How did the Oz army lose 6 anti tank rocket launchers?
Jan 9th 2007, 8:45 am
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Re: How did the Oz army lose 6 anti tank rocket launchers?
But possible.
It would be possible to target a low flying commercial airplane which in turn could potentially crash into a bridge or building.
A direct hit might be too simple
Alternatively, as Arkon says, terrorists could use it as a doorstop
It would be possible to target a low flying commercial airplane which in turn could potentially crash into a bridge or building.
A direct hit might be too simple
Alternatively, as Arkon says, terrorists could use it as a doorstop
Jan 9th 2007, 8:50 am
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Re: How did the Oz army lose 6 anti tank rocket launchers?
Sounds like that would be just about all it would be good for based on what some of the defenders of the faith have to say. I don't care what anyone says if you fire an RPG at a crowd it's going to kill or mame people, and all the defence of the poor security will mean squat to the victims, so let's beef up security and if the army can't secure it's own weapons maybe they shouldn't have them.
Jan 9th 2007, 8:57 am
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Re: How did the Oz army lose 6 anti tank rocket launchers?
Sounds like that would be just about all it would be good for based on what some of the defenders of the faith have to say. I don't care what anyone says if you fire an RPG at a crowd it's going to kill or mame people, and all the defence of the poor security will mean squat to the victims, so let's beef up security and if the army can't secure it's own weapons maybe they shouldn't have them.
Also, like others have said Arkon, this happens to all armed forces albeit there are stricter guidelines now due to world terrorism. There's unscrupulous practice going on all over the world
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Jan 9th 2007, 7:55 pm
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Re: How did the Oz army lose 6 anti tank rocket launchers?
Maybe people who read sci-fi books and go to gunclubs should not have them either! A very worrying combination in my experience.
I think a bit of pragmatism is required here.
Jan 9th 2007, 9:54 pm
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Re: How did the Oz army lose 6 anti tank rocket launchers?
Fortunately the vast majority of people are peaceful and trustworthy. In my opinion those who want to hurt others will do so anyway, RPGs or no.
Jan 10th 2007, 2:14 am
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Re: How did the Oz army lose 6 anti tank rocket launchers?
Next you'll say that if the police and internal security can't stop terrorism then we shouldn't have police forces.
Maybe people who read sci-fi books and go to gunclubs should not have them either! A very worrying combination in my experience.
I think a bit of pragmatism is required here.
Maybe people who read sci-fi books and go to gunclubs should not have them either! A very worrying combination in my experience.
I think a bit of pragmatism is required here.
Jan 10th 2007, 2:15 am
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Re: How did the Oz army lose 6 anti tank rocket launchers?
Yes but there are LOTS of ways to hurt people, and most of them require much less effort than stealing RPGs. For example, you could get a job in an expensive restaurant and poison the food. Or you could sell toxic drugs - thus turning a profit too. Or you could tamper with the brakes on people's bikes whilst they were locked up. I could go on but I am worrying myself at how easy it is to think of these things.
Fortunately the vast majority of people are peaceful and trustworthy. In my opinion those who want to hurt others will do so anyway, RPGs or no.
Fortunately the vast majority of people are peaceful and trustworthy. In my opinion those who want to hurt others will do so anyway, RPGs or no.
Jan 10th 2007, 6:13 am
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Re: How did the Oz army lose 6 anti tank rocket launchers?
Looks like they've caught the guy:
A Sydney man charged with supplying stolen rocket launchers has been denied bail.
Taha Abdul Rahman, 28, was arrested last week and charged with 17 offences relating to seven rocket launchers allegedly stolen from the Australian Defence Force.
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His barrister, William Brewer, argued there was a danger that the provisions of the act pertaining to the case would get lost in the hysteria surrounding the subject of rocket launchers.
But Magistrate Allan Moore refused to grant bail, saying he was concerned about allegations Abdul Rahman had the capacity to source weapons of this nature and move them on to the criminal element.
The accused will reappear in court next month.
ABC.
A Sydney man charged with supplying stolen rocket launchers has been denied bail.
Taha Abdul Rahman, 28, was arrested last week and charged with 17 offences relating to seven rocket launchers allegedly stolen from the Australian Defence Force.
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His barrister, William Brewer, argued there was a danger that the provisions of the act pertaining to the case would get lost in the hysteria surrounding the subject of rocket launchers.
But Magistrate Allan Moore refused to grant bail, saying he was concerned about allegations Abdul Rahman had the capacity to source weapons of this nature and move them on to the criminal element.
The accused will reappear in court next month.
Jan 10th 2007, 6:16 am
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Re: How did the Oz army lose 6 anti tank rocket launchers?
Originally Posted by arkon
I don't care what anyone says
if you fire an RPG at a crowd it's going to kill or mame people
You've misspelled "maim", by the way.
Jan 10th 2007, 6:42 am
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Re: How did the Oz army lose 6 anti tank rocket launchers?
As always your level of debate is clear, take part of a sentance and quote it out of context and point out spelling mistakes. Personally I wouldn't have expected anything more from you except may be a google search and a hyperlink to try and prove me wrong..Oh wait you did that in the previous post didn't you.
Jan 10th 2007, 9:53 am
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Re: How did the Oz army lose 6 anti tank rocket launchers?
Arkon, I don't think security is lax in ADF bases, I think they are at a level where soldiers can go about their daily business without having the burden of too many checks and barriers.
The problem is that any security system can be breached with sufficient inside help.
If every dangerous item was protected to the standard of the British Crown Jewels, we wouldn't have an Army trained to defend us, the weapons would never see the light of day, which is pointless.
The fact that the theft was detected shows that checks and balances were in place.
Of course it is not OK for weapons to be stolen and lessons will be learned and acted on.
The problem is that any security system can be breached with sufficient inside help.
If every dangerous item was protected to the standard of the British Crown Jewels, we wouldn't have an Army trained to defend us, the weapons would never see the light of day, which is pointless.
The fact that the theft was detected shows that checks and balances were in place.
Of course it is not OK for weapons to be stolen and lessons will be learned and acted on.
Jan 10th 2007, 10:53 am
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Re: How did the Oz army lose 6 anti tank rocket launchers?
Arkon, I don't think security is lax in ADF bases, I think they are at a level where soldiers can go about their daily business without having the burden of too many checks and barriers.
The problem is that any security system can be breached with sufficient inside help.
If every dangerous item was protected to the standard of the British Crown Jewels, we wouldn't have an Army trained to defend us, the weapons would never see the light of day, which is pointless.
The fact that the theft was detected shows that checks and balances were in place.
Of course it is not OK for weapons to be stolen and lessons will be learned and acted on.
The problem is that any security system can be breached with sufficient inside help.
If every dangerous item was protected to the standard of the British Crown Jewels, we wouldn't have an Army trained to defend us, the weapons would never see the light of day, which is pointless.
The fact that the theft was detected shows that checks and balances were in place.
Of course it is not OK for weapons to be stolen and lessons will be learned and acted on.
Jan 10th 2007, 2:20 pm
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Re: How did the Oz army lose 6 anti tank rocket launchers?
No, that's not what I said. The point is that there is no way to have total maximum security that could prevent anyone from ever hurting anyone else.
