Sure, but when addressing a particular point I cannot make throw in a reference to every other possible point of interest as well...it was the use of a particular statistic to support the argument that the bad driving caused a large difference in fatalities...my point was that if a bigger percentage of people are driving, and they are driving further, then that is not a valid use of the statistic, and a more accurate statistic is available for the comparison they were trying to make so they might as well use it. And you might be a bit more polite in your responses as well.

Because its based on personal experience? In my case I don't drive half as much here as I did in the UK so that probably skews things.. but I still haven't had any experience of bad driving (other than the tailgating which certainly isn't unique to Australia). People generally acknowledge courtesy, people are generally courteous, just because most people on here don't see it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.


Unfortunately, when I went back in September/October, I frequently saw the same bad driving I saw before we left the UK.

***still shuddering over *that* incident on the M25***

Try riding a motorcycle, then get back to us. Bad driving is more easily seen through a visor.

I gave up riding a bike here mostly due to the terrible standard of driving, you just never know what they are going to do next. Drivers here are just so rude and seem to totally lack courtesy and common sense.

Is the '955' a clue to being a Triumph owner?

Very good

Had a Sprint then a Tiger in the UK - glorious engine.

Excellent, they build the most wonderful engines, the 955 and the 1050 are as you say just glorious. British engineering at it's best.

Yes, because they would severely skew the stats! There wouldn't be enough of them to have any impact on such a stat. You're talking about one percenters.

Ideally, you would base the death toll on the number of drivers there are in each country (not the population or registered vehicles), but such data wouldn't exist. The reason I chose the number of registered vehicles is simply because that data would be readily available

I have no idea how this is relevant to the different use of the word Asian in UK/OZ so I will just shut up now before I get more confused

We differentiate people according to where they live in UK, even though the individual countries are tiny both geographically and in terms of population. Then we have the ignorance and arrogance to call all people with certain physical characteristics 'Asian', showing a total disregard for their nationality. Hope that helps.

Yes, helps me understand what you were on about...I was trying to relate it back to DV's original point...no wonder I was getting no where

Not sure why grouping is always ignorant and arrogant, though I'm sure I could come up with some cases where it could be if you are precluding people of certain races from being a particular nationality. Maybe I've missed your point. If I refer to Europeans one day because I want to refer to people who reside in Europe and then Italians the next depending on the context that seems fine to me. Calling someone European doesn't mean you never call them Italian when context demands it? And it doesn't mean you are referring to look rather than nationality.

We are going to the UK for a month after living here on the Gold Coast for 6 years.

Will have to remember not to undertake or alternatively not sit in the right hand lane at 5kph less than the traffic flow because I can't be bothered to move over.

I may be naive but assume that in the UK drivers will be keeping left and for the most part paying attention.

Well I can only speak from my own experience late last year, driving on British roads again was a breath of fresh air, far less aggression, far more courtesy and an overall much better standard. I was never undertaken and yes for the most part the drivers appear to be paying attention. Of course others apparently find the total opposite.

Yep, most probably.

But enjoy sitting behind OAPs doing 20-25mph just about everywhere!