If I present any facts on that, it will be because I'm a racist... if the apologists present anything it will be to say that the question is irrelevant because of their past/poverty/social conditions/persecution*... so just one figure

"indigenous adults were 13 times more likely to be imprisoned than their non-indigenous counterparts and indigenous juveniles were 28 times more likely to be put in detention"

Draw your own conclusions from that.


(* feel free to add any other excuse you can think of)

Could it be that blacks are imprisoned over whites due to prejudice, especially where there is a large likelihood that those handing down the sentences are most likely to be white?

I want facts mate.

Is it correct that there are proportionatly more crimes committed by

a) white people?
b) Aborigine people?

Think of old programmes like "Love Thy Neighbour" and "Till Death Us Do Part" and you'll get a good idea of the Australian attitude towards Aborigines. Basically it's similar to the 70-80s British attitude towards black people.

Here we go - I can answer my own question here http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected]?opendocument

Quote:
As at 31 December 2008, the proportion of persons aged 10 years and over who were Indigenous were as follows:

Northern Territory - 28%;
Queensland - 3%;
New South Wales - 2%; and
South Australia - 2%.

In summary it looks like there are less black offenders than white. This fig does not however state the proportion in relation to black to white ratio.

Maybe ABCDiamond knows he answer

I like that.

Keel

LOL, that's a joke, right? Around here, you are more likely to be let off without penalty because of your poor ubringing because you are a black fella.

Thats the conclusion you draw. I havent said at any point that there isnt a problem with crime or violence in aboriginal communities. Quite the contrary in fact. The racism comes in when people state their view to be that all aboriginal people are therefore criminals and violent and that they are all trouble, use the system and do nothing to help themselves. Thats what I object to. And your right - there is no pont discussing it. You are entitled to your opinion even though I do not care much for it.

Cameron Dumagee. The officer was found to have a serious case to answer yet 6 odd years on the guy is still walking our streets a free man.

I think what can be concluded is that that sort of attitude you have and have posted perviously is a significant part of the problem. It's not about stats it's about basic human respect. If you keep kicking someone down what do you expect them to do. If you stand idly by and let others do it and or laugh along with them when they do you're just as guilty even if you didn't pull the trigger. The attitude of this country to the indigenous is a throw back to the dark ages. What's far worse is that most white australians and many expats it appears can't understand this.

Try saying hi when you walk past - like you would a white person. Try befriending them - like you would a white person. Try looking at them without distain in your face when you see them on the street - like you would a white person. Try treating them like humans instead of feral dogs - like you would a white person... Are you getting the idea. It won't make things better over night but it will bring about healing over time. How long I guess will depend on how long it takes to forget the past 250 years and not be continually abused in the future. You'd be amazed at how someone can change when another gives them some basic human respect. It's mind boggling to see that such a concept is so foreign in australia. Ya ya ya I've heard it so many times before it happens everywhere. But not nearly to the extent that it happens here and with such pride and open defiance on the part of whites.

The "civilised" world railed against the Nazis for what they did to the jews but to be honest there's not much different to what has happened here to the indigenous. Civilised people need to standup and say enough of the abuse. Unfortunately you can stand on any street corner in australia and yell out that all the bungs should be shot and the most you can expect in opposition is for someone to shout back I agree... I have had australian friends that no longer regard me as a friend because I disagreed with their stance. That is a pretty shallow way of thinking.

Nice post. Total sentimental bollocks, but nice post none the less.

When almost the first people I spoke to after arriving in Australia warned me against having anything to do with them....
When I can walk in my local shopping centre and watch people move to the side as they walk past...
When my local Ranger says "you need to watch those thieving bastards"
When they are effectively banned from my local pub because they cause violence every time they enter...

Then yeah, they have a problem... you will say its because of "my attitude". I would say its because of "their behaviour".

I've been here four years... both the attitude towards them and their behaviour have gone on a lot longer than that.

My own dealings with anybody Aboriginal has been precisely ZERO.

And so your opinion is just judgemental bolloxs then - seeing as you have no personal experience to base it on. You just follow the sheep in front........Baaaaaaaaa!

What IS my opinion?.

You have formed, in your own mind, what you believe my opinion to be, regardless if there is any basis in fact to that, or not. If you really want to know, then it's that they, as a community, have massive problems. Those problems are, in part, of their own making and trying to deny that doesn't help one bit.

As for having to have personal experience of everything before having an opinion on it... don't be bloody stupid.
Do you have personal experience of everything you hold opinions about? Of course not.

What I do know is that you dismiss others opinions as sentimental bollox and thats okay, yet when we afford the same courtesy to you and dismiss your opinion as judgmental bollox you get all offended.

And please dont call me stupid......it only serves to make you look so. You know nothing of me or how I form my opinions on anything, so do not assume you do!

You will need to try a Hell of a lot harder than you have been doing to offend me.

Dismiss my opinions all you want, but at least establish what they are first... and if you are going to make stupid statements, then like it or not, I'm going to call you stupid.
Saying, that to have an opinion on anything, that you need to have personal experience of it, is simply stupid. You have rubbished other peoples views in this very thread, because you have an opinion about them, but no personal experience of them.