Would you recommend your pc?
Jan 5th 2005, 1:04 pm
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Re: Would you recommend your pc?
Originally Posted by dbj1000
It's all very well being a PC user who prefers PCs to Macs, but at least get your facts about Macs right.
Microsoft did invest $150M in Apple... in 1997. At the time Apple was in financial trouble and you may be right that Gates did it to avoid another antitrust case. However, that was 7 years ago. Today Apple is growing faster than any other computer company on earth.
Yes OS X is good. The line about not having the support of apps is weak. The general quality of software for the Mac makes a convert out of almost anyone who uses Apple's iLife suite of applications such as iTunes, iPhoto and iMovie. I know that on a PC you have a choice of 75 software titles for each application you may need to do, but most users would swap them all for ONE with the quality and ease-of-use of an iTunes, for example.
And as for Viruses... having companies try to sell suckers an anti-virus package doesn't mean that there are viruses - it means there are plenty of suckers. There is no known virus loose in the wild for Mac OS X - all those virus definitions that Norton protect Mac users from are Microsoft Macro Viruses which live through the poor security of MS Office on both Macs and PCs. The only real argument for having anti-virus on a Mac is to stop you forwarding infected documents on to your poor virus-riddled PC using friends.
Virus writers can't be bothered to code for the Mac platform? Good! As a user, I don't care WHY there are no Mac viruses. I just care that there aren't any.
With a Mac I now have 100% interoperability with the Windows world in terms of documents. I have no fear of a PC riddled with hidden spyware (70%+ of PCs have one or more spyware package hidden on them - isn't that the official figure right now?). I have no fear of having to rebuild my digital life when it's eaten by today's latest PC virus. Finally, I have the easiest to use, best designed computer on the market.
So I'll live with Apple's 5% market share, its "lack" of software titles and it's "unfamiliar" interface. By all means buy a Dell, but remember that there are other options out there that just could be better in some ways.
Microsoft did invest $150M in Apple... in 1997. At the time Apple was in financial trouble and you may be right that Gates did it to avoid another antitrust case. However, that was 7 years ago. Today Apple is growing faster than any other computer company on earth.
Yes OS X is good. The line about not having the support of apps is weak. The general quality of software for the Mac makes a convert out of almost anyone who uses Apple's iLife suite of applications such as iTunes, iPhoto and iMovie. I know that on a PC you have a choice of 75 software titles for each application you may need to do, but most users would swap them all for ONE with the quality and ease-of-use of an iTunes, for example.
And as for Viruses... having companies try to sell suckers an anti-virus package doesn't mean that there are viruses - it means there are plenty of suckers. There is no known virus loose in the wild for Mac OS X - all those virus definitions that Norton protect Mac users from are Microsoft Macro Viruses which live through the poor security of MS Office on both Macs and PCs. The only real argument for having anti-virus on a Mac is to stop you forwarding infected documents on to your poor virus-riddled PC using friends.
Virus writers can't be bothered to code for the Mac platform? Good! As a user, I don't care WHY there are no Mac viruses. I just care that there aren't any.
With a Mac I now have 100% interoperability with the Windows world in terms of documents. I have no fear of a PC riddled with hidden spyware (70%+ of PCs have one or more spyware package hidden on them - isn't that the official figure right now?). I have no fear of having to rebuild my digital life when it's eaten by today's latest PC virus. Finally, I have the easiest to use, best designed computer on the market.
So I'll live with Apple's 5% market share, its "lack" of software titles and it's "unfamiliar" interface. By all means buy a Dell, but remember that there are other options out there that just could be better in some ways.
"Despite the popular misconception that Mac users aren't affected by the virus plague, Apple customers need to take the virus threat seriously," said Phil Wood, product manager for Sophos Anti-Virus.
Infact, here are known trojans/viruses written for the Mac OSx
http://securityresponse.symantec.com...p3concept.html
http://securityresponse.symantec.com...04.trojan.html
http://securityresponse.symantec.com....renepo.b.html
But, all that aside, the OP doesnt want a MAC, it wasnt even suggested and why? because 95% of companies and home users use a Microsoft OS and its Apps, the hardware/software is expensive (30 programs for what winzip does for example, means 30 times the competition for pricing), user base is limited, and Windows is too established. Apple might be growing, but i would think that its thanks to its IPOD - although this is an intersting link http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=9330
For the OP, remember Mac OSX needs Mac hardware, Windows XXXX needs generic hardware.
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Jan 5th 2005, 1:16 pm
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Re: Would you recommend your pc?
I have a Dell 4600C which I have had for 18 months now without any problems. When I tried to contact their etchnical service on occasions for advice I did get the run round a bit so I dropped a letter to some guy Called Michael at their HQ. Soon got a phone call and eventually $100 refund for the aggro I had had. I have had 2 HP computers and would not take one even if it was offered free. You pays your money you make the choice. 
Jan 5th 2005, 2:20 pm
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Re: Would you recommend your pc?
It would depend on what you intend on using your puter for, for games and hardcore graphics, I wouldn't use Dell, or any of those big names, the puters are shite and even worse to upgrade, and all the shite you get with it, you probably don't need, but if it's your first puter, it's an okay place to start.
Much better to get one custom built to what you'll actually be using it for, be chaeper and get a better machine for the money, can save loads, $400 of parts will get you lot better than double that from dell.
Have a look at www.pricewatch.com for prices at various places.
Much better to get one custom built to what you'll actually be using it for, be chaeper and get a better machine for the money, can save loads, $400 of parts will get you lot better than double that from dell.
Have a look at www.pricewatch.com for prices at various places.
Jan 5th 2005, 3:31 pm
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Re: Would you recommend your pc?
Originally Posted by Bob
It would depend on what you intend on using your puter for, for games and hardcore graphics, I wouldn't use Dell, or any of those big names, the puters are shite and even worse to upgrade, and all the shite you get with it, you probably don't need, but if it's your first puter, it's an okay place to start.
Much better to get one custom built to what you'll actually be using it for, be chaeper and get a better machine for the money, can save loads, $400 of parts will get you lot better than double that from dell.
Have a look at www.pricewatch.com for prices at various places.
Much better to get one custom built to what you'll actually be using it for, be chaeper and get a better machine for the money, can save loads, $400 of parts will get you lot better than double that from dell.
Have a look at www.pricewatch.com for prices at various places.
Jan 5th 2005, 3:38 pm
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Re: Would you recommend your pc?
You are absolutely correct!
Originally Posted by Dan725
If you know how, you can't beat building your own PC
Jan 5th 2005, 4:00 pm
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Re: Would you recommend your pc?
[QUOTE=Bob]It would depend on what you intend on using your puter for, for games and hardcore graphics, I wouldn't use Dell, or any of those big names, the puters are shite and even worse to upgrade, and all the shite you get with it, you probably don't need, but if it's your first puter, it's an okay place to start.
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Didn't I already say that, you really are the most redundant poster on here, no wonder you numbers are so high.
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Didn't I already say that, you really are the most redundant poster on here, no wonder you numbers are so high.
Jan 5th 2005, 4:09 pm
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Re: Would you recommend your pc?
[QUOTE=Patrick][QUOTE=Bob]It would depend on what you intend on using your puter for, for games and hardcore graphics, I wouldn't use Dell, or any of those big names, the puters are shite and even worse to upgrade, and all the shite you get with it, you probably don't need, but if it's your first puter, it's an okay place to start.
Didn't I already say that, you really are the most redundant poster on here, no wonder you numbers are so high.
Harsh 
Dells arent shite, just cheap, corners are cut on the cheaper systems. Most can be upgraded without issue, unless you dont know what youre doing.
Didn't I already say that, you really are the most redundant poster on here, no wonder you numbers are so high.
Dells arent shite, just cheap, corners are cut on the cheaper systems. Most can be upgraded without issue, unless you dont know what youre doing.
Jan 5th 2005, 4:43 pm
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Re: Would you recommend your pc?
All I really need the Comp for is surfing the net at home, downloading to my Ipod and stroing the odd digital photogragh. I'm not a gamers and I dont need the PC to do anything fancy in terms of software.
Dell PC Spec:
Interl Celeron 2.4Ghz
Windows XP home edition
512 Ram
keyboard & mouse
80GB hard drive
56K PCI Data/Fax Modem
48x CD-RW
15in Flat Penal Monitor
for $700 inc tax and delivery
Dell PC Spec:
Interl Celeron 2.4Ghz
Windows XP home edition
512 Ram
keyboard & mouse
80GB hard drive
56K PCI Data/Fax Modem
48x CD-RW
15in Flat Penal Monitor
for $700 inc tax and delivery
Jan 5th 2005, 4:54 pm
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Re: Would you recommend your pc?
no mention of video card.. what model is it? 3000, 2400??
Jan 5th 2005, 5:13 pm
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Re: Would you recommend your pc?
Video Card - Intel Extreme Graphics 2
The PC is the Dimesion 3000 with an upgraded to the RAM and Hard Drive.
The PC is the Dimesion 3000 with an upgraded to the RAM and Hard Drive.
Jan 5th 2005, 5:29 pm
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Re: Would you recommend your pc?
I have Dell PC's for our office and laptops. Some work fine and some don't.
My impression and actual experiece of Dell is that all will be well so long as they don't ship you a 'Friday afternoon special' or you need support.
We recently ordered a slaptop/printer/pc for a new employee - we had problems with the laptop from day one. Shipment of parts was slow and disorganised.
They also sent us two printers (instead of the one we ordered) They have yet to ask for it back but given the price of their 'Dell only' cartridges I'm not suprised...
My impression and actual experiece of Dell is that all will be well so long as they don't ship you a 'Friday afternoon special' or you need support.
We recently ordered a slaptop/printer/pc for a new employee - we had problems with the laptop from day one. Shipment of parts was slow and disorganised.
They also sent us two printers (instead of the one we ordered) They have yet to ask for it back but given the price of their 'Dell only' cartridges I'm not suprised...
Jan 5th 2005, 5:39 pm
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Re: Would you recommend your pc?
Originally Posted by Bushranger
I have Dell PC's for our office and laptops. Some work fine and some don't.
My impression and actual experiece of Dell is that all will be well so long as they don't ship you a 'Friday afternoon special' or you need support.
We recently ordered a slaptop/printer/pc for a new employee - we had problems with the laptop from day one. Shipment of parts was slow and disorganised.
They also sent us two printers (instead of the one we ordered) They have yet to ask for it back but given the price of their 'Dell only' cartridges I'm not suprised...
My impression and actual experiece of Dell is that all will be well so long as they don't ship you a 'Friday afternoon special' or you need support.
We recently ordered a slaptop/printer/pc for a new employee - we had problems with the laptop from day one. Shipment of parts was slow and disorganised.
They also sent us two printers (instead of the one we ordered) They have yet to ask for it back but given the price of their 'Dell only' cartridges I'm not suprised...
Jan 5th 2005, 5:42 pm
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Re: Would you recommend your pc?
Originally Posted by Chandler
Video Card - Intel Extreme Graphics 2
The PC is the Dimesion 3000 with an upgraded to the RAM and Hard Drive.
The PC is the Dimesion 3000 with an upgraded to the RAM and Hard Drive.
Thats an onboard chip, cant remember but my guess is it uses some of the system ram, not a problem if you arent playing games, but a potential fail point in future as the 3000 has no AGP slot.
Jan 5th 2005, 8:44 pm
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Re: Would you recommend your pc?
I have a Dell 8200 desktop which i have had for around 21/2 years with no problems. Mind you it was in boxes for 9 months when we moved over here from the UK. I also had a Dell Inspiron laptop and thats a piece of crap. Cheap build quality lots of problems rubbish. Wouldnt buy a new Dell laptop ever again. I got an IBM T42 Thinkpad recently and its been good the built in wireless is good and works well at school for using the wireless network. Price was good as well as I got student discount by buying through the Uni scheme and got around $900 of the ticket price.
In the UK i had several Gateway computers and I always liked them i upgraded my desktops but never had any problems with any of them and my cousins inherited a lot of them as gifts (self employed tax write off if scrap inside 5 years) they all still run as far as i know.
In the UK i had several Gateway computers and I always liked them i upgraded my desktops but never had any problems with any of them and my cousins inherited a lot of them as gifts (self employed tax write off if scrap inside 5 years) they all still run as far as i know.
Jan 5th 2005, 9:22 pm
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Re: Would you recommend your pc?
A good deal?
Emachine
Intel Celeron 2.66
256 Ram
60 GB Hard drive
Intel Extreme 3D
Speakers
Moden 56k
Intel PRO 10/100 Ethernet
48x CD-RW
Keyboard and Mouse
XP Home Edition
17in Monitor
Lexmark Color Jetprinter
All for $670 but with $330 mail-in rebates.
Emachine
Intel Celeron 2.66
256 Ram
60 GB Hard drive
Intel Extreme 3D
Speakers
Moden 56k
Intel PRO 10/100 Ethernet
48x CD-RW
Keyboard and Mouse
XP Home Edition
17in Monitor
Lexmark Color Jetprinter
All for $670 but with $330 mail-in rebates.