I'm intrigued by the inclusion of haemmorhoid cream. For what purpose?

I think they're trying to genetically engineer a virus of some description to make the toads sterile . . . although I may be getting confused with Jurassic Park . . . so don't quote me on it!

I believe the cream anaesthetises them, then put them in frdige at 4C for half an hour then into the freezer. They will sow down and their body temp drops and they die humanely apparently.

Problem with this method, I suspect, is few people are prepared to do it. You also need to be wearing gloves and eye protection and of course have to handle the toad directly.

Most people I know seem to ahve a preference for running them over, using dettol or salt. WHile these may be inhumane, the willingness of people to use these methods is presumably a more effective control on numbers than by freezing them.

I've frozen a good few, just drop a tupperware on top, slide the lid underneath, Bob's your uncle. Mind those big mothers can't half jump, so you need to keep a bit of weight on the box.

And please spare a thought for all those disabled frogs that mankind has created

Totally agree! and not only that I know people who will happily kill snakes, running over them deliberately when they are only sunning themselves.... and just about anything else in their path, think nothing of it... and then claim to be an "animal lover"

toads, Goats, pigs rabbits etc are only here cos PEOPLE brought them here! It does NOT give people the right to torture them, and what well balanced person would want to anyway??:curse:

I think the Preparation H paralyses them actually.

I cannot possibly imagine how a slow agonizing freezing death can be more merciful than a quick bat around the head which will kill instantly.

Obviously some people cannot stand blood and gore and prefer to think they are more civilized by freezing an animal rather than being violent towards it, but surely it is what quickly kills the animal with the least amount of suffering that counts.

I think a bat, brick or any heavy object that will instantly smash the brain would be best.

I think the RSPCA's only objection is whether or not a single blow kills. If you aim accuratley and use sufficent force to kill instantly, or ensure you aim centrally with the wheels of your car, then I see no objection to killing toads in this maner, aside from it being a little messy.

Those who beleive in the rights of all animals to live should be more concerned with the devastation that cane toads have on indigineous wildlife. It may seem ironic, but those willing to kill a cane toad quickly are doing more for animal welfare and the sustainability of the Austrlaian environment.

I agree with you, but there are far too many animal rights activists and doo gooders who are too blind to see the bigger picture.

Are you talking about the indigineous wildlife that people happily talk about going out and shooting i.e. Kangeroos?

I don't think there is a shortage of Kangaroos, if there shot for food then why not, Kangaroo meat is very tasty and healthy.

They are not all shot for food...they are mostly shot for sport and the bodies left to rot or end up as crab bait.

G

My point was....the reason these animals are here is because they were introduced by humans therefore a more imaginative reponse to the problem by the current inhabitants is required...... lack of consideration of indigenous wildlife is the fault of humans in the past, and is a legacy we need to deal with...that doesn't mean standards of animal welfare go out the window in my book. Is that a bigger enough picture for you?

Jackie do-gooder

Cane Toads and actually, quite a few other amphibious creatures have a natural mechanism that causes them to go into a state of hibernation quite naturally when they are cold. Obviously you don't know about that.

Here's an interesting study for you to read:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0826115906.htm

What may seem slow and agonising for you is not for a toad. They naturally go to sleep when they're cold. This is why some toads and frogs in certain countries can burrow themselves and go to sleep for a winter, or a drought, and wake up months later when the rains or heat arrives back.

I don't have any objection to blood and gore... but one smash doesn't do it for many cane toads, which results in a long, slow, agonising, bashing death.

How odd you think that just because I believe in not torturing animals and giving them a better death, makes me less concerned for the indigenous wildlife.

How have you reached that conclusion exactly?

And your second point, how will collecting 100 toads a night and putting them to death through kinder methods do less than someone willing to bash 100 toads over the head? Can you tell me exactly what advantage to animal welfare this has? I'm struggling to see your point so perhaps you can enlighten us all.