Cane Toads
Dec 11th 2008 | 10:08 am
#32
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Re: Cane Toads
Indeed... with little discrimination by many hoons who shoot for sport, to see whether the roo has a joey, (even though there are rules about this) which leaves a whole heap of baby roos having to be rescued and hand reared by volunteers who give a damn.
Dec 11th 2008 | 6:50 pm
#33
Krunchynutt
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Re: Cane Toads
I did not say anyone one here is missing the bigger picture but there are certainly a lot of activists who take things too far, in the UK they dug up a dead body to try and make a point and have attacked people.
Anyway I cannot see what the fuss is about there are more things to worry about, ie babies being killed by adults, child abuse and such than to worry about how a few toads may suffer, personally I don't care if they suffer or not, I would however not be happy to see a kangaroo shot for nothing.
Dec 11th 2008 | 6:58 pm
#34
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Re: Cane Toads
IF the death is fast there is no cruelty in either method. I would think any animal would go to sleep when being frozen, humans do the same but the feel pain, as to toads not feeling pain, I doubt it would be painless but if I am wrong I apologise and stand corrected.
Anyway I cannot see what the fuss is about there are more things to worry about, ie babies being killed by adults, child abuse and such than to worry about how a few toads may suffer, personally I don't care if they suffer or not, I would however not be happy to see a kangaroo shot for nothing.
Ok, good well I'm glad we clarified that.
Dec 12th 2008 | 9:47 am
#36
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The Brains
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Re: Cane Toads
IF the death is fast there is no cruelty in either method. I would think any animal would go to sleep when being frozen, humans do the same but the feel pain, as to toads not feeling pain, I doubt it would be painless but if I am wrong I apologise and stand corrected.
I did not say anyone one here is missing the bigger picture but there are certainly a lot of activists who take things too far, in the UK they dug up a dead body to try and make a point and have attacked people.
Anyway I cannot see what the fuss is about there are more things to worry about, ie babies being killed by adults, child abuse and such than to worry about how a few toads may suffer, personally I don't care if they suffer or not, I would however not be happy to see a kangaroo shot for nothing.
I did not say anyone one here is missing the bigger picture but there are certainly a lot of activists who take things too far, in the UK they dug up a dead body to try and make a point and have attacked people.
Anyway I cannot see what the fuss is about there are more things to worry about, ie babies being killed by adults, child abuse and such than to worry about how a few toads may suffer, personally I don't care if they suffer or not, I would however not be happy to see a kangaroo shot for nothing.
As in the Middle East you just don't get it do you! If society doesn't look after its animals who have no voice, then society will not move on an improve itself and the welfare of the human race.
I am not an animal rights activist and I object to these people and the way they do things. However if an animal needs to be put down then there is no reason or excuse for it not to be done humanely.
For your info frog/toads and snails are cold blooded and will actually go into deep hibination (sleep) when temperatures drop, so freezing is very humane as they just go to sleep before actually being frozen. You cannot in anyway compare their metabolism with a humans or warm blooded creature.
Last edited by ray2gill; Dec 12th 2008 at 9:52 am.
Dec 12th 2008 | 11:16 am
#38
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Re: Cane Toads
[QUOTE=ray2gill;7062575]My God I bet your the type of person who would love to go on a Seal pup bashing spree as well.
As in the Middle East you just don't get it do you! If society doesn't look after its animals who have no voice, then society will not move on an improve itself and the welfare of the human race.
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As in the Middle East you just don't get it do you! If society doesn't look after its animals who have no voice, then society will not move on an improve itself and the welfare of the human race.
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Last edited by noidea; Dec 12th 2008 at 11:24 am.
Dec 12th 2008 | 11:31 am
#39
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Re: Cane Toads
Christ almighty!
I get so freaking tired of saying this. Stop torturing the freaking animals. No salt, no domestos, no detol, no golf clubs...
Just pick them up, put them in a plastic tuppaware box and pop them into the freezer and they go to sleep and then die. It's really easy.
They're still animals. You don't club cute fluffy feral kittens to death do you? Cane toads still feel pain just the same as cute fluffy animals do.
Burning them with salt and detol is hugely cruel. So is putting a fork through them.
It's a joke. There are so many introduced animals in Australia. Even dingos aren't 'native' but they've been here so long that Australia thinks they're the native dog.
Cows and sheep aren't native. Blackbirds aren't native. Pigs aren't native...
Humans do far worse damage to the environment in Australia... Look what we've done with farming ... turned much of the place into a desert.
Ironically, the toads were imported from Hawaii to get rid of the Greyback beetle, which was destroying the sugarcane crop. Problem was, the beetle could fly and the Cane Toad couldn't. DOH!
Just another example of sheer stupidity... like bringing rabbits over for food and introducing foxes here so the posh twits could go hunting.
In 2002 the Aus gvt said that it was working on something which would stop the tadpoles of the Cane toads developing into full toads, but I've heard nothing more since. There's also talk of introducing a parasite which will stop the lungs of the toad working and they'll die quickly.
But the bottom line is that cane toads are hugely sucessful breeders and unless you are searching the waterways for their eggs (like a chain or rope of spawn in usually still water) then you haven't got a cat in hell's chance of controlling them by killing them off every night unless there's a community wide approach to doing so.
Aussies used to keep toads as pets. You might like to have a giggle and watch this some time:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS.../broughsbooks/
But please don't think it's acceptable to torture animals, just because they're amphibians.
I get so freaking tired of saying this. Stop torturing the freaking animals. No salt, no domestos, no detol, no golf clubs...
Just pick them up, put them in a plastic tuppaware box and pop them into the freezer and they go to sleep and then die. It's really easy.
They're still animals. You don't club cute fluffy feral kittens to death do you? Cane toads still feel pain just the same as cute fluffy animals do.
Burning them with salt and detol is hugely cruel. So is putting a fork through them.
It's a joke. There are so many introduced animals in Australia. Even dingos aren't 'native' but they've been here so long that Australia thinks they're the native dog.
Cows and sheep aren't native. Blackbirds aren't native. Pigs aren't native...
Humans do far worse damage to the environment in Australia... Look what we've done with farming ... turned much of the place into a desert.
Ironically, the toads were imported from Hawaii to get rid of the Greyback beetle, which was destroying the sugarcane crop. Problem was, the beetle could fly and the Cane Toad couldn't. DOH!
Just another example of sheer stupidity... like bringing rabbits over for food and introducing foxes here so the posh twits could go hunting.
In 2002 the Aus gvt said that it was working on something which would stop the tadpoles of the Cane toads developing into full toads, but I've heard nothing more since. There's also talk of introducing a parasite which will stop the lungs of the toad working and they'll die quickly.
But the bottom line is that cane toads are hugely sucessful breeders and unless you are searching the waterways for their eggs (like a chain or rope of spawn in usually still water) then you haven't got a cat in hell's chance of controlling them by killing them off every night unless there's a community wide approach to doing so.
Aussies used to keep toads as pets. You might like to have a giggle and watch this some time:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS.../broughsbooks/
But please don't think it's acceptable to torture animals, just because they're amphibians.
You are upset because someone may or may not kill a toad with a bat, which if performed correctly will result in instant death.
Your argument against this is that if not performed correctly then it may result in a slow painful death.
Yet you condone the use of a parasite which will stop the lung of the toad working, this will not be a quick death it will be slow and painful.
You are obviously upset about all the dickheads who play golf with toads, fair enough I don't agree with that either, but there is nothing wrong with clubbing a toad if performed correctly, just because you don't like the idea does not make it barbaric or violent.
The comment you made about damage to the environment by farming is just bloody stupid, people have to eat, or perhaps you know a better way, would you prefer people go hungry so toads have more room to live.
Dec 12th 2008 | 11:43 am
#40
Krunchynutt
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Re: Cane Toads
Its a good job you are a minority or the meat industry would grind to a halt in a day.
Dec 12th 2008 | 1:13 pm
#41
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Re: Cane Toads
Have you had a quick blow to the head? This is the point of the thread. That is, that it is quite often NOT a quick blow to the head... it's repeated blows with different instruments which do not kill and which leave animals to bleed to death in pain for much longer. THAT is the point, which you keep missing.
So far, that's twice you've projected human emotions on amphibians. This is called 'anthropomorphism' fyi. You have no idea whether the toad feels fear about getting cold yet you use it to justify bashing something over the head.
performed correctly is far more merciful than being stuck in someones freezer scared sh1tless for half a night.
Dec 14th 2008 | 5:14 am
#42
Krunchynutt
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Re: Cane Toads
Have you had a quick blow to the head? This is the point of the thread. That is, that it is quite often NOT a quick blow to the head... it's repeated blows with different instruments which do not kill and which leave animals to bleed to death in pain for much longer. THAT is the point, which you keep missing.
So far, that's twice you've projected human emotions on amphibians. This is called 'anthropomorphism' fyi. You have no idea whether the toad feels fear about getting cold yet you use it to justify bashing something over the head.
So far, that's twice you've projected human emotions on amphibians. This is called 'anthropomorphism' fyi. You have no idea whether the toad feels fear about getting cold yet you use it to justify bashing something over the head.
or shove it in your freezer. END OF DISCUSSION.
Dec 14th 2008 | 9:13 am
#43
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Re: Cane Toads
I also dislike the method of it being a 'sport' which is encouraged in Australia... kids do it 'for fun' as do a lot of adults.
Yet you condone the use of a parasite which will stop the lung of the toad working, this will not be a quick death it will be slow and painful.
You are obviously upset about all the dickheads who play golf with toads, fair enough I don't agree with that either, but there is nothing wrong with clubbing a toad if performed correctly, just because you don't like the idea does not make it barbaric or violent.
Ray touched on something I agree with.... and that's respecting a creature's life enough to end it kindly.
It's interesting to note that kids who later turn into serial killers for example, spent much of their time torturing animals when they were kids.
I use this as an extreme case, obviously, but killing animals in a way which is tortuous or brutal is obviously not a healthy thing for kids to be doing.
The comment you made about damage to the environment by farming is just bloody stupid, people have to eat, or perhaps you know a better way, would you prefer people go hungry so toads have more room to live.
And I bet you're loving the flies it generated that now won't go away.
Dec 14th 2008 | 9:17 am
#44
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Re: Cane Toads
No I wasn't, but if that's the end of your ability to discuss, then fair enough.
Dec 14th 2008 | 9:58 am
#45
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Re: Cane Toads
Sorry for jumping to the wrong conclusion.
Can't imagine how kids can be allowed to roam the neighbourhood wandering into gardens at will, torturing animals.
And as for you stopping it, I guess you can always get involved with a local group who rounds these creatures up and disposes of them by freezing... or why not even speak to the kids? Or write to your local paper? Or ask your council about starting up a local frog watch group if you haven't got one.
Can't imagine how kids can be allowed to roam the neighbourhood wandering into gardens at will, torturing animals.
And as for you stopping it, I guess you can always get involved with a local group who rounds these creatures up and disposes of them by freezing... or why not even speak to the kids? Or write to your local paper? Or ask your council about starting up a local frog watch group if you haven't got one.
