moneypenny20

Does that mean I am?

JoeBloggs80

From The Chaser the other night

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTO2Ev6M4UA

ABCDiamond

Some of these Labor adverts are confusing..

Tony Abbott Press Conference 28th July:

JoeBloggs80

The ad refers to the 1.5% tax they say they'll put on businesses to fund the paid parental scheme.

ex_exile

Some jorno pointed out that this 1.5% will also be paid by the big minors no only Coles and Wollies

spalen

Dont worry, the NBN is now 1gigabit instead of 100megabits for the same money! bingo! how about we have 100megabits for 1/10th the cost of the 43b$ they're wasting on this.

As a child programmer in a salt-mine I was taught that if you deliver something that nobody asked for your customer would accuse you of wasting his time and money because you could have used it for something else he wanted. If the NBN is really 1 gigabit to the home -then they've done exactly that. Yet more wastage, or is it just rubbish perhaps.

Gonna be fantastic - all these homes trying to stream 1gigabit until it hits the 64k dial up link to guam for the 'rest of the world' internet.

And Gillard is comparing Abbotts 12mbps plan with an olivetti typerwriter saying that abbotts plan will cost australia jobs - I dont think so - I think we'd all prefer to have that 43b$ put back into the coffers to put the budget back into surplus rather htan have a super fast super silly 1gig connection that you can only watch re-runs of CHannel 7 's tv shows on because nothing else will stream fast enough to use it.... fantastic.

ex_exile

And for those of you wondering how the NBN can suddenly go from 100mb to 1GB fibre optic speed (100mb/ 1Gbit /10Gbit) is not limited by the physics of the medium unlike copper, but by the available signal and the capabilities of the transmitting / receiving interface. In theory 10Gbit should be attainable over the NBN in time.

Problem is that because nobody understands the fibre optics Gillard looks like a Wizard who has just conjured up numbers from the top of her head, yes it sounds like BS but it isn't

Wrong. The same fibre is laid for both 100mb and 1GB, networks and coding are different.

spalen

Correct I understand that , I am fully up to speed with how it works... But its BS.

There is no device manufacturer in the world who gives you "Free" 1gigabit at 10million homes capacity for same price as 100megabit. Everything is driven upwards. All the back end routing engines, all the switches, etc. Its a load of junk. And if the govt DID design it with that capacity from start - an" just realised" then they are even bigger morons than they currently make themselves out to be.

There is no way on earth a valid business proposal worth 43b$ can 'suddenly' deliver 10x the capacity 'by surprise' - they are muppets.

ex_exile

You are wrong again. As manufacturing moves on it is cheaper to buy new faster equipment that is in the production cycle and being mass produced than older slower equipment that is being discontinued. I have saved customers money on proposals by "upgrading" them rather than just a straight replacement.

For example it is currently cheaper to buy a 1TB Hard drive than a 500/750mb one.

NedKelly

Don't worry. When they put it through the filter it will be slowed back down to 1Mbps anyway.

Unless they spend more money on more expensive filters.

spalen

Please.... give me some credit. The tenders for this were done 6mths ago for hardware. They closed over 8 weeks ago - but 'today' they realise they've bought 1gigabit. No... it doesnt stack up.

and either way it doesnt matter - they designed 100meg as "future proof" - now they're getting 1gig - they should have bought 100meg and dropped the price.

Should I remind you whose money they are spending? ours.... You want future proof version 1.0 or future proof version 2.0 - either way, it discredits what they are doing, saying, and how they are acting. They cant run a tender process or they got the spec wrong and 100meg was never enough.

The truth is out there - but you wont get it from these numpties.

You carry on deluding yourself of the wisdom of having this 43b$ white elephant. On your logic we should wait until wireless is at 100meg speed and can be deployed for 1/10th the price.... oh .... wait a minute.... it can.......d'oh

Centurion

Sure, as a consumer I'd love to be able to download more stuff faster. Do I think that we should spend $43 billion doing it when we have such shitty physical infrastructure. Nope. I'll settle for Abbot's 12Mbs for a darn sight less and let the private sector in.

It's like running out and buying a Ferarri when you live in a cardboard box under the railway bridge. This country has such other priorities which are more deserving of our tax money.

spalen

Asbolutely.

IvanM

The speed delivered to the home or throughput is the slowest point along the whole route. There is lies the additional cost particularly when it comes to the international links such as the Southern Cross. I reckon telcos will fit 1GB or 10GB equipment but throttle until the network capacity can also be expanded. Either way 100mb opens up HD video on demand. 1GB will be a struggle for homes to use but I am sure someone will come up with something.

IvanM

Please read posts earlier. Those that think this is about consumer downloads is missing most of the point of a networked economy. This is about business enablement. Abbott's 12mbs with packet loss is not what the economy needs.

Another analogy is that it gives Australian business a road you can drive at 100kmh to meet the customer rather than 10kmh.

There are other benefits such as more efficient telephony and video telephony.

Thinking the net is about illegal downloads and porn is blinkered.