How did the Oz army lose 6 anti tank rocket launchers?
Jan 6th 2007, 9:16 am
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Re: How did the Oz army lose 6 anti tank rocket launchers?
As someone else said earlier this sounds like an inside job, of the kind which could (and does) happen in any country. It does not show that the Australian Army has a lack of basic security.
Several people have made comments about the ADF being unprofessional and implied that they are not a 'proper' army - I hope that those comments were made purely as jokes, because the truth is that the ADF is very much a professional defense force, they work with British and other armed forces and exchange personnel, and they are investing a damn sight more proportionally in their forces than the British are in theirs.
Several people have made comments about the ADF being unprofessional and implied that they are not a 'proper' army - I hope that those comments were made purely as jokes, because the truth is that the ADF is very much a professional defense force, they work with British and other armed forces and exchange personnel, and they are investing a damn sight more proportionally in their forces than the British are in theirs.
Jan 6th 2007, 9:20 am
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Re: How did the Oz army lose 6 anti tank rocket launchers?
You just must be an Australian, there is no other reason that you could think that having 6 RPG's stolen wasn't due to a lack of security but due to an inside job. I could be wrong and correct me if I am, but even if it was an inside job it is STILL a lack of security. It's not like they had an armoury full of muffins is it? Whilst I laud your attempt to gloss over and talk away and justify such a loss, I have to say that it's this kind of Australian mentality of not taking any fault or incompetence seriously that means the Country will never improve itself.
OK, in an ideal world there would be foolproof security ensuring that noone could possibly break the rules. In reality, all organisations have an element of human error - presumably there were people in this situation who were put in a position of trust and abused that position. Unfortunately that is not something that is unique to Australians.
In fact I am not officially Australian, not yet, but it gives me a glow inside to know that you think I could be one! When I get told to eff-off coz I am a blinking pom I will refer them to your beliefs.
I did just glance at the rest of your post with a view to refuting it, but I won't bother - I don't think anything I or anyone else says will change your views, which of course you are quite entitled to as long as you realise that your opinions are not necessarily fact. How's life on the farm going?
Jan 6th 2007, 10:24 am
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Re: How did the Oz army lose 6 anti tank rocket launchers?
I've just seen on the news that half a dozen rocket launchers were stolen from the military and then sold to home grown terrorists! It seems to me a much better anti terrorist measure would be better padlocks rather than wasting time on ID cards and extending citizenship waiting periods, which deter terrorists how exactly?
Pales into insignificance tho if the stories about missing Russian nukes are true. :scared:
I just hope they keep the shed locked up that contains the tank.
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Jan 6th 2007, 10:50 am
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Re: How did the Oz army lose 6 anti tank rocket launchers?
he'd have to have a licence before using it too, this is Australia after all. He could probably get one at Toombul Post Office off the nice lady who doesn't like the English. As long as he has a non-English passport for ID, she'll probably issue a "LIcence for use of rocket launching equipment" on the spot 
I wonder why.....
Jan 6th 2007, 12:18 pm
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Re: How did the Oz army lose 6 anti tank rocket launchers?
You just must be an Australian, there is no other reason that you could think that having 6 RPG's stolen wasn't due to a lack of security but due to an inside job. I could be wrong and correct me if I am, but even if it was an inside job it is STILL a lack of security. It's not like they had an armoury full of muffins is it? Whilst I laud your attempt to gloss over and talk away and justify such a loss, I have to say that it's this kind of Australian mentality of not taking any fault or incompetence seriously that means the Country will never improve itself.
Jan 6th 2007, 1:15 pm
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Re: How did the Oz army lose 6 anti tank rocket launchers?
In the film, Gallipoli, with Mel Gibson (great Australian film, unfortunately there hasnt been many since) British generals were represented as callous and incompetent, sending the gung-ho Aussie troops to their deaths when it was clear their battle strategy was not working. From what I have read, the whole battle was a complete folly, and opinion on England being the Mother Country began to errode from that moment on.
Jan 6th 2007, 1:19 pm
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Jan 6th 2007, 1:35 pm
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Re: How did the Oz army lose 6 anti tank rocket launchers?
Melons.
Sorry, what was the question again?
Last edited by gardnma; Jan 6th 2007 at 2:07 pm. Reason: Got bored and wanted something to do.
Jan 6th 2007, 3:58 pm
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Re: How did the Oz army lose 6 anti tank rocket launchers?
Still - thoroughly enjoyed this thread - thanks for the new signature Arkon.
Jan 6th 2007, 4:52 pm
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Re: How did the Oz army lose 6 anti tank rocket launchers?
The rocket launchers really can't do that much damage apart from taking out a car or a tank if lucky, a bag of fertiliser mixed with other things can do much more damage like the Bali bombings, a rocket laucher fired at a building can only take out a single floor, while a fertiliser bomb can take out an entire building.
They said a rocket laucher fired at the lucas heights nuclear reactor would have no chance of destroying or causing a leak.
They said a rocket laucher fired at the lucas heights nuclear reactor would have no chance of destroying or causing a leak.
Jan 6th 2007, 5:45 pm
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Re: How did the Oz army lose 6 anti tank rocket launchers?
It was Winnie Churchill's idea. Not his finest moment that's for sure.
For the record:
Aussie deaths at Gallipolli: 12000
UK deaths at Gallipolli: 35000
For the record:
Aussie deaths at Gallipolli: 12000
UK deaths at Gallipolli: 35000
Jan 6th 2007, 6:43 pm
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Re: How did the Oz army lose 6 anti tank rocket launchers?
If you take time to study the whole campaign, it can be seen that a lot of the Australian attacks, not all but a lot were on the orders of senior Australian Officers.
Very few senior British or Australian officers came out of Gallipoli with much credit.
Jan 6th 2007, 7:09 pm
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Re: How did the Oz army lose 6 anti tank rocket launchers?
The rocket launchers really can't do that much damage apart from taking out a car or a tank if lucky, a bag of fertiliser mixed with other things can do much more damage like the Bali bombings, a rocket laucher fired at a building can only take out a single floor, while a fertiliser bomb can take out an entire building.
They said a rocket laucher fired at the lucas heights nuclear reactor would have no chance of destroying or causing a leak.
They said a rocket laucher fired at the lucas heights nuclear reactor would have no chance of destroying or causing a leak.
Jan 6th 2007, 7:12 pm
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Re: How did the Oz army lose 6 anti tank rocket launchers?
Scoff Hutch, and welcome back by the way, my current sparing partners even when combined don't come up to half your IQ. Like your sig by the way.