Cane Toads
Dec 15th 2008, 3:59 am
#48
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Re: Cane Toads
Anyone who thinks that killing a few cane toads is going to have any impact on their population is in cloud cuckoo land. I evicted one from the house the other day. Let it go into the garden. I could have killed it, but there are about a million in the surrounding square km and one of them would simply move in to replace it.
Same thing with cats, rabbits etc. They are now part of the Australian fauna and there is nothing anyone can do about it. The original Australian fauna either competes or goes extinct. 'Twas ever thus.
Same thing with cats, rabbits etc. They are now part of the Australian fauna and there is nothing anyone can do about it. The original Australian fauna either competes or goes extinct. 'Twas ever thus.
Dec 15th 2008, 6:37 am
#49
Joined: Oct 2007
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Re: Cane Toads
Anyone who thinks that killing a few cane toads is going to have any impact on their population is in cloud cuckoo land. I evicted one from the house the other day. Let it go into the garden. I could have killed it, but there are about a million in the surrounding square km and one of them would simply move in to replace it.
Same thing with cats, rabbits etc. They are now part of the Australian fauna and there is nothing anyone can do about it. The original Australian fauna either competes or goes extinct. 'Twas ever thus.
Same thing with cats, rabbits etc. They are now part of the Australian fauna and there is nothing anyone can do about it. The original Australian fauna either competes or goes extinct. 'Twas ever thus.
Dec 16th 2008, 10:16 pm
#51
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Re: Cane Toads
I wasn't referring to you specifically, I said "those who believe in the rights of all animals to live". I also made no reference to any torture of animlas never mind whether or not people who do not believe in torture are or are not less concerned about indigenous wildlife. I have therefore not reached the conclusion you imply.
Further I made no comment on the relative benefits of the type of death on the environment. Clealry there is no actual differnence on the environmental impact (beyond the individual toad) on how a toad is killed.
My point was simply that more people are willing to kill toads by means other than freezing; that clealry leads to more toads being killed than would otherwise.
I suggest if you want to make an argument that you stick to debating points actually made rather than choosing to argue about something that wasn't stated.
Further I made no comment on the relative benefits of the type of death on the environment. Clealry there is no actual differnence on the environmental impact (beyond the individual toad) on how a toad is killed.
My point was simply that more people are willing to kill toads by means other than freezing; that clealry leads to more toads being killed than would otherwise.
I suggest if you want to make an argument that you stick to debating points actually made rather than choosing to argue about something that wasn't stated.
How odd you think that just because I believe in not torturing animals and giving them a better death, makes me less concerned for the indigenous wildlife.
How have you reached that conclusion exactly?
And your second point, how will collecting 100 toads a night and putting them to death through kinder methods do less than someone willing to bash 100 toads over the head? Can you tell me exactly what advantage to animal welfare this has? I'm struggling to see your point so perhaps you can enlighten us all.
How have you reached that conclusion exactly?
And your second point, how will collecting 100 toads a night and putting them to death through kinder methods do less than someone willing to bash 100 toads over the head? Can you tell me exactly what advantage to animal welfare this has? I'm struggling to see your point so perhaps you can enlighten us all.
Dec 16th 2008, 10:24 pm
#52
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Re: Cane Toads
Quick question: Who would win a fight between a cane toad and a huntsman spider 
Dec 16th 2008, 10:30 pm
#53
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Re: Cane Toads
I wasn't referring to you specifically, I said "those who believe in the rights of all animals to live". I also made no reference to any torture of animlas never mind whether or not people who do not believe in torture are or are not less concerned about indigenous wildlife. I have therefore not reached the conclusion you imply.
Further I made no comment on the relative benefits of the type of death on the environment. Clealry there is no actual differnence on the environmental impact (beyond the individual toad) on how a toad is killed.
My point was simply that more people are willing to kill toads by means other than freezing; that clealry leads to more toads being killed than would otherwise.
I suggest if you want to make an argument that you stick to debating points actually made rather than choosing to argue about something that wasn't stated.
Further I made no comment on the relative benefits of the type of death on the environment. Clealry there is no actual differnence on the environmental impact (beyond the individual toad) on how a toad is killed.
My point was simply that more people are willing to kill toads by means other than freezing; that clealry leads to more toads being killed than would otherwise.
I suggest if you want to make an argument that you stick to debating points actually made rather than choosing to argue about something that wasn't stated.
Salt sounds good but it would cost a fortune to dispose of the amount a good golf club can handle a club would never wear out if used correctly.
Plus you can save on the cost of golf balls, lol.........
Dec 16th 2008, 11:50 pm
#55
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Re: Cane Toads
I would not bother with this one m8, your gonna end up in a massive argument with her, have you seen the previous posts. She is a toad loving activist, she seems to think a good freezing is a better death than an instant clubbing with a no3 wood.
Salt sounds good but it would cost a fortune to dispose of the amount a good golf club can handle a club would never wear out if used correctly.
Plus you can save on the cost of golf balls, lol.........
Salt sounds good but it would cost a fortune to dispose of the amount a good golf club can handle a club would never wear out if used correctly.
Plus you can save on the cost of golf balls, lol.........
Dec 16th 2008, 11:55 pm
#57
Joined: Oct 2007
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Re: Cane Toads
My point was simply that more people are willing to kill toads by means other than freezing; that clealry leads to more toads being killed than would otherwise.
I suggest if you want to make an argument that you stick to debating points actually made rather than choosing to argue about something that wasn't stated.
You've just avoided them totally and called into question my arguing ability, which is all very well and good but leaves things unanswered.
Dec 17th 2008, 1:16 am
#58
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Re: Cane Toads
Just filled our pool up and waiting for everything to settle and so far we have rescued 5 toads in 12 hours.
We have looked on the internet and they are Cane Toads which are supposed to be killed - what is the most humanitarian way? We could put a severely injured animal out of its misery but to kill a perfectly healthy animal is something I really have a problem with.
Is there anyway to prevent other small creatures getting in the pool which won't make the pool fencing look worse than it will do when installed. We still have temporary fencing up at the moment.
Any suggestions appreciated.
We have looked on the internet and they are Cane Toads which are supposed to be killed - what is the most humanitarian way? We could put a severely injured animal out of its misery but to kill a perfectly healthy animal is something I really have a problem with.
Is there anyway to prevent other small creatures getting in the pool which won't make the pool fencing look worse than it will do when installed. We still have temporary fencing up at the moment.
Any suggestions appreciated.
Dec 17th 2008, 2:14 am
#59
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Re: Cane Toads
Cane toads aren't in South Australia. They don't go south of the border.
Dec 17th 2008, 3:47 am
#60
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Re: Cane Toads
Cane toads are a serial pest, they are top of their food chain and so displace indigineous wildlife. They may also kill your dog/cat.
You may have qulams about killing them but by rescuing them you are allowing them to kill wildlife that is naturally here.
Apaprently catching then freezing is a humane way to kill them.
I found that placing a lot of table salt on their back is very effective, others recommend Domestos (and presumably bleach), which may be less humane but as I suggest, you will be doing good for the environment by exterminating cane toads.
You may have qulams about killing them but by rescuing them you are allowing them to kill wildlife that is naturally here.
Apaprently catching then freezing is a humane way to kill them.
I found that placing a lot of table salt on their back is very effective, others recommend Domestos (and presumably bleach), which may be less humane but as I suggest, you will be doing good for the environment by exterminating cane toads.