Britain is going to re-elect this?
Mar 7th 2010 | 5:16 pm
#77
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Re: Britain is going to re-elect this?
DAMNING reports on the state of the National Health Service, suppressed by the government, reveal how patients’ needs have been neglected. They diagnose a blind pursuit of political and managerial targets as the root cause of a string of hospital scandals that have cost thousands of lives.
The harsh verdict on the state of the NHS, after a spending splurge under Labour between 2000 and 2008, raises worrying questions about the future quality of the health service as budgets are squeezed.
One report, based on the advice of almost 200 top managers and doctors, says hospitals ignored basic hygiene to cram in patients to meet waiting-time targets. It says “several interviewees†cited the Maidstone and Tunbridge Wells [NHS Trust in Kent where 269 deaths during 2005-6 were caused by infection with Clostridium difficile bacteria].
“Managers crowded in patients in order to meet waiting-time targets and, in the process, lost sight of the fundamental hygiene requirements for infection prevention,†the report stated.
There were subsequent failings at health trusts in Basildon in Essex, and Mid Staffordshire. Filthy wards and nurse shortages led to up to 1,200 deaths at Stafford hospital. Lord Darzi, the former health minister, commissioned the three reports from international consultancies to assess the progress of the NHS as it approached its 60th anniversary in 2008. They have come to light after a freedom of information request.
(Source).The harsh verdict on the state of the NHS, after a spending splurge under Labour between 2000 and 2008, raises worrying questions about the future quality of the health service as budgets are squeezed.
One report, based on the advice of almost 200 top managers and doctors, says hospitals ignored basic hygiene to cram in patients to meet waiting-time targets. It says “several interviewees†cited the Maidstone and Tunbridge Wells [NHS Trust in Kent where 269 deaths during 2005-6 were caused by infection with Clostridium difficile bacteria].
“Managers crowded in patients in order to meet waiting-time targets and, in the process, lost sight of the fundamental hygiene requirements for infection prevention,†the report stated.
There were subsequent failings at health trusts in Basildon in Essex, and Mid Staffordshire. Filthy wards and nurse shortages led to up to 1,200 deaths at Stafford hospital. Lord Darzi, the former health minister, commissioned the three reports from international consultancies to assess the progress of the NHS as it approached its 60th anniversary in 2008. They have come to light after a freedom of information request.
I know the NHS is not in good shape, but this simply beggars belief.
Mar 7th 2010 | 5:20 pm
#78
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Re: Britain is going to re-elect this?
Let's imagine the size of the electorate in the UK is 40 million people.
And since 1997 1.5 million immigrants have been granted British citizenship...and we'll go along with the Daily Mail version of events - so they're all bludging, benefit claiming, gravy train riding, swan eating gypsies. All of them. And despite that, and in order that the gravy train continues they'll dutifully turn out and vote for Gordon - all of them, 100%.
Now according to some the vast majority of, let's call them indigenous British people are so outraged about this influx of immigrants. So outraged that they'll sit at home on polling day and let about 4% of the electorate hand power back to a government which, expect for that 4% is otherwise universally despised?
And this was Labour's masterplan for eternal government?
Erm, I'm not convinced.
Mar 7th 2010 | 5:21 pm
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Re: Britain is going to re-elect this?
[indent]DAMNING reports on the state of the National Health Service, suppressed by the government, reveal how patients’ needs have been neglected. They diagnose a blind pursuit of political and managerial targets as the root cause of a string of hospital scandals that have cost thousands of lives.
(Source).
I know the NHS is not in good shape, but this simply beggars belief.
(Source).
I know the NHS is not in good shape, but this simply beggars belief.
Mar 7th 2010 | 5:34 pm
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Re: Britain is going to re-elect this?
I can never understand the logic behind the supposed conspiracy.
Let's imagine the size of the electorate in the UK is 40 million people.
And since 1997 1.5 million immigrants have been granted British citizenship...and we'll go along with the Daily Mail version of events - so they're all bludging, benefit claiming, gravy train riding, swan eating gypsies. All of them. And despite that, and in order that the gravy train continues they'll dutifully turn out and vote for Gordon - all of them, 100%.
Now according to some the vast majority of, let's call them indigenous British people are so outraged about this influx of immigrants. So outraged that they'll sit at home on polling day and let about 4% of the electorate hand power back to a government which, expect for that 4% is otherwise universally despised?
And this was Labour's masterplan for eternal government?
Erm, I'm not convinced.
Let's imagine the size of the electorate in the UK is 40 million people.
And since 1997 1.5 million immigrants have been granted British citizenship...and we'll go along with the Daily Mail version of events - so they're all bludging, benefit claiming, gravy train riding, swan eating gypsies. All of them. And despite that, and in order that the gravy train continues they'll dutifully turn out and vote for Gordon - all of them, 100%.
Now according to some the vast majority of, let's call them indigenous British people are so outraged about this influx of immigrants. So outraged that they'll sit at home on polling day and let about 4% of the electorate hand power back to a government which, expect for that 4% is otherwise universally despised?
And this was Labour's masterplan for eternal government?
Erm, I'm not convinced.
Mar 7th 2010 | 5:58 pm
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Re: Britain is going to re-elect this?
I can never understand the logic behind the supposed conspiracy.
Let's imagine the size of the electorate in the UK is 40 million people.
And since 1997 1.5 million immigrants have been granted British citizenship...and we'll go along with the Daily Mail version of events - so they're all bludging, benefit claiming, gravy train riding, swan eating gypsies. All of them. And despite that, and in order that the gravy train continues they'll dutifully turn out and vote for Gordon - all of them, 100%.
Now according to some the vast majority of, let's call them indigenous British people are so outraged about this influx of immigrants. So outraged that they'll sit at home on polling day and let about 4% of the electorate hand power back to a government which, expect for that 4% is otherwise universally despised?
And this was Labour's masterplan for eternal government?
Erm, I'm not convinced.
Let's imagine the size of the electorate in the UK is 40 million people.
And since 1997 1.5 million immigrants have been granted British citizenship...and we'll go along with the Daily Mail version of events - so they're all bludging, benefit claiming, gravy train riding, swan eating gypsies. All of them. And despite that, and in order that the gravy train continues they'll dutifully turn out and vote for Gordon - all of them, 100%.
Now according to some the vast majority of, let's call them indigenous British people are so outraged about this influx of immigrants. So outraged that they'll sit at home on polling day and let about 4% of the electorate hand power back to a government which, expect for that 4% is otherwise universally despised?
And this was Labour's masterplan for eternal government?
Erm, I'm not convinced.
As Andrew Neather put it "a driving political purpose"
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Pol...00910415414170
Mar 7th 2010 | 7:50 pm
#82
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Re: Britain is going to re-elect this?
Didn't they effectively admit that the latest wave of migration to the UK was encouraged to serve a political end, more than any economic need?
As Andrew Neather put it "a driving political purpose"
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Pol...00910415414170
As Andrew Neather put it "a driving political purpose"
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Pol...00910415414170
The Right see plots everywhere and will hyperventilate at the drop of a chapati: to judge by some of the rubbish published in the past few days, it's frankly not hard to see why ministers were nervous.
Mar 7th 2010 | 8:46 pm
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Mar 8th 2010 | 8:35 am
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Re: Britain is going to re-elect this?
I can never understand the logic behind the supposed conspiracy.
Let's imagine the size of the electorate in the UK is 40 million people.
And since 1997 1.5 million immigrants have been granted British citizenship...and we'll go along with the Daily Mail version of events - so they're all bludging, benefit claiming, gravy train riding, swan eating gypsies. All of them. And despite that, and in order that the gravy train continues they'll dutifully turn out and vote for Gordon - all of them, 100%.
Now according to some the vast majority of, let's call them indigenous British people are so outraged about this influx of immigrants. So outraged that they'll sit at home on polling day and let about 4% of the electorate hand power back to a government which, expect for that 4% is otherwise universally despised?
And this was Labour's masterplan for eternal government?
Erm, I'm not convinced.
Let's imagine the size of the electorate in the UK is 40 million people.
And since 1997 1.5 million immigrants have been granted British citizenship...and we'll go along with the Daily Mail version of events - so they're all bludging, benefit claiming, gravy train riding, swan eating gypsies. All of them. And despite that, and in order that the gravy train continues they'll dutifully turn out and vote for Gordon - all of them, 100%.
Now according to some the vast majority of, let's call them indigenous British people are so outraged about this influx of immigrants. So outraged that they'll sit at home on polling day and let about 4% of the electorate hand power back to a government which, expect for that 4% is otherwise universally despised?
And this was Labour's masterplan for eternal government?
Erm, I'm not convinced.
However during the last election I roughly calculated that about 600,000 people are swing voters who can affect the outcome of the election. One of the newspapers at the time put it at 400,000. If this is true then between 1% and 1.5% of the actual voters affect the flavour of the next government.
What is wrong with the masterplan is that there is nothing to suggest that immigrants will vote Labour.
Last edited by MartinLuther; Mar 8th 2010 at 8:38 am.
Mar 8th 2010 | 9:26 am
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"According to research conducted for the Electoral Commission in 2005, the ethnic communities vote heavily in favour of Labour. Labour gets about 80 per cent support from the African and Caribbean vote, compared with 2-3 per cent for the Conservatives. For Asian voters, it is about 50 per cent to 10 per cent"
Just most of them.
Just most of them.
Mar 8th 2010 | 9:33 am
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"It was done to destroy for ever what it means to be culturally British and to put another 'multicultural' identity in its place. And it was done without telling or asking the British people whether they wanted their country and their culture to be transformed in this way."
That's a quote from journalist Melanie Phillips.
It's a very fair point. If the Labour party really did think that mass migration was 'good' for the UK why didn't they stand up and tell people what they planned to do.
Surely if it was so great, people would have accepted the idea.... Australia excepts the fact that it needs migrants... why not the UK?. Maybe the people of the UK don't believe they need any more people?.
That's a quote from journalist Melanie Phillips.
It's a very fair point. If the Labour party really did think that mass migration was 'good' for the UK why didn't they stand up and tell people what they planned to do.
Surely if it was so great, people would have accepted the idea.... Australia excepts the fact that it needs migrants... why not the UK?. Maybe the people of the UK don't believe they need any more people?.
Mar 8th 2010 | 9:37 am
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"According to research conducted for the Electoral Commission in 2005, the ethnic communities vote heavily in favour of Labour. Labour gets about 80 per cent support from the African and Caribbean vote, compared with 2-3 per cent for the Conservatives. For Asian voters, it is about 50 per cent to 10 per cent"
Just most of them.
Just most of them.
I suspect Indians would predominantly vote Tory. Possibly 90% from your quote.
So most of them really only applies to Caribbeans and Africans. Although I suspect most Saffas would vote Tory.
Mar 8th 2010 | 9:43 am
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Re: Britain is going to re-elect this?
"It was done to destroy for ever what it means to be culturally British and to put another 'multicultural' identity in its place. And it was done without telling or asking the British people whether they wanted their country and their culture to be transformed in this way."
That's a quote from journalist Melanie Phillips.
It's a very fair point. If the Labour party really did think that mass migration was 'good' for the UK why didn't they stand up and tell people what they planned to do.
Surely if it was so great, people would have accepted the idea.... Australia excepts the fact that it needs migrants... why not the UK?. Maybe the people of the UK don't believe they need any more people?.
That's a quote from journalist Melanie Phillips.
It's a very fair point. If the Labour party really did think that mass migration was 'good' for the UK why didn't they stand up and tell people what they planned to do.
Surely if it was so great, people would have accepted the idea.... Australia excepts the fact that it needs migrants... why not the UK?. Maybe the people of the UK don't believe they need any more people?.
I think the British cultural identity was destroyed more by intra-UK division than immigration.
Last edited by MartinLuther; Mar 8th 2010 at 9:47 am.
