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Old Aug 2nd 2014, 2:17 am
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Originally Posted by Beoz
Where did I say the boat was sent back? I think you know very well there was a lot more to do with it than that and it was certainly acknowledged. Deal brokering with India and the like.
India obviously couldn't be bribed. Sadly for Nauru, a poor decrepit country these days, wasn't in the same position to decline.
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Originally Posted by JoeBloggs80
Actually the last boat wasn't sent back. It was left hanging around in the middle of the ocean for weeks while the government refused to acknowledge it even existed and has now arrived in WA were they are being held after a hasty backdown by Morrison.
Only because Sri Lanka wanted nothing to do with the issue once out of the bag. India played hard ball. Still there are impoverished states Australia can bully and bribe to do their dirty work.
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Originally Posted by paulry
A poor answer that avoids the fact that there's very little difference between my rellies in Africa and most of the people turning up in boats who you want asylum granted to.
Your rellies in RSA in need of asylum then? Plenty rolling up without the need of boats as economic and disgruntled migrants.
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Originally Posted by Beoz
I may be not getting what your on about, but the way I see it, the current objective is pretty simple. Lets halt or slow down the practice of people smuggling in rickety boats that ultimately lead to lots of death at sea. It's working ..... numbers have slowed .... and as a result less deaths.

What does make me laugh is that people will always claim this as an anti immigration, racist, policy. Really ..... Don't you think you may be jumping a little ahead here? Don't you think you are being a little paranoid here? Don't you think you may just be looking at any opportunity to jump on the liberal govt here? Yes to all.
What it is doing is giving a very poor name to Australia and puzzlement overseas in how few asylum seekers can make a government so toxic in actions and statements inciting bigoted elements and by the use of such demeaning language for people legally claiming asylum.
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Originally Posted by Beoz
Did you check out the cost to travel? I know its been said before that asulym seekers don't have passports, but surely making every effort to get a passport and travel by air is far more cost effective.
Or come by cruise liner and enjoy a few ports of call on the way. There is a reason why many have no passports.
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Originally Posted by the troubadour
Your rellies in RSA in need of asylum then? Plenty rolling up without the need of boats as economic and disgruntled migrants.
They could probably make a stronger case for asylum than many of those who have arrived by boat in recent years.
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Originally Posted by the troubadour
Or come by cruise liner and enjoy a few ports of call on the way. There is a reason why many have no passports.
Indeed, nor any other form of identification.
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Originally Posted by paulry
They could probably make a stronger case for asylum than many of those who have arrived by boat in recent years.
Can't think of too many. They are still privileged compared to other races or those that were in position prior to majority rule are.

Crime has just become more democratic in recent times impacting on all equally. Although of course it remains the non whites been slaughtered in greatest numbers. A case for those perhaps?
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Originally Posted by paulry
Indeed, nor any other form of identification.
But no always easy to get. The process requires over hauling but not the brutal way it is being conducted at present.
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Originally Posted by the troubadour
Can't think of too many. They are still privileged compared to other races or those that were in position prior to majority rule are.

Crime has just become more democratic in recent times impacting on all equally. Although of course it remains the non whites been slaughtered in greatest numbers. A case for those perhaps?
It's $15000 to enlist the services of a people smuggler. Not easy to come across that kind of cash if you are under-privileged.
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Me: >>You really don't understand what I'm getting at, do you?<<

knockoff nige >>Do you?<<

I keep coming back to the question I asked IIRC at the end of April, and all I get is refusal to give a straight answer (which is, to be honest, just what I was expecting.)

Let me put it in another way, in the form of sequential questions:

(1) Do you think any country (including Australia) has the capacity, let alone the obligation, to accept an unlimited number of asylum claimants? (Y/N) If Yes, go to the end.

(2) If the answer to 1 is No, then what do you think is a reasonable number to accept? (20,000? 00,000? 1m?, 10m? - or choose another number)

(3) Grabbing just a few countries out of thin air which might reasonably be said to have a human rights problem, with their approximate populations:
Nigeria 174m
Libya 6m
Egypt 82m
Syria 22m
Iraq 34m
Iran 77m
Pakistan 183m
Afghanistan 31m
Not even counting such places as China, Burma, Sudan etc, the total of those I've mentioned is 609m.
Say 10% of those claim asylum in other countries, that's 60 million people.

(4) If your answer to 2 is fewer than that 60m (which in any case is three times Australia's present population), and given the reasonable assumption that a very large proportion of those involved would prefer to settle in a first world country which allows them easy entry, just what do you think the government should do when your limit is reached? Because it *would* be reached, at some point. And the more that had already been allowed in, the larger the smuggling industry would have become.

So, once again: do you have any answer to the original, three month old, question? Because the situation now is actually exactly the same as what I have stated above - only the numbers are different.

This has nothing to do with racism, compassion, hatred etc etc: it's purely a matter of what response any government can have to what is rapidly becoming a rock/hard place dilemma.
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Me: >>You really don't understand what I'm getting at, do you?<<

knockoff nige >>Do you?<<

I keep coming back to the question I asked IIRC at the end of April, and all I get is refusal to give a straight answer (which is, to be honest, just what I was expecting.)

Let me put it in another way, in the form of sequential questions:

(1) Do you think any country (including Australia) has the capacity, let alone the obligation, to accept an unlimited number of asylum claimants? (Y/N) If Yes, go to the end.

(2) If the answer to 1 is No, then what do you think is a reasonable number to accept? (20,000? 00,000? 1m?, 10m? - or choose another number)

(3) Grabbing just a few countries out of thin air which might reasonably be said to have a human rights problem, with their approximate populations:
Nigeria 174m
Libya 6m
Egypt 82m
Syria 22m
Iraq 34m
Iran 77m
Pakistan 183m
Afghanistan 31m
Not even counting such places as China, Burma, Sudan etc, the total of those I've mentioned is 609m.
Say 10% of those claim asylum in other countries, that's 60 million people.

(4) If your answer to 2 is fewer than that 60m (which in any case is three times Australia's present population), and given the reasonable assumption that a very large proportion of those involved would prefer to settle in a first world country which allows them easy entry, just what do you think the government should do when your limit is reached? Because it *would* be reached, at some point. And the more that had already been allowed in, the larger the smuggling industry would have become.

So, once again: do you have any answer to the original, three month old, question? Because the situation now is actually exactly the same as what I have stated above - only the numbers are different.

This has nothing to do with racism, compassion, hatred etc etc: it's purely a matter of what response any government can have to what is rapidly becoming a rock/hard place dilemma.


How strange, I began to compose a similar post earlier, and then abandoned it because I thought what's the point, most people can see the truth just the same as I can - some are just hard-wired to want to flood the western world with asylum seekers and economic migrants pretending to be asylum seekers regardless of the consequences.
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Originally Posted by paulry


How strange, I began to compose a similar post earlier, and then abandoned it because I thought what's the point, most people can see the truth just the same as I can - some are just hard-wired to want to flood the western world with asylum seekers and economic migrants pretending to be asylum seekers regardless of the consequences.
I enjoyed watching Scott Morrison destroy an Australia-hating, socialist presenter on the ABC this morning

Morrison is a bit of an arrogant prick, but on this issue he is dead right

Great stuff
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Me: >>You really don't understand what I'm getting at, do you?<<

knockoff nige >>Do you?<<

I keep coming back to the question I asked IIRC at the end of April, and all I get is refusal to give a straight answer (which is, to be honest, just what I was expecting.)

Let me put it in another way, in the form of sequential questions:

(1) Do you think any country (including Australia) has the capacity, let alone the obligation, to accept an unlimited number of asylum claimants? (Y/N) If Yes, go to the end.

(2) If the answer to 1 is No, then what do you think is a reasonable number to accept? (20,000? 00,000? 1m?, 10m? - or choose another number)

(3) Grabbing just a few countries out of thin air which might reasonably be said to have a human rights problem, with their approximate populations:
Nigeria 174m
Libya 6m
Egypt 82m
Syria 22m
Iraq 34m
Iran 77m
Pakistan 183m
Afghanistan 31m
Not even counting such places as China, Burma, Sudan etc, the total of those I've mentioned is 609m.
Say 10% of those claim asylum in other countries, that's 60 million people.

(4) If your answer to 2 is fewer than that 60m (which in any case is three times Australia's present population), and given the reasonable assumption that a very large proportion of those involved would prefer to settle in a first world country which allows them easy entry, just what do you think the government should do when your limit is reached? Because it *would* be reached, at some point. And the more that had already been allowed in, the larger the smuggling industry would have become.

So, once again: do you have any answer to the original, three month old, question? Because the situation now is actually exactly the same as what I have stated above - only the numbers are different.

This has nothing to do with racism, compassion, hatred etc etc: it's purely a matter of what response any government can have to what is rapidly becoming a rock/hard place dilemma.
Another great post from the Wolmeister
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Originally Posted by Amazulu
I enjoyed watching Scott Morrison destroy an Australia-hating, socialist presenter on the ABC this morning

Morrison is a bit of an arrogant prick, but on this issue he is dead right

Great stuff
Yeah, he's doing a great job
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