View Poll Results: Air con - which do you have?
Portable unit
1
0.97%
Wall mounted reverse cycle
24
23.30%
Ducted system (reverse cycle)
59
57.28%
Ducted system (non reverse cycle)
3
2.91%
Evaporative
15
14.56%
Gas ducted heating
1
0.97%
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Air Con - Which is best?
Dec 3rd 2007, 12:18 am
#91
'In limboland'
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 13,880
Re: Air Con - Which is best?
Nonsense: airconditioning is as much as a part of a build as ovens and other buit-ins (in fact, far more so).
It's just part of the "Australian way of doing things". I can't think of any other country where such an integral part of a house build is not installed during construction.
Ours was....
It's just part of the "Australian way of doing things". I can't think of any other country where such an integral part of a house build is not installed during construction.
Ours was....
Yes. Putting in ducted A/C should be part of the building design, not an ad hoc addition. Our A/C and heating system was one of the PC items: *we* determined which of the quotes to accept and paid the builder *that* amount. There was no mark-up involved. (Except that the overall house price obviously included his profit margin.)
Dec 3rd 2007, 12:43 am
#92
Lost in BE Cyberspace
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 9,397
Re: Air Con - Which is best?
>>Reversed cycle is quite easy to install and there is next to no mess at all. Builders won't let you do it yourself before hand over because of the little matter of insurance (things walking out the door) and they won't be held responsible.<<
Was your comment - it certainly appears to mean that you cannot have A/C put in as part of the build. That is just not correct: *some* builders may have that attitude but certainly not all by any means. As I said, aircon is more of a "build installation" than ovens, dishwashers etc - which "walk" far easier than a built-in A/C unit.
>>Just because yours was it doesn't mean to say others could or did do it that way and, it isn't nonsense at all thank you very much. Tia had already said she hadn't asked her builder to install as they were going to do it themselves, so that was what I was referring to. Builders here in WA will NOT let you do any installations of your own until hand over. Our builders mark up 7 years ago was 31%, so obviously Tia didn't want to pay the builders to install her aircon because of the costs involved.<<
>>Well you were very lucky with your builder then.<<
There's luck and luck: some of it you make yourself. We spent months drawing up a Scope of Works, schedule of installation etc. The quotes were based on those. Client unrestricted access to site was a condition, as was a requirement to keep noise down from radios etc (for the neighbours' sakes).
You don't *have* to just bend over for a builder, you know!
Was your comment - it certainly appears to mean that you cannot have A/C put in as part of the build. That is just not correct: *some* builders may have that attitude but certainly not all by any means. As I said, aircon is more of a "build installation" than ovens, dishwashers etc - which "walk" far easier than a built-in A/C unit.
>>Just because yours was it doesn't mean to say others could or did do it that way and, it isn't nonsense at all thank you very much. Tia had already said she hadn't asked her builder to install as they were going to do it themselves, so that was what I was referring to. Builders here in WA will NOT let you do any installations of your own until hand over. Our builders mark up 7 years ago was 31%, so obviously Tia didn't want to pay the builders to install her aircon because of the costs involved.<<
>>Well you were very lucky with your builder then.<<
There's luck and luck: some of it you make yourself. We spent months drawing up a Scope of Works, schedule of installation etc. The quotes were based on those. Client unrestricted access to site was a condition, as was a requirement to keep noise down from radios etc (for the neighbours' sakes).
You don't *have* to just bend over for a builder, you know!
Last edited by Wol; Dec 3rd 2007 at 12:44 am. Reason: Greengrocers' apostrophe...
Dec 3rd 2007, 1:08 am
#93
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Location: Somerly, Perth
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Re: Air Con - Which is best?
Its no big deal really, we had ours put in after house was finished, it was completed within a week of order and took half a day to install, no mess at all.
We had reverse cycle with 5 zones, glad we waited as we changed the position of a couple of the air vents as we positioned our things differently once we had moved in.
Di
We had reverse cycle with 5 zones, glad we waited as we changed the position of a couple of the air vents as we positioned our things differently once we had moved in.
Di
Dec 3rd 2007, 1:18 am
#94
'In limboland'
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 13,880
Re: Air Con - Which is best?
>>Reversed cycle is quite easy to install and there is next to no mess at all. Builders won't let you do it yourself before hand over because of the little matter of insurance (things walking out the door) and they won't be held responsible.<<I think this was quite clear
Was your comment - it certainly appears to mean that you cannot have A/C put in as part of the build. That is just not correct: *some* builders may have that attitude but certainly not all by any means. As I said, aircon is more of a "build installation" than ovens, dishwashers etc - which "walk" far easier than a built-in A/C unit.
>>Just because yours was it doesn't mean to say others could or did do it that way and, it isn't nonsense at all thank you very much. Tia had already said she hadn't asked her builder to install as they were going to do it themselves, so that was what I was referring to. Builders here in WA will NOT let you do any installations of your own until hand over. Our builders mark up 7 years ago was 31%, so obviously Tia didn't want to pay the builders to install her aircon because of the costs involved.<<
>>Well you were very lucky with your builder then.<<
There's luck and luck: some of it you make yourself. We spent months drawing up a Scope of Works, schedule of installation etc. The quotes were based on those. Client unrestricted access to site was a condition, as was a requirement to keep noise down from radios etc (for the neighbours' sakes).
You don't *have* to just bend over for a builder, you know!
Was your comment - it certainly appears to mean that you cannot have A/C put in as part of the build. That is just not correct: *some* builders may have that attitude but certainly not all by any means. As I said, aircon is more of a "build installation" than ovens, dishwashers etc - which "walk" far easier than a built-in A/C unit.
>>Just because yours was it doesn't mean to say others could or did do it that way and, it isn't nonsense at all thank you very much. Tia had already said she hadn't asked her builder to install as they were going to do it themselves, so that was what I was referring to. Builders here in WA will NOT let you do any installations of your own until hand over. Our builders mark up 7 years ago was 31%, so obviously Tia didn't want to pay the builders to install her aircon because of the costs involved.<<
>>Well you were very lucky with your builder then.<<
There's luck and luck: some of it you make yourself. We spent months drawing up a Scope of Works, schedule of installation etc. The quotes were based on those. Client unrestricted access to site was a condition, as was a requirement to keep noise down from radios etc (for the neighbours' sakes).
You don't *have* to just bend over for a builder, you know!
Project builders will rarely let you on site here in WA and most people build with a project builder here.
Its no big deal really, we had ours put in after house was finished, it was completed within a week of order and took half a day to install, no mess at all.
We had reverse cycle with 5 zones, glad we waited as we changed the position of a couple of the air vents as we positioned our things differently once we had moved in.
Di
We had reverse cycle with 5 zones, glad we waited as we changed the position of a couple of the air vents as we positioned our things differently once we had moved in.
Di
Dec 3rd 2007, 2:10 am
#95
Crazy Cat Lady
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 65,493
Re: Air Con - Which is best?
I'm beginning to wish I hadn't asked the question 
Dec 3rd 2007, 2:24 am
#96
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Joined: Jan 2004
Location: Morayfield - The Posh Part
Posts: 10,138
Re: Air Con - Which is best?
1/2 a day to install a 5 zone aircon , ducted??
Bullshit !!!!!!
If they can do it in 1/2 a day, start to finish... thats incredible, absolutely unbelieveable.
In fact.. no i wont banter on, lol... im just gobsmacked the guys fitted an entire ducted system in 1/2 a day !!!!!!
Get me there number, I wannem working for me !!!
Bullshit !!!!!!
If they can do it in 1/2 a day, start to finish... thats incredible, absolutely unbelieveable.
In fact.. no i wont banter on, lol... im just gobsmacked the guys fitted an entire ducted system in 1/2 a day !!!!!!
Get me there number, I wannem working for me !!!
Dec 3rd 2007, 2:52 am
#97
'In limboland'
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 13,880
Re: Air Con - Which is best?
Shite stirrer, you just wanted to see the fallout.
Well I have to say that the fridgies we had weren't far off that. The unit was installed one night, then the next morning the duct work was finished, which left OH and I the job of deciding where we wanted the vents, cutting them out and fitting the jackets etc., OH wired it all up and hey presto.
1/2 a day to install a 5 zone aircon , ducted??
Bullshit !!!!!!
If they can do it in 1/2 a day, start to finish... thats incredible, absolutely unbelieveable.
In fact.. no i wont banter on, lol... im just gobsmacked the guys fitted an entire ducted system in 1/2 a day !!!!!!
Get me there number, I wannem working for me !!!
Bullshit !!!!!!
If they can do it in 1/2 a day, start to finish... thats incredible, absolutely unbelieveable.
In fact.. no i wont banter on, lol... im just gobsmacked the guys fitted an entire ducted system in 1/2 a day !!!!!!
Get me there number, I wannem working for me !!!
Dec 3rd 2007, 3:47 am
#99
BE Enthusiast
Joined: Sep 2004
Location: Somerly, Perth
Posts: 652
Re: Air Con - Which is best?
1/2 a day to install a 5 zone aircon , ducted??
Bullshit !!!!!!
If they can do it in 1/2 a day, start to finish... thats incredible, absolutely unbelieveable.
In fact.. no i wont banter on, lol... im just gobsmacked the guys fitted an entire ducted system in 1/2 a day !!!!!!
Get me there number, I wannem working for me !!!
Bullshit !!!!!!
If they can do it in 1/2 a day, start to finish... thats incredible, absolutely unbelieveable.
In fact.. no i wont banter on, lol... im just gobsmacked the guys fitted an entire ducted system in 1/2 a day !!!!!!
Get me there number, I wannem working for me !!!
Took the boss an hour to show me how to use it though
Ambience air, Joondalup.
Di
Dec 3rd 2007, 5:26 am
#100
BE Enthusiast
Joined: Jul 2007
Location: Queensland Australia
Posts: 612
Re: Air Con - Which is best?
[QUOTE=St.Georges Girl;5626207] We did not and never will 'bend over' for our builder
Bloody hell, lets keep this clean.
Bloody hell, lets keep this clean.
Dec 3rd 2007, 9:22 am
#102
BE Enthusiast
Joined: Feb 2006
Location: Perth since 1997
Posts: 590
Re: Air Con - Which is best?
1/2 a day to install a 5 zone aircon , ducted??
Bullshit !!!!!!
If they can do it in 1/2 a day, start to finish... thats incredible, absolutely unbelieveable.
In fact.. no i wont banter on, lol... im just gobsmacked the guys fitted an entire ducted system in 1/2 a day !!!!!!
Get me there number, I wannem working for me !!!
Bullshit !!!!!!
If they can do it in 1/2 a day, start to finish... thats incredible, absolutely unbelieveable.
In fact.. no i wont banter on, lol... im just gobsmacked the guys fitted an entire ducted system in 1/2 a day !!!!!!
Get me there number, I wannem working for me !!!
Dec 3rd 2007, 9:31 am
#103
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Location: Morayfield - The Posh Part
Posts: 10,138
Dec 3rd 2007, 10:32 am
#104
'In limboland'
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 13,880
Re: Air Con - Which is best?
Dec 3rd 2007, 11:33 am
#105
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Location: Morayfield - The Posh Part
Posts: 10,138
Re: Air Con - Which is best?
I've just showed this to my OH, who also does alot of work in the aircon business, (both domestic and industrial) and he said it is quite usual for a team to start at 7 and be finished by midday on a domestic ducted r/c install, so maybe you ought to come over to see how it's done.
Nah sok i will stay put in Brissy and annoy the foreigners
