Rules for vaccinations in oz
May 14th 2011 | 11:28 pm
#121
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Re: Rules for vaccinations in oz
Some excellent points there and I think you are so right about people responding differently to both vaccines and medication in general.
A point that some fail to realise though is that many people die from vaccines either immediately after administering or in the days following and also that side effects can be horrific. If those are the obvious cases is it too far a stretch of the imagination to consider that there may be side effects for others that don't actually present for months or even years. Vaccines can play serious havoc with the immune system, particularly in children. Very rarely are scientific tests conducted on vaccines in conjuncture with other vaccines either.
A point that some fail to realise though is that many people die from vaccines either immediately after administering or in the days following and also that side effects can be horrific. If those are the obvious cases is it too far a stretch of the imagination to consider that there may be side effects for others that don't actually present for months or even years. Vaccines can play serious havoc with the immune system, particularly in children. Very rarely are scientific tests conducted on vaccines in conjuncture with other vaccines either.
From Japonicas' post earlier
I also think it's presumptive to consider vaccines a one-size-fits-all option. Families who have a history of neurological disorders, immune disorders, whose other children have had noted reactions in the past would probably want to discuss these concerns with their physician before proceeding and then create a schedule that works for them. It's naive to write off all families who question vaccines as rabid Wakefield supporters who are freaked about autism. For many of the families I know, Wakefield and his research doesn't even enter into the question. What is more common is one child who has ended up with a permanent doctor-certified neurological injury after their vaccination and while the doctor can attest to the injury, he cannot say for a fact that it was or wasn't vaccines (I only know of one family whose specialists vouched that it was in fact that vaccines did directly cause their son's impairment), so the parents have to decide whether or not to risk another child. It's a tough decision. Some will ultimately go ahead and others may not.
end Japonicas' earlier post
I don't post very often but feel very strongly about vaccination / immunisation.
I have three children and they each have different vaccination/immunisation records. My first child wasn't vaccinated against whooping cough because my GP felt that there was more chance of him having an adverse reaction to the vaccine than being exposed to the disease. This child, less than two years later was rushed to hospital after suffering a near fatal reaction to the typhoid/paratyphoid' vaccination he got prior to us living in Africa. He had no reactions to any of the other vaccinations/immunisations he needed to live in Africa.
My GP advised me that my second child was more likely to be exposed to whooping cough than to suffer an adverse reaction, so got vaccinated against it.
My GP advised the same with my third child, so he was vaccinated against it.
One family, three children, three different GPs, three different decisions based on the information available at the time.
My first child has had to make hard choices about what vaccinations / immunisations he has now as an adult. Although he's been to some 'questionable' destinations he always arranges to have the 'advisable' vaccinations/immunisations for his destination.
My second child had to have all sorts of vaccinations/immunisations because of the university degree she took, she didn't any adverse reaction to any of them.
I admit to worrying about the MMR, something that wasn't available to my elder two, for my youngest. In the end, we had three separate vaccinations. Yes, we had to pay for them, but we did it, and I'm happy that we went ahead with the vaccinations in a way that I felt happier about.
We got an email from the youngest's school last week, saying that there were children absent because they had whooping cough. I spoke to the Immunisation Officer at Moreton Bay and taking her advice, we went the same night to our GP who gave us scripts for vaccine and we were vaccinated on Monday evening.
I fully realise that vaccination/immunisation may not stop people getting a particular disease, but I believe that if it weren't for the vaccination / immunisation programmes set in place in the 50s and 60s that people today wouldn't be able to be so 'relaxed' in their opinions and decisions regarding their own children.
Yes, I'm old, much older than the majority on this thread. I've known children who have suffered from polio, measles, rubella, thalidomide. It may be that this has 'coloured' my attitude to vaccination/immunisation. But, it may also be that my, and people with similar beliefs to mine, who chose what vaccine/immunisations to give their children, are in the position of being in the best of both worlds.
The most disturbing comment I've read on this thread was when the OP said something along the lines of..... "If I have to have them vaccinated to get to Australia, then I'll have to swallow my pride", (or words to that effect).
So, am I right in thinking that the OP would change her principles and opinions on what she would put her children through just so she could move to a country she wanted to live in? No offence intended, and just my tuppenceworth, but I can't understand where self pride comes into parents' decisions about their childrens' wellbeing.
(An aside, when I got the email from school I contacted my eldest to warn that he was not immune to whooping cough, though he grew up knowing this. I made his decisions when he was a child, but he has to decide now whether to get the whooping cough vaccine.)
For what it's worth, as a toddler I was immunised against smallpox. Non of my siblings were because the UK had stopped the immunisation programme before they were born. My own family arrived back in UK from Africa in 1976, and shortly afterwards there was an outbreak of smallpox from a laboratory in England. I, my 4yr old, and my newborn baby, (via me), were the only people in my family who had 'immunity'.
Sorry for the long, rambling post, but this is a topic that I do feel very strongly about. I do think though that parents should make informed decisions for each child and research the possibility of adverse reactions against the probability of their child(ren) coming into contact with any preventable disease when faced with vaccination/immunisation for any disease.
I should add here, that neither I nor my children whilst in my care, have taken any 'drugs', prescription or over the counter without looking into what adverse reaction may occur.
I hope that my elder children do the same for their children, but that's not my business, I just hope that they (like me) make informed decisions about what they think should or not be put into their childrens' little bodies at any given point in time.
Apologies if I've caused offence to anyone.
M xxx
I also think it's presumptive to consider vaccines a one-size-fits-all option. Families who have a history of neurological disorders, immune disorders, whose other children have had noted reactions in the past would probably want to discuss these concerns with their physician before proceeding and then create a schedule that works for them. It's naive to write off all families who question vaccines as rabid Wakefield supporters who are freaked about autism. For many of the families I know, Wakefield and his research doesn't even enter into the question. What is more common is one child who has ended up with a permanent doctor-certified neurological injury after their vaccination and while the doctor can attest to the injury, he cannot say for a fact that it was or wasn't vaccines (I only know of one family whose specialists vouched that it was in fact that vaccines did directly cause their son's impairment), so the parents have to decide whether or not to risk another child. It's a tough decision. Some will ultimately go ahead and others may not.
end Japonicas' earlier post
I don't post very often but feel very strongly about vaccination / immunisation.
I have three children and they each have different vaccination/immunisation records. My first child wasn't vaccinated against whooping cough because my GP felt that there was more chance of him having an adverse reaction to the vaccine than being exposed to the disease. This child, less than two years later was rushed to hospital after suffering a near fatal reaction to the typhoid/paratyphoid' vaccination he got prior to us living in Africa. He had no reactions to any of the other vaccinations/immunisations he needed to live in Africa.
My GP advised me that my second child was more likely to be exposed to whooping cough than to suffer an adverse reaction, so got vaccinated against it.
My GP advised the same with my third child, so he was vaccinated against it.
One family, three children, three different GPs, three different decisions based on the information available at the time.
My first child has had to make hard choices about what vaccinations / immunisations he has now as an adult. Although he's been to some 'questionable' destinations he always arranges to have the 'advisable' vaccinations/immunisations for his destination.
My second child had to have all sorts of vaccinations/immunisations because of the university degree she took, she didn't any adverse reaction to any of them.
I admit to worrying about the MMR, something that wasn't available to my elder two, for my youngest. In the end, we had three separate vaccinations. Yes, we had to pay for them, but we did it, and I'm happy that we went ahead with the vaccinations in a way that I felt happier about.
We got an email from the youngest's school last week, saying that there were children absent because they had whooping cough. I spoke to the Immunisation Officer at Moreton Bay and taking her advice, we went the same night to our GP who gave us scripts for vaccine and we were vaccinated on Monday evening.
I fully realise that vaccination/immunisation may not stop people getting a particular disease, but I believe that if it weren't for the vaccination / immunisation programmes set in place in the 50s and 60s that people today wouldn't be able to be so 'relaxed' in their opinions and decisions regarding their own children.
Yes, I'm old, much older than the majority on this thread. I've known children who have suffered from polio, measles, rubella, thalidomide. It may be that this has 'coloured' my attitude to vaccination/immunisation. But, it may also be that my, and people with similar beliefs to mine, who chose what vaccine/immunisations to give their children, are in the position of being in the best of both worlds.
The most disturbing comment I've read on this thread was when the OP said something along the lines of..... "If I have to have them vaccinated to get to Australia, then I'll have to swallow my pride", (or words to that effect).
So, am I right in thinking that the OP would change her principles and opinions on what she would put her children through just so she could move to a country she wanted to live in? No offence intended, and just my tuppenceworth, but I can't understand where self pride comes into parents' decisions about their childrens' wellbeing.
(An aside, when I got the email from school I contacted my eldest to warn that he was not immune to whooping cough, though he grew up knowing this. I made his decisions when he was a child, but he has to decide now whether to get the whooping cough vaccine.)
For what it's worth, as a toddler I was immunised against smallpox. Non of my siblings were because the UK had stopped the immunisation programme before they were born. My own family arrived back in UK from Africa in 1976, and shortly afterwards there was an outbreak of smallpox from a laboratory in England. I, my 4yr old, and my newborn baby, (via me), were the only people in my family who had 'immunity'.
Sorry for the long, rambling post, but this is a topic that I do feel very strongly about. I do think though that parents should make informed decisions for each child and research the possibility of adverse reactions against the probability of their child(ren) coming into contact with any preventable disease when faced with vaccination/immunisation for any disease.
I should add here, that neither I nor my children whilst in my care, have taken any 'drugs', prescription or over the counter without looking into what adverse reaction may occur.
I hope that my elder children do the same for their children, but that's not my business, I just hope that they (like me) make informed decisions about what they think should or not be put into their childrens' little bodies at any given point in time.
Apologies if I've caused offence to anyone.
M xxx
May 14th 2011 | 11:42 pm
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Re: Rules for vaccinations in oz
I'm also not part of any anti-vax brigade (whoever they happen to be). I'm more of the "I'm always researching and asking questions so I can have an intelligent discussion about this with our GP" gang.
May 14th 2011 | 11:48 pm
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Re: Rules for vaccinations in oz
From Japonicas' post earlier
I also think it's presumptive to consider vaccines a one-size-fits-all option. Families who have a history of neurological disorders, immune disorders, whose other children have had noted reactions in the past would probably want to discuss these concerns with their physician before proceeding and then create a schedule that works for them. It's naive to write off all families who question vaccines as rabid Wakefield supporters who are freaked about autism. For many of the families I know, Wakefield and his research doesn't even enter into the question. What is more common is one child who has ended up with a permanent doctor-certified neurological injury after their vaccination and while the doctor can attest to the injury, he cannot say for a fact that it was or wasn't vaccines (I only know of one family whose specialists vouched that it was in fact that vaccines did directly cause their son's impairment), so the parents have to decide whether or not to risk another child. It's a tough decision. Some will ultimately go ahead and others may not.
end Japonicas' earlier post
I don't post very often but feel very strongly about vaccination / immunisation.
I have three children and they each have different vaccination/immunisation records. My first child wasn't vaccinated against whooping cough because my GP felt that there was more chance of him having an adverse reaction to the vaccine than being exposed to the disease. This child, less than two years later was rushed to hospital after suffering a near fatal reaction to the typhoid/paratyphoid' vaccination he got prior to us living in Africa. He had no reactions to any of the other vaccinations/immunisations he needed to live in Africa.
My GP advised me that my second child was more likely to be exposed to whooping cough than to suffer an adverse reaction, so got vaccinated against it.
My GP advised the same with my third child, so he was vaccinated against it.
One family, three children, three different GPs, three different decisions based on the information available at the time.
My first child has had to make hard choices about what vaccinations / immunisations he has now as an adult. Although he's been to some 'questionable' destinations he always arranges to have the 'advisable' vaccinations/immunisations for his destination.
My second child had to have all sorts of vaccinations/immunisations because of the university degree she took, she didn't any adverse reaction to any of them.
I admit to worrying about the MMR, something that wasn't available to my elder two, for my youngest. In the end, we had three separate vaccinations. Yes, we had to pay for them, but we did it, and I'm happy that we went ahead with the vaccinations in a way that I felt happier about.
We got an email from the youngest's school last week, saying that there were children absent because they had whooping cough. I spoke to the Immunisation Officer at Moreton Bay and taking her advice, we went the same night to our GP who gave us scripts for vaccine and we were vaccinated on Monday evening.
I fully realise that vaccination/immunisation may not stop people getting a particular disease, but I believe that if it weren't for the vaccination / immunisation programmes set in place in the 50s and 60s that people today wouldn't be able to be so 'relaxed' in their opinions and decisions regarding their own children.
Yes, I'm old, much older than the majority on this thread. I've known children who have suffered from polio, measles, rubella, thalidomide. It may be that this has 'coloured' my attitude to vaccination/immunisation. But, it may also be that my, and people with similar beliefs to mine, who chose what vaccine/immunisations to give their children, are in the position of being in the best of both worlds.
The most disturbing comment I've read on this thread was when the OP said something along the lines of..... "If I have to have them vaccinated to get to Australia, then I'll have to swallow my pride", (or words to that effect).
So, am I right in thinking that the OP would change her principles and opinions on what she would put her children through just so she could move to a country she wanted to live in? No offence intended, and just my tuppenceworth, but I can't understand where self pride comes into parents' decisions about their childrens' wellbeing.
(An aside, when I got the email from school I contacted my eldest to warn that he was not immune to whooping cough, though he grew up knowing this. I made his decisions when he was a child, but he has to decide now whether to get the whooping cough vaccine.)
For what it's worth, as a toddler I was immunised against smallpox. Non of my siblings were because the UK had stopped the immunisation programme before they were born. My own family arrived back in UK from Africa in 1976, and shortly afterwards there was an outbreak of smallpox from a laboratory in England. I, my 4yr old, and my newborn baby, (via me), were the only people in my family who had 'immunity'.
Sorry for the long, rambling post, but this is a topic that I do feel very strongly about. I do think though that parents should make informed decisions for each child and research the possibility of adverse reactions against the probability of their child(ren) coming into contact with any preventable disease when faced with vaccination/immunisation for any disease.
I should add here, that neither I nor my children whilst in my care, have taken any 'drugs', prescription or over the counter without looking into what adverse reaction may occur.
I hope that my elder children do the same for their children, but that's not my business, I just hope that they (like me) make informed decisions about what they think should or not be put into their childrens' little bodies at any given point in time.
Apologies if I've caused offence to anyone.
M xxx
I also think it's presumptive to consider vaccines a one-size-fits-all option. Families who have a history of neurological disorders, immune disorders, whose other children have had noted reactions in the past would probably want to discuss these concerns with their physician before proceeding and then create a schedule that works for them. It's naive to write off all families who question vaccines as rabid Wakefield supporters who are freaked about autism. For many of the families I know, Wakefield and his research doesn't even enter into the question. What is more common is one child who has ended up with a permanent doctor-certified neurological injury after their vaccination and while the doctor can attest to the injury, he cannot say for a fact that it was or wasn't vaccines (I only know of one family whose specialists vouched that it was in fact that vaccines did directly cause their son's impairment), so the parents have to decide whether or not to risk another child. It's a tough decision. Some will ultimately go ahead and others may not.
end Japonicas' earlier post
I don't post very often but feel very strongly about vaccination / immunisation.
I have three children and they each have different vaccination/immunisation records. My first child wasn't vaccinated against whooping cough because my GP felt that there was more chance of him having an adverse reaction to the vaccine than being exposed to the disease. This child, less than two years later was rushed to hospital after suffering a near fatal reaction to the typhoid/paratyphoid' vaccination he got prior to us living in Africa. He had no reactions to any of the other vaccinations/immunisations he needed to live in Africa.
My GP advised me that my second child was more likely to be exposed to whooping cough than to suffer an adverse reaction, so got vaccinated against it.
My GP advised the same with my third child, so he was vaccinated against it.
One family, three children, three different GPs, three different decisions based on the information available at the time.
My first child has had to make hard choices about what vaccinations / immunisations he has now as an adult. Although he's been to some 'questionable' destinations he always arranges to have the 'advisable' vaccinations/immunisations for his destination.
My second child had to have all sorts of vaccinations/immunisations because of the university degree she took, she didn't any adverse reaction to any of them.
I admit to worrying about the MMR, something that wasn't available to my elder two, for my youngest. In the end, we had three separate vaccinations. Yes, we had to pay for them, but we did it, and I'm happy that we went ahead with the vaccinations in a way that I felt happier about.
We got an email from the youngest's school last week, saying that there were children absent because they had whooping cough. I spoke to the Immunisation Officer at Moreton Bay and taking her advice, we went the same night to our GP who gave us scripts for vaccine and we were vaccinated on Monday evening.
I fully realise that vaccination/immunisation may not stop people getting a particular disease, but I believe that if it weren't for the vaccination / immunisation programmes set in place in the 50s and 60s that people today wouldn't be able to be so 'relaxed' in their opinions and decisions regarding their own children.
Yes, I'm old, much older than the majority on this thread. I've known children who have suffered from polio, measles, rubella, thalidomide. It may be that this has 'coloured' my attitude to vaccination/immunisation. But, it may also be that my, and people with similar beliefs to mine, who chose what vaccine/immunisations to give their children, are in the position of being in the best of both worlds.
The most disturbing comment I've read on this thread was when the OP said something along the lines of..... "If I have to have them vaccinated to get to Australia, then I'll have to swallow my pride", (or words to that effect).
So, am I right in thinking that the OP would change her principles and opinions on what she would put her children through just so she could move to a country she wanted to live in? No offence intended, and just my tuppenceworth, but I can't understand where self pride comes into parents' decisions about their childrens' wellbeing.
(An aside, when I got the email from school I contacted my eldest to warn that he was not immune to whooping cough, though he grew up knowing this. I made his decisions when he was a child, but he has to decide now whether to get the whooping cough vaccine.)
For what it's worth, as a toddler I was immunised against smallpox. Non of my siblings were because the UK had stopped the immunisation programme before they were born. My own family arrived back in UK from Africa in 1976, and shortly afterwards there was an outbreak of smallpox from a laboratory in England. I, my 4yr old, and my newborn baby, (via me), were the only people in my family who had 'immunity'.
Sorry for the long, rambling post, but this is a topic that I do feel very strongly about. I do think though that parents should make informed decisions for each child and research the possibility of adverse reactions against the probability of their child(ren) coming into contact with any preventable disease when faced with vaccination/immunisation for any disease.
I should add here, that neither I nor my children whilst in my care, have taken any 'drugs', prescription or over the counter without looking into what adverse reaction may occur.
I hope that my elder children do the same for their children, but that's not my business, I just hope that they (like me) make informed decisions about what they think should or not be put into their childrens' little bodies at any given point in time.
Apologies if I've caused offence to anyone.
M xxx
May 15th 2011 | 12:00 am
#124
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Re: Rules for vaccinations in oz
Tiddler had the Hep B innoculations at school, final one last year. She had Glandular Fever recently and from the blood tests taken, we found that they hadn't 'taken'. Doc now wants to give her another booster and if that doesn't work then the whole course again. Not impressed and apparently (according to GP anyway) she's not alone but obviously most people don't realise it.
May 15th 2011 | 12:03 am
#125
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Re: Rules for vaccinations in oz
Some excellent points there and I think you are so right about people responding differently to both vaccines and medication in general.
A point that some fail to realise though is that many people die from vaccines either immediately after administering or in the days following and also that side effects can be horrific. If those are the obvious cases is it too far a stretch of the imagination to consider that there may be side effects for others that don't actually present for months or even years. Vaccines can play serious havoc with the immune system, particularly in children. Very rarely are scientific tests conducted on vaccines in conjuncture with other vaccines either.
A point that some fail to realise though is that many people die from vaccines either immediately after administering or in the days following and also that side effects can be horrific. If those are the obvious cases is it too far a stretch of the imagination to consider that there may be side effects for others that don't actually present for months or even years. Vaccines can play serious havoc with the immune system, particularly in children. Very rarely are scientific tests conducted on vaccines in conjuncture with other vaccines either.
My very personal view is that it may well be perfectly safe for me to take a paracetamol tablet tonight, but very dangerous for me to do the same thing tomorrow. We all make the best decision that we can, given the information we have to hand at that given time, and then we have to live with it.
I do, however, think that many parents today have a 'skewed' view of available information to enable them to make these very important decisions about their children because many of the 'diseases' that were common when I was a child have been nearly eradicated because of the vaccination and immunisations that parents allowed their children to have in the 50s/60s/70s in the UK. (I quote UK because that's where I come from.)
I have to say too, that living in Africa, seeing the poverty and the needless deaths there from diseases that I had believed had been eradicated (in my own country) was a very big wake up call to me.
This continues to haunt me living in Australia. I worry about the migrants from various countries, who do not have the same immunisation programmes available to them, who are not barred from entry because of 'lack of immunisation/vaccination', and who may be hosting diseases to infect children/people here.
I have to say here that I'm not against, in any way, migrants from any country living here, just that I worry about the lack of immunisation / vaccination programmes in the countries they are coming from.
Whilst I worry about the effects of vaccinating/immunising anyone, let alone our babies, I do think that this is something that each and every one of us should take very seriously.
Apologies if I have offended anyone.
M xxx
May 15th 2011 | 12:03 am
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Re: Rules for vaccinations in oz
Your child's (and your own) vaccination status will have absolutely no bearing at all on your visa, it's not the slightest issue for your medicals 
May 15th 2011 | 12:40 am
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Re: Rules for vaccinations in oz
Tiddler had the Hep B innoculations at school, final one last year. She had Glandular Fever recently and from the blood tests taken, we found that they hadn't 'taken'. Doc now wants to give her another booster and if that doesn't work then the whole course again. Not impressed and apparently (according to GP anyway) she's not alone but obviously most people don't realise it.
May 15th 2011 | 12:48 am
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Re: Rules for vaccinations in oz
A member of my family had a life changing physical and mental effect of the MMR vaccine which horrifies me and scares me entirely away from any vaccine. This is my main reason for avoiding vaccinations, and couldn't bear it if anything like that happened to my boys, as a parent I would believe it to be my fault for giving authorisation for it to go ahead. I didn't want to post this information but feel the need to give my main reason to avoid any more negative remarks. Most people think I should consider some vaccines but am just so scared of anything bad happening to my beautiful boys.
I completely emphaphise with all who have been through terrible circumstances through vaccinations. In hind site maybe I should have posted this earlier but didn't like to air my life. Kind regards to all for information.
I completely emphaphise with all who have been through terrible circumstances through vaccinations. In hind site maybe I should have posted this earlier but didn't like to air my life. Kind regards to all for information.
May 15th 2011 | 12:55 am
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Re: Rules for vaccinations in oz
Hi there
The comment I made about having to rethink the vaccinations my children would have were simply based on their health and if it was a vaccine that was really needed to live or visit any country that they would be taken, not simply an entry card!! (it does read that way though so apologies) I feel that I have answered a few questions with my previous post and that I have explained a few things.
Thank you for you info
The comment I made about having to rethink the vaccinations my children would have were simply based on their health and if it was a vaccine that was really needed to live or visit any country that they would be taken, not simply an entry card!! (it does read that way though so apologies) I feel that I have answered a few questions with my previous post and that I have explained a few things.
Thank you for you info
From Japonicas' post earlier
I also think it's presumptive to consider vaccines a one-size-fits-all option. Families who have a history of neurological disorders, immune disorders, whose other children have had noted reactions in the past would probably want to discuss these concerns with their physician before proceeding and then create a schedule that works for them. It's naive to write off all families who question vaccines as rabid Wakefield supporters who are freaked about autism. For many of the families I know, Wakefield and his research doesn't even enter into the question. What is more common is one child who has ended up with a permanent doctor-certified neurological injury after their vaccination and while the doctor can attest to the injury, he cannot say for a fact that it was or wasn't vaccines (I only know of one family whose specialists vouched that it was in fact that vaccines did directly cause their son's impairment), so the parents have to decide whether or not to risk another child. It's a tough decision. Some will ultimately go ahead and others may not.
end Japonicas' earlier post
I don't post very often but feel very strongly about vaccination / immunisation.
I have three children and they each have different vaccination/immunisation records. My first child wasn't vaccinated against whooping cough because my GP felt that there was more chance of him having an adverse reaction to the vaccine than being exposed to the disease. This child, less than two years later was rushed to hospital after suffering a near fatal reaction to the typhoid/paratyphoid' vaccination he got prior to us living in Africa. He had no reactions to any of the other vaccinations/immunisations he needed to live in Africa.
My GP advised me that my second child was more likely to be exposed to whooping cough than to suffer an adverse reaction, so got vaccinated against it.
My GP advised the same with my third child, so he was vaccinated against it.
One family, three children, three different GPs, three different decisions based on the information available at the time.
My first child has had to make hard choices about what vaccinations / immunisations he has now as an adult. Although he's been to some 'questionable' destinations he always arranges to have the 'advisable' vaccinations/immunisations for his destination.
My second child had to have all sorts of vaccinations/immunisations because of the university degree she took, she didn't any adverse reaction to any of them.
I admit to worrying about the MMR, something that wasn't available to my elder two, for my youngest. In the end, we had three separate vaccinations. Yes, we had to pay for them, but we did it, and I'm happy that we went ahead with the vaccinations in a way that I felt happier about.
We got an email from the youngest's school last week, saying that there were children absent because they had whooping cough. I spoke to the Immunisation Officer at Moreton Bay and taking her advice, we went the same night to our GP who gave us scripts for vaccine and we were vaccinated on Monday evening.
I fully realise that vaccination/immunisation may not stop people getting a particular disease, but I believe that if it weren't for the vaccination / immunisation programmes set in place in the 50s and 60s that people today wouldn't be able to be so 'relaxed' in their opinions and decisions regarding their own children.
Yes, I'm old, much older than the majority on this thread. I've known children who have suffered from polio, measles, rubella, thalidomide. It may be that this has 'coloured' my attitude to vaccination/immunisation. But, it may also be that my, and people with similar beliefs to mine, who chose what vaccine/immunisations to give their children, are in the position of being in the best of both worlds.
The most disturbing comment I've read on this thread was when the OP said something along the lines of..... "If I have to have them vaccinated to get to Australia, then I'll have to swallow my pride", (or words to that effect).
So, am I right in thinking that the OP would change her principles and opinions on what she would put her children through just so she could move to a country she wanted to live in? No offence intended, and just my tuppenceworth, but I can't understand where self pride comes into parents' decisions about their childrens' wellbeing.
(An aside, when I got the email from school I contacted my eldest to warn that he was not immune to whooping cough, though he grew up knowing this. I made his decisions when he was a child, but he has to decide now whether to get the whooping cough vaccine.)
For what it's worth, as a toddler I was immunised against smallpox. Non of my siblings were because the UK had stopped the immunisation programme before they were born. My own family arrived back in UK from Africa in 1976, and shortly afterwards there was an outbreak of smallpox from a laboratory in England. I, my 4yr old, and my newborn baby, (via me), were the only people in my family who had 'immunity'.
Sorry for the long, rambling post, but this is a topic that I do feel very strongly about. I do think though that parents should make informed decisions for each child and research the possibility of adverse reactions against the probability of their child(ren) coming into contact with any preventable disease when faced with vaccination/immunisation for any disease.
I should add here, that neither I nor my children whilst in my care, have taken any 'drugs', prescription or over the counter without looking into what adverse reaction may occur.
I hope that my elder children do the same for their children, but that's not my business, I just hope that they (like me) make informed decisions about what they think should or not be put into their childrens' little bodies at any given point in time.
Apologies if I've caused offence to anyone.
M xxx
I also think it's presumptive to consider vaccines a one-size-fits-all option. Families who have a history of neurological disorders, immune disorders, whose other children have had noted reactions in the past would probably want to discuss these concerns with their physician before proceeding and then create a schedule that works for them. It's naive to write off all families who question vaccines as rabid Wakefield supporters who are freaked about autism. For many of the families I know, Wakefield and his research doesn't even enter into the question. What is more common is one child who has ended up with a permanent doctor-certified neurological injury after their vaccination and while the doctor can attest to the injury, he cannot say for a fact that it was or wasn't vaccines (I only know of one family whose specialists vouched that it was in fact that vaccines did directly cause their son's impairment), so the parents have to decide whether or not to risk another child. It's a tough decision. Some will ultimately go ahead and others may not.
end Japonicas' earlier post
I don't post very often but feel very strongly about vaccination / immunisation.
I have three children and they each have different vaccination/immunisation records. My first child wasn't vaccinated against whooping cough because my GP felt that there was more chance of him having an adverse reaction to the vaccine than being exposed to the disease. This child, less than two years later was rushed to hospital after suffering a near fatal reaction to the typhoid/paratyphoid' vaccination he got prior to us living in Africa. He had no reactions to any of the other vaccinations/immunisations he needed to live in Africa.
My GP advised me that my second child was more likely to be exposed to whooping cough than to suffer an adverse reaction, so got vaccinated against it.
My GP advised the same with my third child, so he was vaccinated against it.
One family, three children, three different GPs, three different decisions based on the information available at the time.
My first child has had to make hard choices about what vaccinations / immunisations he has now as an adult. Although he's been to some 'questionable' destinations he always arranges to have the 'advisable' vaccinations/immunisations for his destination.
My second child had to have all sorts of vaccinations/immunisations because of the university degree she took, she didn't any adverse reaction to any of them.
I admit to worrying about the MMR, something that wasn't available to my elder two, for my youngest. In the end, we had three separate vaccinations. Yes, we had to pay for them, but we did it, and I'm happy that we went ahead with the vaccinations in a way that I felt happier about.
We got an email from the youngest's school last week, saying that there were children absent because they had whooping cough. I spoke to the Immunisation Officer at Moreton Bay and taking her advice, we went the same night to our GP who gave us scripts for vaccine and we were vaccinated on Monday evening.
I fully realise that vaccination/immunisation may not stop people getting a particular disease, but I believe that if it weren't for the vaccination / immunisation programmes set in place in the 50s and 60s that people today wouldn't be able to be so 'relaxed' in their opinions and decisions regarding their own children.
Yes, I'm old, much older than the majority on this thread. I've known children who have suffered from polio, measles, rubella, thalidomide. It may be that this has 'coloured' my attitude to vaccination/immunisation. But, it may also be that my, and people with similar beliefs to mine, who chose what vaccine/immunisations to give their children, are in the position of being in the best of both worlds.
The most disturbing comment I've read on this thread was when the OP said something along the lines of..... "If I have to have them vaccinated to get to Australia, then I'll have to swallow my pride", (or words to that effect).
So, am I right in thinking that the OP would change her principles and opinions on what she would put her children through just so she could move to a country she wanted to live in? No offence intended, and just my tuppenceworth, but I can't understand where self pride comes into parents' decisions about their childrens' wellbeing.
(An aside, when I got the email from school I contacted my eldest to warn that he was not immune to whooping cough, though he grew up knowing this. I made his decisions when he was a child, but he has to decide now whether to get the whooping cough vaccine.)
For what it's worth, as a toddler I was immunised against smallpox. Non of my siblings were because the UK had stopped the immunisation programme before they were born. My own family arrived back in UK from Africa in 1976, and shortly afterwards there was an outbreak of smallpox from a laboratory in England. I, my 4yr old, and my newborn baby, (via me), were the only people in my family who had 'immunity'.
Sorry for the long, rambling post, but this is a topic that I do feel very strongly about. I do think though that parents should make informed decisions for each child and research the possibility of adverse reactions against the probability of their child(ren) coming into contact with any preventable disease when faced with vaccination/immunisation for any disease.
I should add here, that neither I nor my children whilst in my care, have taken any 'drugs', prescription or over the counter without looking into what adverse reaction may occur.
I hope that my elder children do the same for their children, but that's not my business, I just hope that they (like me) make informed decisions about what they think should or not be put into their childrens' little bodies at any given point in time.
Apologies if I've caused offence to anyone.
M xxx
May 17th 2011 | 11:40 am
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Re: Rules for vaccinations in oz
Just seen this and thought of this thread.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/0...ame=healthNews
"WHO director-general Margaret Chan said that every year immunization programs prevent some 2-3 million deaths."
That's a lot of people still alive as a result of vaccines.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/0...ame=healthNews
"WHO director-general Margaret Chan said that every year immunization programs prevent some 2-3 million deaths."
That's a lot of people still alive as a result of vaccines.
May 17th 2011 | 12:02 pm
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Re: Rules for vaccinations in oz
Just seen this and thought of this thread.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/0...ame=healthNews
"WHO director-general Margaret Chan said that every year immunization programs prevent some 2-3 million deaths."
That's a lot of people still alive as a result of vaccines.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/0...ame=healthNews
"WHO director-general Margaret Chan said that every year immunization programs prevent some 2-3 million deaths."
That's a lot of people still alive as a result of vaccines.
May 17th 2011 | 8:49 pm
#135
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Posts: 2,261
From: Western burbs, Melbourne
Re: Rules for vaccinations in oz
Some excellent points there and I think you are so right about people responding differently to both vaccines and medication in general.
A point that some fail to realise though is that many people die from vaccines either immediately after administering or in the days following and also that side effects can be horrific.
A point that some fail to realise though is that many people die from vaccines either immediately after administering or in the days following and also that side effects can be horrific.
Anecdotally, the mothers, friends, colleagues I know- probably several 100- have not had adverse reactions. If many people do die/have symptoms, surely statistically one of the 100's of people I know should have been affected in their family?
