Australia + Global Warming
Jan 31st 2007 | 7:09 pm
#46
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Re: Australia + Global Warming
Isn't it comical how many of the politicians and the great & the good who are banging on about the "environment" have done more than their share of increasing the population?
Tony Blair: 4 children
Al Gore : 3 children
Morris Iemma: 4 children
Duke of Edinburgh: 4 children
Tony Abbott: 3 children
How on earth do they expect to be taken seriously when the root cause of environmental degradation is, fundamentally, too many people: too few resources?
Tony Blair: 4 children
Al Gore : 3 children
Morris Iemma: 4 children
Duke of Edinburgh: 4 children
Tony Abbott: 3 children
How on earth do they expect to be taken seriously when the root cause of environmental degradation is, fundamentally, too many people: too few resources?
Jan 31st 2007 | 7:33 pm
#47
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Re: Australia + Global Warming
>> I think it may take more than all of those things put together. Maybe a paradigm shift in thinking about contraceptives from the Pope would help... <<
Absolutely - but can you see God changing his mind merely because the human race is about to self destruct?
>> On this count, at least the Chinese are making an effort. Though it may seem harsh, the 'one set of parents, one child' birth control regime is a step in the right direction. <<
Absolutely.
Isn't it comical how many of the politicians and the great & the good who are banging on about the "environment" have done more than their share of increasing the population?
Tony Blair: 4 children
Al Gore : 3 children
Morris Iemma: 4 children
Duke of Edinburgh: 4 children
Tony Abbott: 3 children
How on earth do they expect to be taken seriously when the root cause of environmental degradation is, fundamentally, too many people: too few resources?
Absolutely - but can you see God changing his mind merely because the human race is about to self destruct?
>> On this count, at least the Chinese are making an effort. Though it may seem harsh, the 'one set of parents, one child' birth control regime is a step in the right direction. <<
Absolutely.
Isn't it comical how many of the politicians and the great & the good who are banging on about the "environment" have done more than their share of increasing the population?
Tony Blair: 4 children
Al Gore : 3 children
Morris Iemma: 4 children
Duke of Edinburgh: 4 children
Tony Abbott: 3 children
How on earth do they expect to be taken seriously when the root cause of environmental degradation is, fundamentally, too many people: too few resources?
Jan 31st 2007 | 7:41 pm
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Re: Australia + Global Warming
It's surprising in a way that we've lasted this long. The breathable atmosphere is only around 3 or 4 miles deep for most people: 6 miles maximum. The distance from one side of a smallish town to the other. The thickness of a sheet of tissue on a medicine ball.....
Jan 31st 2007 | 7:59 pm
#49
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Re: Australia + Global Warming
I know that many independant experts on the subject of global warming state that man contributes to it in a very small and insignificant way.
Global Warming is a natural process of the earth that has been going on for millions of years. remember the world was covered in ice not too long ago, how do you think it melted? global warming! Our planet has been shifting and moving and changing ever since it first came into being, it is an evolving planet. I think we are arrogant to assume that now we are here that the earth should stop changing.
All our efforts should be focussed on learning to adapt with new conditions that are going to affect our lives, trying to stop it happening is short sighted and stupid to be quite frank. I remember not too long ago the greens were harping on about climate change and ozone layers etc.. every major Goverment in the world would not have a word of it, they had the experts, they knew that man never contributed that much to the problem. What has changed? As soon as someone ushered the magic words "Green Tax" the goalposts were moved.
This is exactly what the government wanted, Man caused climate change, A: we have something else to worry about, the more we worry the less we complain about the measures being employed by governments to control our lives and remove our freedoms, Just like the current situation with terrorists that are "waiting around every corner".
B: we pay for it all through the masssive increases in tax that we are being asked to pay - Green Tax. Perfect!
Global Warming is a natural process of the earth that has been going on for millions of years. remember the world was covered in ice not too long ago, how do you think it melted? global warming! Our planet has been shifting and moving and changing ever since it first came into being, it is an evolving planet. I think we are arrogant to assume that now we are here that the earth should stop changing.
All our efforts should be focussed on learning to adapt with new conditions that are going to affect our lives, trying to stop it happening is short sighted and stupid to be quite frank. I remember not too long ago the greens were harping on about climate change and ozone layers etc.. every major Goverment in the world would not have a word of it, they had the experts, they knew that man never contributed that much to the problem. What has changed? As soon as someone ushered the magic words "Green Tax" the goalposts were moved.
This is exactly what the government wanted, Man caused climate change, A: we have something else to worry about, the more we worry the less we complain about the measures being employed by governments to control our lives and remove our freedoms, Just like the current situation with terrorists that are "waiting around every corner".
B: we pay for it all through the masssive increases in tax that we are being asked to pay - Green Tax. Perfect!
Last edited by The Murphsters; Jan 31st 2007 at 8:14 pm.
Jan 31st 2007 | 9:21 pm
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Re: Australia + Global Warming
Kyoto probably was not the right answer - like many things it was mainly to show politicians "doing something".
Some of he signatories have actually increased their CO2 emissions substantially - Canada springs to mind.
The thing that really amuses me no end in this is the number of articles, debates, TV docs, Al Gore films etc etc - yet almost never is the fact that the global population is increasing at an astronomical rate mentioned!
The world population doubled, IIRC, between the sixties and now and is "due" to almost double again over the next few decades. So, in round terms, if we all halved our consumption - in 50 years we will be in exactly the same state!
Please don't frighten the kiddies.....
Some of he signatories have actually increased their CO2 emissions substantially - Canada springs to mind.
The thing that really amuses me no end in this is the number of articles, debates, TV docs, Al Gore films etc etc - yet almost never is the fact that the global population is increasing at an astronomical rate mentioned!
The world population doubled, IIRC, between the sixties and now and is "due" to almost double again over the next few decades. So, in round terms, if we all halved our consumption - in 50 years we will be in exactly the same state!
Please don't frighten the kiddies.....
Jan 31st 2007 | 9:54 pm
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Jan 31st 2007 | 10:22 pm
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Re: Australia + Global Warming
I know that many independant experts on the subject of global warming state that man contributes to it in a very small and insignificant way.
Global Warming is a natural process of the earth that has been going on for millions of years. remember the world was covered in ice not too long ago, how do you think it melted? global warming! Our planet has been shifting and moving and changing ever since it first came into being, it is an evolving planet. I think we are arrogant to assume that now we are here that the earth should stop changing.
All our efforts should be focussed on learning to adapt with new conditions that are going to affect our lives, trying to stop it happening is short sighted and stupid to be quite frank. I remember not too long ago the greens were harping on about climate change and ozone layers etc.. every major Goverment in the world would not have a word of it, they had the experts, they knew that man never contributed that much to the problem. What has changed? As soon as someone ushered the magic words "Green Tax" the goalposts were moved.
This is exactly what the government wanted, Man caused climate change, A: we have something else to worry about, the more we worry the less we complain about the measures being employed by governments to control our lives and remove our freedoms, Just like the current situation with terrorists that are "waiting around every corner".
B: we pay for it all through the masssive increases in tax that we are being asked to pay - Green Tax. Perfect!
Global Warming is a natural process of the earth that has been going on for millions of years. remember the world was covered in ice not too long ago, how do you think it melted? global warming! Our planet has been shifting and moving and changing ever since it first came into being, it is an evolving planet. I think we are arrogant to assume that now we are here that the earth should stop changing.
All our efforts should be focussed on learning to adapt with new conditions that are going to affect our lives, trying to stop it happening is short sighted and stupid to be quite frank. I remember not too long ago the greens were harping on about climate change and ozone layers etc.. every major Goverment in the world would not have a word of it, they had the experts, they knew that man never contributed that much to the problem. What has changed? As soon as someone ushered the magic words "Green Tax" the goalposts were moved.
This is exactly what the government wanted, Man caused climate change, A: we have something else to worry about, the more we worry the less we complain about the measures being employed by governments to control our lives and remove our freedoms, Just like the current situation with terrorists that are "waiting around every corner".
B: we pay for it all through the masssive increases in tax that we are being asked to pay - Green Tax. Perfect!
No longer: climatologists, solar scientists, biologists, oceanographers and every other "ist" you can think of (and several that you can't) overwhelmingly have come to the same conclusion, within a small margin of error.
What is alarming - more alarming - is the number of positive feedback mechanisms that are coming to light. For example, the melting of the Siberian permafrost is liberating vast amounts of methane, a far more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2. And it appears that the warming may have been held down by atmospheric volcanic dust over the last few years so the warming effect has been underestimated.
Actually, I agree with you but for a different reason - I think it's probably too late to avert a major climatic change whatever we do: climatic inertia is measured in decades at least. Enjoy while we can!
Feb 1st 2007 | 7:31 am
#53
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Re: Australia + Global Warming
All water is recycled.. That glass of water you are drinking was once drank by dinosaurs, and so on.. Thank god .. Because if it was like oil or gas and one day rainout
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Feb 1st 2007 | 7:40 am
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Re: Australia + Global Warming
And I believe that, statistically, you have within you several atoms that once belonged to Isaac Newton, Robert the Bruce and anyone else you can think of!
Feb 1st 2007 | 8:59 am
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Re: Australia + Global Warming
So what if we are the worse polluters per head. There are only 20 million of us and one of the most sparsly populated countries in the world. I think the comparison should be made by pollution per square metre. Whatever pollution we produce is a knats piss in the ocean compared to the USA, China or India. Whilst we should be making plans to deal with the consequences, there is nothing Australia can do to stop it.
Well I'm sure the Americans/Chinese & Indians have the same thoughts, so lets all not bother eh and let the kids pay the price! Only 20 million sounds like a hell of a lot of people to me!
Feb 1st 2007 | 11:14 am
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Re: Australia + Global Warming
And there are lots of other 'ists' who say that this is not global warming and it is not caused by man.
Feb 1st 2007 | 12:16 pm
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Re: Australia + Global Warming
I know that many independant experts on the subject of global warming state that man contributes to it in a very small and insignificant way.
Global Warming is a natural process of the earth that has been going on for millions of years. remember the world was covered in ice not too long ago, how do you think it melted? global warming! Our planet has been shifting and moving and changing ever since it first came into being, it is an evolving planet. I think we are arrogant to assume that now we are here that the earth should stop changing.
All our efforts should be focussed on learning to adapt with new conditions that are going to affect our lives, trying to stop it happening is short sighted and stupid to be quite frank. I remember not too long ago the greens were harping on about climate change and ozone layers etc.. every major Goverment in the world would not have a word of it, they had the experts, they knew that man never contributed that much to the problem. What has changed? As soon as someone ushered the magic words "Green Tax" the goalposts were moved.
This is exactly what the government wanted, Man caused climate change, A: we have something else to worry about, the more we worry the less we complain about the measures being employed by governments to control our lives and remove our freedoms, Just like the current situation with terrorists that are "waiting around every corner".
B: we pay for it all through the masssive increases in tax that we are being asked to pay - Green Tax. Perfect!
Global Warming is a natural process of the earth that has been going on for millions of years. remember the world was covered in ice not too long ago, how do you think it melted? global warming! Our planet has been shifting and moving and changing ever since it first came into being, it is an evolving planet. I think we are arrogant to assume that now we are here that the earth should stop changing.
All our efforts should be focussed on learning to adapt with new conditions that are going to affect our lives, trying to stop it happening is short sighted and stupid to be quite frank. I remember not too long ago the greens were harping on about climate change and ozone layers etc.. every major Goverment in the world would not have a word of it, they had the experts, they knew that man never contributed that much to the problem. What has changed? As soon as someone ushered the magic words "Green Tax" the goalposts were moved.
This is exactly what the government wanted, Man caused climate change, A: we have something else to worry about, the more we worry the less we complain about the measures being employed by governments to control our lives and remove our freedoms, Just like the current situation with terrorists that are "waiting around every corner".
B: we pay for it all through the masssive increases in tax that we are being asked to pay - Green Tax. Perfect!
But wait.... it was that cold 100 years ago - can't be that out of the ordinary then. As the Murphsters said: we are arrogant to assume that now we are here that the earth should stop changing.
I'm glad John Howard has put Australia's interests and economy ahead of all this panic about global warming. Even if it we were proven that we were affecting this process, whatever Australia does now will be dwarfed by China or America anyway so would have no affect. Already Australia is quite green with solar heating and lighting anyway!
Last edited by martinw01908; Feb 1st 2007 at 12:24 pm.
Feb 1st 2007 | 12:24 pm
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Re: Australia + Global Warming
And I refer you back to my post. The 'ists' are divided. I don't think anyone can say for certain whether this is GW and is caused by man. As I dont have a Phd in Meteorology so definitely cannot draw conclusions.
