Megalania

You might hear directly from some Aboriginal people here:

Search the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Commission web site

For example:
Community Attitudes

Fuzzyness

Quote from aforementioned website on employment status of aboriginals

direct link here

Simone

thankyou! Should've found something like that ages ago!
My dad actually worked for ATSIC once(that was when we were up north). But that's a whole other long story.....
And I don't ahve time! I should be working! I'm actually very busy, stupid forum! (ok, stupid me for having no discipline)


But, yes, I hadn't even mentioned the point about that it's not that many drink! There's heaps of aboriginals, but the ones YOU happen to see are "of course" the 'drunks'.
The rest is all working, or just living normal lives, but you don't comment about them! Everybody always only mentions the 'negatives' (which is normal I guess, but not fair)

It's all about generalisation and perception and communication. Like all problems of the world, and this forum too!

Simone

Just like to highlight this point, from the 2nd link:
You also often here people complaining about the aboriginals 'sitting around' in parks. But they forget that it also has to do with culture, they're always outside!

OzTennis

I guess all the benefits to the aboriginals is a bit of guilt thing and it is sure cheaper than giving them back all their land

An aside, competely irrelevant to this thread but I just thought of it and it is to do with benefits - there was a case in the paper over the weekend of a bus driver in England who worked 5 days a week. He was paying maintenance to his wife and children and with tax credits and maintenance he took home £120 per week. He discovered that if he went down to a 3 day week his maintenance payments were reduced and his tax credits went up so he would take home £170 per week. Guess what he did? Yep, he went down to a 3 day week!

The company which employs him is getting 150 bus drivers in from Malta in May (?) when it enters the EU and is laying off other drivers (they drive on the left there, speak a bit of English and are cheaper than the 'locals' in the UK).

OzTennis

Simone

Ummm, because of my english, I'm not sure what this is actually saying??!

I think they are still saying the same that I said about that biologically they are less able to handle it.
Or are they saying the opposite?

Anyway, I could be wrong anyway, I'd heard about it a long time ago.

Megalania

Meaning of the word: Refute

Refute

\Re*fute"\ (r?*F3t"), v. t. [imp. & p. p. Refuted; p. pr. & vb. n. Refuting.] [F. r['e]futer, L. refuteare to repel, refute. Cf. Confute, Refuse to deny.] To disprove and overthrow by argument, evidence, or countervailing proof; to prove to be false or erroneous; to confute; as, to refute arguments; to refute testimony; to refute opinions or theories; to refute a disputant.

Simone

Ok, thanks Meg
I was wrong then! Sorry about that folks.
Not that it actually changes most of the points I was trying to make.

I really should take the time to do more research on subjects like this, there's enough to find on the net, but I don't really have the time. Or when I do have the time, I can't be bothered....

Stormz

Sorry if I seem to come across as conceited or whatever. I`m just trying to say what I think.

Basically everyone should be treated the same... the rest of the conversation was erroneous, and responding to other`s comments.

As I said before, it amazes me that people who have never lived in a country can say anything about how life is or should be there.

I didn`t mention anything about drinking or mental health problems.... last time I checked those kind of things aren`t limited to black people.

Aboriginals would have been just fine, as you say, if Whites hadn`t invaded. But they did (as in North America and Africa), and no-one can change that. I don`t see any sense in going on and on and on about it... it happened, deal with it.

My ideals are only for everyone on earth to be fair and respectful of each other. Sadly it`s not going to happen, especially when too many people get the wrong end of the stick.

Civilised western culture? I`m afraid no cultures are civilised... it`s all a sham built around lies and politicians. We just try our best though. If I had the choice for one civilisation to be the benchmark it would probably be the Native American Indians. Nothing`s ever perfect though, and neither was their culture.

I don`t even remember your original post and wasn`t replying to you personally.

Sorry again if I came across in a bad way... didn`t mean to make you or anyone else lose their temper.

Simone

hmmmm, I would appreciate knowing how you think the aboriginals and the government and all Australians should be dealing with it?

You say no one can change it, but we can do something about it now, and I don't think it is wise just to forget about it!
Seems to me that's just avoiding it, and pretending there's nothing wrong!

Stormz

Exactly as it is, by accepting it as something bad that happened in the past and not lying about it. It was disgusting, and typical of the White settlers of any nationality (especially the English though... repeating what they were doing in South Africa, North America, India etc). It is taught in schools so we don`t forget what happened in Tasmania. The Dutch did the same in South Africa (before the English got there) with the bushmen (Xhosa`s).

There has to be a point though where you deal with the past and move on with the future (together), instead of being bitter forever (which is why I mentioned the Romans and the Irish/Scottish..... how long can you keep a grudge for ???).

Don`t even get me started on the injustices caused by religion on indiginous populations.... even up till 30 years ago.
I don`t think I said we should forget about it (at least not literally).... just to deal with it. As I said above, the best thing we can do is learn from past mistakes, whoever did them. At least in Australia we are being honest with history, and not ignoring/glossing over it like in America with the Native Indians.

gavo

I dispute this point. If the English hadn't have colonised Australia, the Japanese would have. If this were the case, do you think there would still be Aboriginies left today. (No disrespect to the Japanese intended. This is just the way it was).

Also, I dispute the prior comments about me being a racist. I believe in equal opportunity for everyone. I simply don't believe it is fair for two equal families, one Caucasian, and one Aboriginal to have equal income and circumstances, yet the Aboriginal family gets Abstudy for their kids that are at school, yet the Caucasion family doesn't. Each case needs to be looked at in an individual basis.

In regards to the drinking and hanging around in public places being a "Cultural Difference"... What am I supposed to do when I have to take a leap over the Urine or Vomit on our front door to get out? Just smile and think - oh well - they're just different to us? I can tell you certainly not. You think... "F***ing abos". The police are afraid to do anything about their public drinking because of fears of being labelled a racist.

Ok I'm ready for the onslaught again! :lecture:

Timber Floor Au

We have a friend down the coast from syd, a not too deireable area that she lives in, unfortunately, but as ya know syd house prices phewwwwwwwwww

anyway, shes really getting grief off a family next door, and for those that dont know, when aussies fall out, they fall out BIGTIME !!

This guy is of aboriginal descent, and aside from the threats and his dogs mutilating her cats, the local council and the police have done sod all..

now my inference is not the fact of his background or indeed that being the reason behind this reply, but she is very scared and lives in definate fear !!

gavo

Police have done nothing??? Surprise Surprise...

Pollster

Some things are the same all over then when it comes to the police and councils.