Bye bye Liberal Government..... will you ever learn.
Jul 11th 2016, 12:23 am
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Re: Bye bye Liberal Government..... will you ever learn.
The cost of doing business doesn't just come down to tax as it's not even that high. Rent is ridiculously high, importation of goods is expensive and slow, exportation is also slow. But let's be honest, you think that there should be a tax cut as well as a cut to penalty rates. You seem to believe that you see the bigger picture but you fail to see the cost to full time employment that would arise from handing over these cuts to corporations. If we want large corporations to create more jobs, we should get something in print to guarantee it. If these corporations are not expanding because of the cost, they should prove it, instead of having the government to do it for them.
Very much so. It is flawed thought from those sprouting a tax cut creates more jobs. It creates more wealth for overseas share holders and improves the corporates bottom line maybe but does little else.
Obviously if banks and the like are offered conditions akin to the City of London, a major world centre where money can be laundered with considerable ease by removing checks and regulations, interest may well bloom. Not the sort of environment many would necessary welcome though.
Jul 11th 2016, 12:28 am
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The question should be asked why are you so in favour of foreign share holders gaining ever more profit while the nation loses out on tens of billions in revenue.
Are you secretly hoping for an uprising of the masses as conditions become too challenging? Wrong country I'm afraid try elsewhere. I guess the bags must be pretty closed to being packed for NZ now? When's the move?
Are you secretly hoping for an uprising of the masses as conditions become too challenging? Wrong country I'm afraid try elsewhere. I guess the bags must be pretty closed to being packed for NZ now? When's the move?
So your focus is on what foreign share holders gain but ignoring the benefits to Australia - again this smacks of resentment.
The ALP don't have enough seats in parliament to do enough damage to the economy for me to do a runner to NZ ......
Jul 11th 2016, 12:29 am
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The question is, who holds the cards here. The answer certainly isn't unions.
The corps, make things, sell things, service things, distribute things, in turn make money, money distributes through out the economy, employing people, who are taxed, providing for us all.
Unions do none of the above and therefore become a burden for the creators. Unions are the destroyers.
Unions could become part of the creation process but while they are still fixated on destruction, the old skool mentality, they continue to waste away.
The corps, make things, sell things, service things, distribute things, in turn make money, money distributes through out the economy, employing people, who are taxed, providing for us all.
Unions do none of the above and therefore become a burden for the creators. Unions are the destroyers.
Unions could become part of the creation process but while they are still fixated on destruction, the old skool mentality, they continue to waste away.
Unions as I have witnessed of late do in fact ensure the letter of employment law is carried out and entitlements are paid and people can stand a better chance during cases of retrenchment being able to economically survive.
Your desire to turn the population into 19th serfs is well noted just as it is flawed and no longer regarded as viable policy by the majority of the population.
Jul 11th 2016, 12:35 am
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That's just it without proper controls over taxation the money doesn't flow and government is forced to tighten belts.
Unions as I have witnessed of late do in fact ensure the letter of employment law is carried out and entitlements are paid and people can stand a better chance during cases of retrenchment being able to economically survive.
Your desire to turn the population into 19th serfs is well noted just as it is flawed and no longer regarded as viable policy by the majority of the population.
Unions as I have witnessed of late do in fact ensure the letter of employment law is carried out and entitlements are paid and people can stand a better chance during cases of retrenchment being able to economically survive.
Your desire to turn the population into 19th serfs is well noted just as it is flawed and no longer regarded as viable policy by the majority of the population.
19th century serfs along with their communist poverty riddled cousins demonstrate how today's capitalist market has closed the gap on rich and poor, where the poor are in far less numbers and are well supported by the rich.
But if you really want to head back to that place keep peddling the rubbish.
Jul 11th 2016, 12:44 am
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So effectively you are saying we don't want to tap into the global money pool. You want Australia to become its economic island. Should we all become subsistence farmers?
So your focus is on what foreign share holders gain but ignoring the benefits to Australia - again this smacks of resentment.
The ALP don't have enough seats in parliament to do enough damage to the economy for me to do a runner to NZ ......
So your focus is on what foreign share holders gain but ignoring the benefits to Australia - again this smacks of resentment.
The ALP don't have enough seats in parliament to do enough damage to the economy for me to do a runner to NZ ......
European thought has long pointed at the Anglo Saxon model as not the way to go and has been largely successful in the northern lands at combining capitalism which maintains a distinct face, not the flesh eating variety you and your mate on here push.
Thank goodness the Coalition happened the numbers to do untold and probably irreparable damage to this country.
Jul 11th 2016, 12:49 am
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Their are laws governing retrenchment. Did you not know?
19th century serfs along with their communist poverty riddled cousins demonstrate how today's capitalist market has closed the gap on rich and poor, where the poor are in far less numbers and are well supported by the rich.
But if you really want to head back to that place keep peddling the rubbish.
19th century serfs along with their communist poverty riddled cousins demonstrate how today's capitalist market has closed the gap on rich and poor, where the poor are in far less numbers and are well supported by the rich.
But if you really want to head back to that place keep peddling the rubbish.
There actually, but I'm no grammar nazi. There are indeed laws and as I conveyed thank goodness the Union was in place to ensure entitlements the other week as the Board was adamant at first with regards their position until confronted with the reality of the law. Such things are highly infuriating to business of course .
Jul 11th 2016, 12:52 am
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Globalisation has shown to be flawed. The recent UK vote regarding exit pointed strongly in that direction although the blame was misdirected to an extent as flawed British policy over decades had been responsible.
European thought has long pointed at the Anglo Saxon model as not the way to go and has been largely successful in the northern lands at combining capitalism which maintains a distinct face, not the flesh eating variety you and your mate on here push.
European thought has long pointed at the Anglo Saxon model as not the way to go and has been largely successful in the northern lands at combining capitalism which maintains a distinct face, not the flesh eating variety you and your mate on here push.
So Britain should have never joined the EU in the first place?
New Zealand awaits you. Or maybe Britain - if they evoke the Article 50 and pull back from globalisation
Jul 11th 2016, 12:55 am
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I guess gold medals are few are far between out on the plaas. Heck man, when they are wanting volunteers to hang the non compliant plebs from the lamp polls I'll be certain to put your name forward.
Jul 11th 2016, 12:56 am
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There actually, but I'm no grammar nazi. There are indeed laws and as I conveyed thank goodness the Union was in place to ensure entitlements the other week as the Board was adamant at first with regards their position until confronted with the reality of the law. Such things are highly infuriating to business of course .
There's plenty of documentation around - here is a good starting point - https://www.fairwork.gov.au/ending-e...ent/redundancy
Jul 11th 2016, 1:03 am
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Globalisation has shown to be flawed? Wow - OK. Got any evidence of that or do we just need to put our trust in you?
So Britain should have never joined the EU in the first place?
New Zealand awaits you. Or maybe Britain - if they evoke the Article 50 and pull back from globalisation
So Britain should have never joined the EU in the first place?
New Zealand awaits you. Or maybe Britain - if they evoke the Article 50 and pull back from globalisation
I guess you've been living in a vacuum of denial. The evidence is everywhere on the world scene. Even apologists for the flawed creed admit mistakes were made in not being more inclusive. Darn democracy at one time the masses are stirred from apathy and begin to question the fairness of it all. Tax cuts only for those earning over $80,000. Come on really keep up.
Britain was never fully a paid up member in disposition, De Gaulle was certainly right in his perceptions of British involvement. But I believe agitators are healthy on any side and most of al Britain is a European country and should have a voice from within.
Jul 11th 2016, 1:09 am
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So you pay on going fee's just so a union can point out the law in the event of a retrenchment. Wow again ...... wow.
There's plenty of documentation around - here is a good starting point - https://www.fairwork.gov.au/ending-e...ent/redundancy
There's plenty of documentation around - here is a good starting point - https://www.fairwork.gov.au/ending-e...ent/redundancy
Try doing it without before making such comments. Unions are a natural part of the environment. I'm sure you don't hold a similar grievance towards Chamber of Commerce that speaks out on behalf of business and represents then in the case of a tribunal. Or the medical profession having the AMA and so on. What is it with you and the rights of the ordinary common people?
Jul 11th 2016, 1:10 am
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I guess you've been living in a vacuum of denial. The evidence is everywhere on the world scene. Even apologists for the flawed creed admit mistakes were made in not being more inclusive. Darn democracy at one time the masses are stirred from apathy and begin to question the fairness of it all. Tax cuts only for those earning over $80,000. Come on really keep up.
Britain was never fully a paid up member in disposition, De Gaulle was certainly right in his perceptions of British involvement. But I believe agitators are healthy on any side and most of al Britain is a European country and should have a voice from within.
Britain was never fully a paid up member in disposition, De Gaulle was certainly right in his perceptions of British involvement. But I believe agitators are healthy on any side and most of al Britain is a European country and should have a voice from within.
Yes you've heard of bracket creep haven't you?
Those under the average already get some amazing tax savings and incentives ....... do keep up.
Jul 11th 2016, 1:12 am
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Try doing it without before making such comments. Unions are a natural part of the environment. I'm sure you don't hold a similar grievance towards Chamber of Commerce that speaks out on behalf of business and represents then in the case of a tribunal. Or the medical profession having the AMA and so on. What is it with you and the rights of the ordinary common people?
Jul 11th 2016, 3:32 am
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You've been told and told and told about this. This is why and it's the unions that are sorting it, bringing it to the authorities attention and taking it to court.
If there were no unions, 1,000,000's of workers would be exploited for absolute sure. Employers just cannot be trusted not to have a watchdog.
More parcel drivers come forward to claim underpayment by Australia Post contractors - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Thousands of workers underpaid, denied entitlements by Australian employers figures show - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
http://www.afr.com/news/policy/indus...0150624-ghw5n2
http://www.smh.com.au/business/workp...28-gja276.html
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Jul 11th 2016, 3:35 am
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All very well for you to want to put something in print. No sensible business owner would. They want business to be cheaper (and will not be happy at any cost to them) but will not commit to reinvesting those savings into jobs. It's more likely for small business to create these jobs. No sense in looking to banks or tech companies to do it. They have the means to expand already.
Go and have a look at what the projected growth is likely to be after these propose tax cuts to business. It's a lot of money lost for a potential tiny gain. In truth, it's deliberate funnelling of tax income to large business.
And you look ridiculous when you keep saying 'me me me' or 'BS'.