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Old Nov 21st 2009 | 12:15 pm
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Originally Posted by Grayling
A real bargain

I suppose that is in Brisbane city as well according to your calculations
He didn't say it was! People commute from far away to London, say from Bath. They might do the same to Brisbane. I get the impression distance is his metric here - take it or leave it no need for bitchiness.

He talks about Brisbane because he lives there. He's just trying to draw some sort of comparison - it's probably hard and won't stand some tests. In fact there may not be a true test at all.
 
Old Nov 21st 2009 | 12:23 pm
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Originally Posted by Grayling
Long enough to know that 'brisbane bayside' (sic) is a long way from Brisbane.....where I live.
As an outsider, I am inclined to take ABC's word for it that Bayside is Brisbane. It may be a long way but that's academic. Australian cities are large. We all know that. I am 45k from Melbourne - still consider it to be outer Melbourne really. Like someone just outside the M25, on the spitting edge of Greater London might still see themselves as London or part of London or interested in commuting there. People commute in from Leeds, Cambridge etc - distance from London even large is a consideration.

Reading another post where you roll your eyes, Grayling, ABC is quite correct when people most people talk in terms of cities and their 'metro' areas. Even if there is slight variation in what the definition might be officially or unofficially - or have you been living in Derbyshire too long? My turn to roll-eyes...

Originally Posted by Grayling
If you are going to do comparisons why not compare Brisbane to Birmingham or Manchester which are a similar size....and compare the prices of houses in the better suburbs in Brisbane such as Hamilton, St. Lucia, Bardon, Bulimba, Toowong, etc. to some of the average suburbs in the English cities mentioned?
ABC? Got the time?

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Old Nov 21st 2009 | 12:31 pm
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Originally Posted by Grayling
How can you call Brisbane a 'capital city'?....it is the 'capital' of a state which has less population than London...not even in the same league
I'm sure that's what he meant my good man. A reasonable person would agree.

Brisbane is a capital city in one of Australia's states.

Naturally it may be hard to draw a parallel if you talk about population sizes. Australia is set up differently to the UK.

If we talk about leagues, most cities in the Uk have tiny populations compared to any state capital city in Australia.
 
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Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack
As an outsider, I am inclined to take ABC's word for it that Bayside is Brisbane. It may be a long way but that's academic. Australian cities are large. We all know that. I am 45k from Melbourne - still consider it to be outer Melbourne really. Like someone just outside the M25, on the spitting edge of Greater London might still see themselves as London or part of London or interested in commuting there. People commute in from Leeds, Cambridge etc - distance from London even large is a consideration.

Reading another post where you roll your eyes, Grayling, ABC is quite correct when people most people talk in terms of cities and their 'metro' areas. Even if there is slight variation in what the definition might be officially or unofficially - or have you been living in Derbyshire too long? My turn to roll-eyes...



ABC? Got the time?
Had a fellow Telex Op, who commuted from Nottingham to Aldgate Pump on a daily basis back in the 70's, did so for more than 3 years... more than worth his while from a point of view of wages in London v locally. Others came in from Reading and Southend.
 
Old Nov 21st 2009 | 5:57 pm
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Originally Posted by Grayling
A real bargain

I suppose that is in Brisbane city as well according to your calculations
What calculations ? What are you on this week ?

Not even my area is in Brisbane City, let alone a place 157 km (98 miles) west of Brisbane.

Jeeze....

I see you have changed your tack though, by now saying that we were talking about Brisbane City, even though it is the first time you have specified Brisbane City.

So, now we know what you are talking about, I agree, I do not live in Brisbane City.

Brisbane map, from the ABS Brisbane Social Atlas 2006, attached to show the full extent of Brisbane, NOT just the Brisbane City.
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Old Nov 21st 2009 | 6:01 pm
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Originally Posted by Kapri
Surely to get a fairer comparison you would have to compare London and Sydney ..not London and Brisbane.
But I am comparing two places that I have lived in, both a similar distance from a reasonable city........

However, what London and Sydney suburbs do you class to be similar, for commute and living style, and we can compare the prices.

I could compare a suburb in Sydney that is also a similar commute distance from Sydney CBD to that one in Kent, but the prices are even cheaper, and I am sure that would go down like a lead balloon with some people.
 
Old Nov 21st 2009 | 6:02 pm
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So, now we know what you are talking about, I agree, I do not live in Brisbane City.
You don't live anywhere near Brisbane.....never mind Brisbane city
 
Old Nov 21st 2009 | 6:07 pm
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Originally Posted by Grayling
You don't live anywhere near Brisbane.....never mind Brisbane city
Did you see the map ? I am actually 10 minutes away from the Brisbane City boundary.

You consider that anywhere near ? OR are you now talking about the Brisbane CBD ?

I can't keep up with your changing definitions, changing each time to suit yourself...
 
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Originally Posted by ABCDiamond

I can't keep up with your changing definitions, changing each time to suit yourself...
Now you know how others feel about your posts
 
Old Nov 21st 2009 | 9:44 pm
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Originally Posted by ABCDiamond
But I am comparing two places that I have lived in, both a similar distance from a reasonable city........

However, what London and Sydney suburbs do you class to be similar, for commute and living style, and we can compare the prices.

I could compare a suburb in Sydney that is also a similar commute distance from Sydney CBD to that one in Kent, but the prices are even cheaper, and I am sure that would go down like a lead balloon with some people.
I have no idea about Sydney suburbs ...my point was just that t he London area is very expensive and not typical of house prices in the rest of the country.
People who emigrate from London to Brisbane are almost certainly going to be able to improve their situation, but that may not hold true for the rest of us at the moment.

I have a vested interest in this as I want to move to Australia and I want to be sure I'm not going to end up in an awful house in a bad suburb
With the exchange rate the way it is at the moment we have to llok into this carefully.
If you have been in Australia for a few years then I expect things were a lot more simple for you, unfortunately for us things have changed.

This isn't an Aus vs U.K thing for me ...it's about the reality of emigrating now compared to 5 years ago.
 
Old Nov 21st 2009 | 10:02 pm
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Now you know how others feel about your posts
Give some examples then ...
 
Old Nov 21st 2009 | 10:33 pm
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Originally Posted by Kapri
I have no idea about Sydney suburbs ...my point was just that t he London area is very expensive and not typical of house prices in the rest of the country.
People who emigrate from London to Brisbane are almost certainly going to be able to improve their situation, but that may not hold true for the rest of us at the moment.
It depends on what part of London; everyone comes from different parts and goes to different parts in Australia, so it is very difficult to do any comparisons that will suit everyone.

But, an example:
Barking and Dagenham, London average house price £161,044
Kensington and Chelsea, London average house price £1,080,499
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Barking is 11 miles (18km) to Central London.
Barking and Dagenham
Average house price £161,044
Detached £232,666
Semi-detached £177,309
Terrace £168,217
Flat £124,885
Auburn, Sydney is about 20km to Sydney Central
Median Property prices are
Detached Houses $400k (£222k at 1.8 FX or £181k at 2.2)
Terraced, Townhouses and Units $277k (£154k at 1.8 FX or £125k at 2.2)
http://www.homepriceguide.com.au/sna...NSW&source=apm
Some other median prices
$4,850,000 Darling Point, Sydney
$1,900,000 Kirribilli, Sydney

Partly because of the waterfront and the views in all the top priced suburbs.

But then, the waterfront Sydney area is very expensive and not typical of house prices in the rest of the country.
 
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Originally Posted by Grayling
You don't live anywhere near Brisbane.....never mind Brisbane city
Hang on Mr G! Bayside appears to be some 20-25k from the notional centre of Brisbane CBD.

Knowing what I know about Australian State Capital Cities, that IS Brisbane.
Heck - some people commute from far further afield and would say they live in Brisbane.

Even if ABC lived further to the SE, some 30k away from the CBD I could still understand if he considered himself to be in Brisbane. I mean, people 50k from Melbourne would moreorless - consider themselves to be Melbourne - even if the last stop on the line.

I don't get it...can someone explain!
 
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I don't get it...can someone explain!
It is because he sets himself up as an expert on all things Brisbane and yet lives over 30 km away and usually never mentions that.....he now puts in his signature since I pointed it out

He also, by his own admission, rarely goes into the city but feels qualified to talk about the traffic problems etc.

When challenged he invariably resorts to saying he was talking about HIS part of Brisbane (sic)
 
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Originally Posted by ABCDiamond
Did you see the map ? I am actually 10 minutes away from the Brisbane City boundary.
10 minutes is close enough for me to consider you a Brisbane dweller ABC.
For the purposes of your contribution to this board it's clear to me that you are a Brisbane poster.

Grayling you seem to be taking the view that to be Brisbane you have to be inside the City (municipal) boundary.

Ten of thousands of Brisbanites would disagree I'd imagine - unless of course, QLD really is different!

(If Melbourne was only the city of Melbourne, and I'm not even sure if that is it's correct title, then millions of Melbournians would be disfranchised and rightfully aggrieved!)
 


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