Aboriginal recognition
Jun 15th 2015, 8:12 am
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Re: Aboriginal recognition
1967 is when Aboriginal Australians were included in the census. The SBS feature referred to the flora and fauna legislation overturn as a myth but concedes that some states did have departments that managed Aboriginal affairs alongside flora and fauna:
(from: Myths persist about the 1967 referendum | SBS News)
So, in summary, in at least some states they were NOT counted in human population and managed by the same department as managed flora and fauna ....
In recent years, an Aboriginal politician even referred to growing up under a state Flora and Fauna Act.
Several states did, indeed, often manage Aboriginal affairs through departments that also handled flora, fauna and wildlife.
But there is nothing to show Aboriginal people were ever classed as one and the same, despite the fact they were not being counted in the official human population.
Several states did, indeed, often manage Aboriginal affairs through departments that also handled flora, fauna and wildlife.
But there is nothing to show Aboriginal people were ever classed as one and the same, despite the fact they were not being counted in the official human population.
So, in summary, in at least some states they were NOT counted in human population and managed by the same department as managed flora and fauna ....
Jun 15th 2015, 8:15 am
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What vested interests do you have, I wonder, in your definition of equal?
That's a fine argument, if you are not the wronged party.
TBH, Australia does look pretty racist to those of us overseas living in countries that are prepared to engage with the issues of indigenous rights and colonialism's legacy, even though such engagement is complex and thorny and sometimes feels without end. We have our own problems in NZ with settling the grievances of the past that are shown in the scars of today, but it's nothing like the situation in Australia, thank God, and I am proud of little NZ for that.
It always amuses me when people knock "lefties" and try to construct caring about other people, giving a shit about equality (real equality, not just equality that serves the status quo), and generally being a decent human being as something noxious and with a hidden agenda!
That's a fine argument, if you are not the wronged party.
TBH, Australia does look pretty racist to those of us overseas living in countries that are prepared to engage with the issues of indigenous rights and colonialism's legacy, even though such engagement is complex and thorny and sometimes feels without end. We have our own problems in NZ with settling the grievances of the past that are shown in the scars of today, but it's nothing like the situation in Australia, thank God, and I am proud of little NZ for that.
It always amuses me when people knock "lefties" and try to construct caring about other people, giving a shit about equality (real equality, not just equality that serves the status quo), and generally being a decent human being as something noxious and with a hidden agenda!
Jun 15th 2015, 9:09 am
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NZ seems to have a lot more time for its indigenous than the Aussie government does, mutual respect?? what's that?
Jun 15th 2015, 9:09 am
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I know an Aboriginal when I meet one - I can even recognise people when they are half-Aboriginal (etc).
Jun 15th 2015, 9:31 am
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I think the lady's attitude says nothing about her politics, only that she cares. I don't see a problem with that, if everyone were like you the world would be a shambles, the reverse is also true in all honesty, but giving a toss sets us apart from the beasties.
Jun 15th 2015, 9:45 am
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Its all too easy to sit back and say I give a toss by writing it on an internet forum. But do you really, and how do you know if I don't donate my annual charity to aboriginal affairs. Actions speak louder than a few words. What actions fo you take?
Jun 15th 2015, 9:54 am
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Oh, and do you?
Jun 15th 2015, 10:05 am
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But prior to 1967, indigenous affairs were looked after by the flora and fauna departments. Are you saying that isn't true? When I took my missus to hospital as she went into labour, I'd have been pretty pissed if a vet walked in 
Similarly, I think the fact that there is a referendum looming on whether or not the traditional occupants of this country should or shouldn't be recognised in its constitution is absolute proof of its backwardness. It's 2015 for Christs sake, if Australia doesn't want to appear backwards, it's time to stand up and be accountable for its own problems, and stop trying to pay the problem to go away. Just make it happen, equal rights, equal recognition, no special treatment for anyone who doesn't need it.
This is probably all a bit lefty and preachy, but my original issue is the fact that it's going to a vote. They're sussing out the wording of the question, FFS
Similarly, I think the fact that there is a referendum looming on whether or not the traditional occupants of this country should or shouldn't be recognised in its constitution is absolute proof of its backwardness. It's 2015 for Christs sake, if Australia doesn't want to appear backwards, it's time to stand up and be accountable for its own problems, and stop trying to pay the problem to go away. Just make it happen, equal rights, equal recognition, no special treatment for anyone who doesn't need it.
This is probably all a bit lefty and preachy, but my original issue is the fact that it's going to a vote. They're sussing out the wording of the question, FFS
The fact that certain groups of rural Aboriginals were administered by wildlife departments was not very enlightened but does not mean that they were considered to be fauna - and they weren't
Jun 15th 2015, 10:06 am
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I don't need to donate anything in this case, money is not the issue here. I simply treat everyone as equal. I find the thought of behaving otherwise frightful to be honest. The things I give a toss about that need money, I generally donate to. Your point??
Oh, and do you?
Oh, and do you?
I believe everyone should be treated equal too. That also extends to the rich and poor.
I don't see any point in harping over old ground, again and again and again. It doesn't do anyone any favours and has been done to death. It also maintains divides in the communtiy, in which there has been a lot of effort to remove.
Jun 15th 2015, 10:15 am
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I have hired and trained a person as part of a corporate indigenous program to help indigenous people build skills.
I believe everyone should be treated equal too. That also extends to the rich and poor.
I don't see any point in harping over old ground, again and again and again. It doesn't do anyone any favours and has been done to death. It also maintains divides in the communtiy, in which there has been a lot of effort to remove.
I believe everyone should be treated equal too. That also extends to the rich and poor.
I don't see any point in harping over old ground, again and again and again. It doesn't do anyone any favours and has been done to death. It also maintains divides in the communtiy, in which there has been a lot of effort to remove.
The whole point of this thread is that it's 2015, and we're awaiting a referendum on whether an entire race of people should be recognized in the constitution, it hasn't happened yet so it's hardly old ground is it?
Jun 15th 2015, 10:24 am
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In your post #15, you were trying to make out that Australia, until 1967, considered Aboriginals to be animals (fauna). It's total shite but that's what you were trying to say - you know it, as do I
The fact that certain groups of rural Aboriginals were administered by wildlife departments was not very enlightened but does not mean that they were considered to be fauna - and they weren't
The fact that certain groups of rural Aboriginals were administered by wildlife departments was not very enlightened but does not mean that they were considered to be fauna - and they weren't
The start of this thread was focussing on the future, and I maintain that the fact it's even going to a referendum is shameful.
Jun 15th 2015, 10:35 am
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You're focussing on the past, they were administered by the flora and fauna mob in at least afew states, that is a fact. Where we're differing is what that actually meant, personally I think describing it as unenlightened is like calling apartheid 'a bit unfair'. But differ we do, and will continue to do so, fair enough.
The start of this thread was focussing on the future, and I maintain that the fact it's even going to a referendum is shameful.
The start of this thread was focussing on the future, and I maintain that the fact it's even going to a referendum is shameful.
Changing the constitution for this is socialist nonsense. We are all equal in this country and singling one group out for special recognition is pathetic and wrong
The western left will not be happy until they've broken all our institutions, culture, social structures and way of life
It is very, very difficult for a western socialist to be a patriot
Jun 15th 2015, 10:53 am
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This is the first thread I've started on the subject, hardly harping on. Did you hire this person of your own fruition or were you told to?, whilst the latter is admirable, the former would be positively noble and I'd tip my hat.
The whole point of this thread is that it's 2015, and we're awaiting a referendum on whether an entire race of people should be recognized in the constitution, it hasn't happened yet so it's hardly old ground is it?
The whole point of this thread is that it's 2015, and we're awaiting a referendum on whether an entire race of people should be recognized in the constitution, it hasn't happened yet so it's hardly old ground is it?
And I still work with this person, and I can tell you, the last thing this person would want is another apology, another referendum, and another point of difference which makes him feel like he's different to the rest of us.
Jun 15th 2015, 11:50 am
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But they weren't considered to to fauna (animals) - which was the point you were trying to make
Changing the constitution for this is socialist nonsense. We are all equal in this country and singling one group out for special recognition is pathetic and wrong
The western left will not be happy until they've broken all our institutions, culture, social structures and way of life
It is very, very difficult for a western socialist to be a patriot
Changing the constitution for this is socialist nonsense. We are all equal in this country and singling one group out for special recognition is pathetic and wrong
The western left will not be happy until they've broken all our institutions, culture, social structures and way of life
It is very, very difficult for a western socialist to be a patriot
Well its more than you've done for indigenous people regardless of whether it was my initiative or a corporate one.
And I still work with this person, and I can tell you, the last thing this person would want is another apology, another referendum, and another point of difference which makes him feel like he's different to the rest of us.
And I still work with this person, and I can tell you, the last thing this person would want is another apology, another referendum, and another point of difference which makes him feel like he's different to the rest of us.
How exactly do you know what I do or don't do? I merely said I don't contribute financially. Do you honestly think I can work in the Pilbara for over 3 years and not work with and get to know at least afew indigenous guys? Sometimes simply not being a dick can make a world of difference. (any smart reply to that, really isn't as smart as you might think)
You actually remind me of that bloke we all work with, or went to school with who says 'well I can't be racist I kissed an Indian girl once', kind of sad
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