid of vols which saves millions : why would they bother when CFA vols don't even get paid not ask for it? Bet it has something to do with revenue, power and politics. Nothing to do with worker's rights. Imagine having to insist that 7 fire fighters need to turn up to a country station to get a truck out...
Jul 11th 2016, 8:33 am
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http://www.thecollectormm.com.au/gal...es/8Hours2.jpg
The tribute near the trades hall in Carlton celebrating the 8 hour day, 8 hour play, 8 hour rest fought for by the unions.
This is such an ingrained aspect of Australian culture, that it's going to take a hell of a lot of shifting. It's also one of the main reasons why Australia is one of the most egalitarian societies in the world.
All down to the Union movement.
It's a proud heritage and definitely worth fighting for.
http://applications.doi.vic.gov.au/I...ll.jpg/vhr.jpg
The tribute near the trades hall in Carlton celebrating the 8 hour day, 8 hour play, 8 hour rest fought for by the unions.
This is such an ingrained aspect of Australian culture, that it's going to take a hell of a lot of shifting. It's also one of the main reasons why Australia is one of the most egalitarian societies in the world.
All down to the Union movement.
It's a proud heritage and definitely worth fighting for.
http://applications.doi.vic.gov.au/I...ll.jpg/vhr.jpg
You were selling it so well in your last post, then to destroy it with laziness and mediocrity.
Jul 11th 2016, 8:45 am
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More concerned about growth in revenue, not the employment rate or the economy. If you were a business owner, you'd be trying to maximise revenue whilst minimising expenditure at all times.
The divide between rich and poor is growing. Amazing that you would suggest otherwise. Also, those services such as schools etc are paid for by the middle class far more than anyone else above or below.
Show us the proof that corporate tax cuts result in a stronger economy.
The divide between rich and poor is growing. Amazing that you would suggest otherwise. Also, those services such as schools etc are paid for by the middle class far more than anyone else above or below.
Show us the proof that corporate tax cuts result in a stronger economy.
Actually the middle class don't pay for schools. The middle class have the biggest burden proportionally on the salaries, but the wealthy pay the most tax. In fact 26% of all tax is paid by the top 2%.
At the end of the 19th century more than 25% of the population in the UK were living at or below subsistence level. The wealth gap is getting less and most importantly, less people are poor.
Hope this helps.
Jul 11th 2016, 8:46 am
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Not sure how your going to pay profit sharing to Nurses, Police, Ambo's and public transport workers.... All of whom stand to lose out massively if the award protection is scrapped.
Sure things will change over time.... but Aus will be one of the last countries to go through that process..... Plus Australians will still maintain one of the highest standards of living along the way.
I fear the change you moot will begin the start of an us and them society though. So it's a sad future that awaits for a huge portion of todays workers that are currently doing well.
Right pre work nap beckons, before I go off to my 30pct penalty rated shift and most likely the 50 pct plus tax free meal allowance hour or so OT in the morning. All sanctioned and dealt with in the last EBA agreement between the CEPU and Aus Post covering all workers at Post... with the spin off applying to other logistical industries.
Sure things will change over time.... but Aus will be one of the last countries to go through that process..... Plus Australians will still maintain one of the highest standards of living along the way.
I fear the change you moot will begin the start of an us and them society though. So it's a sad future that awaits for a huge portion of todays workers that are currently doing well.
Right pre work nap beckons, before I go off to my 30pct penalty rated shift and most likely the 50 pct plus tax free meal allowance hour or so OT in the morning. All sanctioned and dealt with in the last EBA agreement between the CEPU and Aus Post covering all workers at Post... with the spin off applying to other logistical industries.
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Jul 11th 2016, 8:48 am
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Maybe maybe : but why all the politics ?
In Vic, the firefighter Union has stepped in and is basically trying to get rid of vols which saves millions : why would they bother when CFA vols don't even get paid not ask for it? Bet it has something to do with revenue, power and politics. Nothing to do with worker's rights. Imagine having to insist that 7 fire fighters need to turn up to a country station to get a truck out...
In Vic, the firefighter Union has stepped in and is basically trying to get rid of vols which saves millions : why would they bother when CFA vols don't even get paid not ask for it? Bet it has something to do with revenue, power and politics. Nothing to do with worker's rights. Imagine having to insist that 7 fire fighters need to turn up to a country station to get a truck out...
Politics? Liberals, Conservatives etc represent business; Labour (Labour) traditionally represent the work force. Simple.
Jul 11th 2016, 8:53 am
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Maybe maybe : but why all the politics ?
In Vic, the firefighter Union has stepped in and is basically trying to get rid of vols which saves millions : why would they bother when CFA vols don't even get paid not ask for it? Bet it has something to do with revenue, power and politics. Nothing to do with worker's rights. Imagine having to insist that 7 fire fighters need to turn up to a country station to get a truck out...
In Vic, the firefighter Union has stepped in and is basically trying to get rid of vols which saves millions : why would they bother when CFA vols don't even get paid not ask for it? Bet it has something to do with revenue, power and politics. Nothing to do with worker's rights. Imagine having to insist that 7 fire fighters need to turn up to a country station to get a truck out...
It's supposed to be 32 outer urban stations that are affected only, with a formula in place for Melbournes spread....AFAIK that is. It's been a terrible dispute and one that has shone a bad light on the Union movement thats for sure.
When I try to talk to our outer urban people about this situation, I get 90 pct emotion and 10 pct fact. So I'm not sure at all on the detail, It does seem very complicated to me.
Jul 11th 2016, 8:59 am
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Not sure how your going to pay profit sharing to Nurses, Police, Ambo's and public transport workers.... All of whom stand to lose out massively if the award protection is scrapped.
Sure things will change over time.... but Aus will be one of the last countries to go through that process..... Plus Australians will still maintain one of the highest standards of living along the way.
Sure things will change over time.... but Aus will be one of the last countries to go through that process..... Plus Australians will still maintain one of the highest standards of living along the way.
I fear the change you moot will begin the start of an us and them society though. So it's a sad future that awaits for a huge portion of todays workers that are currently doing well.
Right pre work nap beckons, before I go off to my 30pct penalty rated shift and most likely the 50 pct plus tax free meal allowance hour or so OT in the morning. All sanctioned and dealt with in the last EBA agreement between the CEPU and Aus Post covering all workers at Post... with the spin off applying to other logistical industries.
Right pre work nap beckons, before I go off to my 30pct penalty rated shift and most likely the 50 pct plus tax free meal allowance hour or so OT in the morning. All sanctioned and dealt with in the last EBA agreement between the CEPU and Aus Post covering all workers at Post... with the spin off applying to other logistical industries.
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Jul 11th 2016, 9:02 am
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Multi's don't pay tax, rich people don't pay tax, poor people support the wealthy ...... all hog wash of course.
Jul 11th 2016, 9:04 am
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Oh dear Nige. Growth and revenue add jobs. Jobs don't magically appear.
Actually the middle class don't pay for schools. The middle class have the biggest burden proportionally on the salaries, but the wealthy pay the most tax. In fact 26% of all tax is paid by the top 2%.
At the end of the 19th century more than 25% of the population in the UK were living at or below subsistence level. The wealth gap is getting less and most importantly, less people are poor.
Hope this helps.
Actually the middle class don't pay for schools. The middle class have the biggest burden proportionally on the salaries, but the wealthy pay the most tax. In fact 26% of all tax is paid by the top 2%.
At the end of the 19th century more than 25% of the population in the UK were living at or below subsistence level. The wealth gap is getting less and most importantly, less people are poor.
Hope this helps.
There is really no point in arguing this with you as you're just determined to have the last word, you're even prepared to not make any sense to get it.
Jul 11th 2016, 9:05 am
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And you're about to show us the facts to prove it....
Jul 11th 2016, 9:06 am
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Just explain the difference between a person who wants to improve the profits, dividends, rent and interest they receive and a person who wants to improve their wages and salaries or working conditions? In short, whether you are the factor of production capital or the factor of production labour you want the best for you and your family and your mates.