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mr mover Feb 2nd 2010 8:28 pm

Re: 2nd Indian found dead
 

Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede (Post 8307255)
As I understand it, the Indian legal system is established upon the principle that your guilt is inversely proportionate to the size of the bribe you're prepared to pay.

:thumbup:

Classic.......:rofl:mm

MartinLuther Feb 2nd 2010 8:39 pm

Re: 2nd Indian found dead
 

Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede (Post 8307255)
As I understand it, the Indian legal system is established upon the principle that your guilt is inversely proportionate to the size of the bribe you're prepared to pay.

:thumbup:

:lol:

I flew with Air India from London to Chicago once and it was interesting watching the Indian movies. In one they had a court scene where everyone started shooting each other (even the judge). :unsure:

IndieG Feb 2nd 2010 8:58 pm

Re: 2nd Indian found dead
 

Originally Posted by man_called_Horse (Post 8306814)
I think mohogony is referring to this http://www.thehindu.com/2010/01/10/s...1057070100.htm

From the same paper:

http://beta.thehindu.com/news/intern...ticle99602.ece

The Indian man, who said he was attacked and set ablaze by assailants here, had falsely reported the incident for claiming insurance, Australian police alleged on Wednesday.

Jaspreet Singh, Grice Crescent, Essendon, in the city’s north, faced an out-of-sessions hearing on Wednesday before a bail justice at St Kilda Road police complex charged with making a false report to police and criminal damage with a view to gaining a financial advantage, the Sky News TV said.

Singh, who is in Australia on his wife’s student visa, told police that he was doused with petrol and set alight as he parked his car near his home early on January 8.

Singh, 29, was taken to the Alfred hospital with 15 per cent burns, affecting his face, arms and hands.

Detective Senior Constable Danielle O’Keefe of the arson and explosives squad told the hearing Singh suffered the burns while trying to torch his 2003 Ford Futura

ABCDiamond Feb 2nd 2010 9:09 pm

Re: 2nd Indian found dead
 

Originally Posted by IndieG (Post 8307413)
From the same paper:

http://beta.thehindu.com/news/intern...ticle99602.ece

The Indian man, who said he was attacked and set ablaze by assailants here, had falsely reported the incident for claiming insurance, Australian police alleged on Wednesday.

Jaspreet Singh, Grice Crescent, Essendon, in the city’s north, faced an out-of-sessions hearing on Wednesday before a bail justice at St Kilda Road police complex charged with making a false report to police and criminal damage with a view to gaining a financial advantage, the Sky News TV said.

Singh, who is in Australia on his wife’s student visa, told police that he was doused with petrol and set alight as he parked his car near his home early on January 8.

Singh, 29, was taken to the Alfred hospital with 15 per cent burns, affecting his face, arms and hands.

Detective Senior Constable Danielle O’Keefe of the arson and explosives squad told the hearing Singh suffered the burns while trying to torch his 2003 Ford Futura

At last, even though it is now February, the Indian press are getting their act together, although saying that the Australian police allege that Jaspreet Singh had falsely reported the incident, is still not accepting that to call it racist at the beginning was wrong.

The same paper January 11, 2010: http://beta.thehindu.com/opinion/let...ticle78681.ece

The attack on 29-year old Jaspreet Singh, yet another Indian, in Melbourne confirms that the increasing attacks on Indians are racial in nature. It is time Canberra came out of the denial mode and addressed the matter with the seriousness it deserves.

Vash the Stampede Feb 2nd 2010 9:25 pm

Re: 2nd Indian found dead
 

Corruption index scores
High score equals least corrupt, low score equals most corrupt

1 - New Zealand: 9.4
2 - Denmark: 9.3
3 - Singapore: 9.2
3 - Sweden: 9.2
5 - Switzerland: 9
6 - Finland: 8.9
6 - Netherlands: 8.9
8 - Australia: 8.7

[...]

84 - India: 3.4
(Source).

I guess that tells its own story.

IndieG Feb 2nd 2010 9:50 pm

Re: 2nd Indian found dead
 

Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede (Post 8307515)
[indent]
Corruption index scores
High score equals least corrupt, low score equals most corrupt



I guess that tells its own story.

And what connection does that have with crime in Melbourne?

..... good thing I follow my signature line below every time I post.

man_called_Horse Feb 2nd 2010 10:31 pm

Re: 2nd Indian found dead
 

Originally Posted by IndieG (Post 8307413)
From the same paper:

http://beta.thehindu.com/news/intern...ticle99602.ece

The Indian man, who said he was attacked and set ablaze by assailants here, had falsely reported the incident for claiming insurance, Australian police alleged on Wednesday.

Jaspreet Singh, Grice Crescent, Essendon, in the city’s north, faced an out-of-sessions hearing on Wednesday before a bail justice at St Kilda Road police complex charged with making a false report to police and criminal damage with a view to gaining a financial advantage, the Sky News TV said.

Singh, who is in Australia on his wife’s student visa, told police that he was doused with petrol and set alight as he parked his car near his home early on January 8.

Singh, 29, was taken to the Alfred hospital with 15 per cent burns, affecting his face, arms and hands.

Detective Senior Constable Danielle O’Keefe of the arson and explosives squad told the hearing Singh suffered the burns while trying to torch his 2003 Ford Futura



http://www.thehindu.com/2010/01/10/s...1057070100.htm 10/1/10 Propaganda

http://beta.thehindu.com/news/intern...ticle99602.ece 3/2/10 Truth

Yeah... So what your saying is that the The Hindu spent a month reporting Anti-Australian propaganda before the truth became apparent... The Hindu is as guilty as Jaspreet Singh.

iamthecreaturefromuranus Feb 2nd 2010 10:34 pm

Re: 2nd Indian found dead
 

Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede (Post 8307515)

Corruption index scores
High score equals least corrupt, low score equals most corrupt

1 - New Zealand: 9.4
2 - Denmark: 9.3
3 - Singapore: 9.2
3 - Sweden: 9.2
5 - Switzerland: 9
6 - Finland: 8.9
6 - Netherlands: 8.9
8 - Australia: 8.7

[...]

84 - India: 3.4
(Source).

I guess that tells its own story.

I'm staggered to see Oz above the UK, based on the pollies in my area.

IndieG Feb 2nd 2010 10:48 pm

Re: 2nd Indian found dead
 

Originally Posted by man_called_Horse (Post 8307741)
Yeah... So what your saying is that the The Hindu spent a month reporting Anti-Australian propaganda before the truth became apparent... The Hindu is as guilty as Jaspreet Singh.

No, that is not what I am saying. The question was - will the Indian media report the fact that the attack was caused by an Indian couple/the other attack was an attempt at insurance fraud. The answer was, yes, they did.

As for what I am saying about the way the media handled the reporting of these crimes, read my post #321.

MartinLuther Feb 2nd 2010 11:15 pm

Re: 2nd Indian found dead
 
Don't know about intelligence but it would be a good start if people could tell the difference between a news report and an opinion piece. Obviously it hard to tell the difference in the Indian media. ;)

bcworld Feb 3rd 2010 8:43 am

Re: Racist Indian attack faked
 

Originally Posted by ABCDiamond (Post 8306615)
The standard assault rate in Melbourne is: 2,628.7 per 100,000
Source
The average rate of assault on Indian nationalities was 2,854 per 100,000 population (but maybe lower if students were to be included in the population figure)
Source

It surprised me that the rate of assault in 'Melbourne' was 3 times the national average - but then it seems like you're comparing apple with oranges?

The source you quote for Melbourne - relates to the Melbourne Police Service Area - with an assault rate of 2628.7 per 100,000 and an actual number of 2133 - that makes its population about 81,000. Last I checked the population of what most people refer to as 'Melbourne' was c. 4m so I assume the PSA is the CBD and some other inner ring suburbs - a high crime area. The figures for Melbourne as a whole are very much closer to the national average and include those suburbs of the city where many of these incidents have taken place.

If you really think the numbers quoted by the police commissioner in the quoted article relate to the Melbourne PSA then that would suggest that more than 40% of assaults and robberies in 'Melbourne' had Indian victims?

MartinLuther Feb 3rd 2010 9:35 am

Re: Racist Indian attack faked
 

Originally Posted by bcworld (Post 8309498)
It surprised me that the rate of assault in 'Melbourne' was 3 times the national average - but then it seems like you're comparing apple with oranges?

The source you quote for Melbourne - relates to the Melbourne Police Service Area - with an assault rate of 2628.7 per 100,000 and an actual number of 2133 - that makes its population about 81,000. Last I checked the population of what most people refer to as 'Melbourne' was c. 4m so I assume the PSA is the CBD and some other inner ring suburbs - a high crime area. The figures for Melbourne as a whole are very much closer to the national average and include those suburbs of the city where many of these incidents have taken place.

If you really think the numbers quoted by the police commissioner in the quoted article relate to the Melbourne PSA then that would suggest that more than 40% of assaults and robberies in 'Melbourne' had Indian victims?

Maybe I'm reading you wrong but are you promoting the suggestion that 40% of attacks and robberies in Melbourne had Indian victims?

bcworld Feb 3rd 2010 9:40 am

Re: Racist Indian attack faked
 

Originally Posted by MartinLuther (Post 8309675)
Maybe I'm reading you wrong but are you promoting the suggestion that 40% of attacks and robberies in Melbourne had Indian victims?

No - what I'm pointing out is that the two assault rates given by ABC are in fact not comparable - if they were comparable the 1000+ assaults on Indians would constitute more than 40% of the total number (that was used to derive the 'Melbourne' assault rate).

MartinLuther Feb 3rd 2010 9:49 am

Re: Racist Indian attack faked
 

Originally Posted by bcworld (Post 8309697)
No - what I'm pointing out is that the two assault rates given by ABC are in fact not comparable - if they were comparable the 1000+ assaults on Indians would constitute more than 40% of the total number (that was used to derive the 'Melbourne' assault rate).

With you now. :thumbup: I could see that was possibly what you meant but I could also see someone else latching onto it and creating another 90%-of-assault-victims-are-immigrants type statistic.

ABCDiamond Feb 3rd 2010 10:30 am

Re: Racist Indian attack faked
 

Originally Posted by bcworld (Post 8309498)
It surprised me that the rate of assault in 'Melbourne' was 3 times the national average - but then it seems like you're comparing apple with oranges?

The source you quote for Melbourne - relates to the Melbourne Police Service Area - with an assault rate of 2628.7 per 100,000 and an actual number of 2133 - that makes its population about 81,000. Last I checked the population of what most people refer to as 'Melbourne' was c. 4m so I assume the PSA is the CBD and some other inner ring suburbs - a high crime area. The figures for Melbourne as a whole are very much closer to the national average and include those suburbs of the city where many of these incidents have taken place.

If you really think the numbers quoted by the police commissioner in the quoted article relate to the Melbourne PSA then that would suggest that more than 40% of assaults and robberies in 'Melbourne' had Indian victims?

Most Cities have much higher crime rates than their State crime rate, eg:
Victoria is 403 per 100,000
Yet the Melbourne Police figure, presumably for the City centre, is 2,628.

apple with oranges? Crime in two different areas ? Maybe Gala Apples against Granny Smiths ;) but no oranges :D

It is feasible to expect, without having exact data, that the incident rate per nationality, may be similar in all parts of Melbourne, on average.


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