so no ssn no license / no license no car..... hence rented or leased or whatever.... and the boss had a nervous breakdown when he saw the bill........ i think i would have too... if its not in writing ur jinxed...... i still think tho in hindsight it would have been better to keep him informed weekly or even monthly might have been beneficial... but were great at giving our comments... but u cant cry over spilt milk... the think is now u have to think about saving what last bit u can.. I agree i would see if u can come to some sort of agreement... because should u as u said not be able to stay here if u have to pay the bill urself... can u imagine what sort of costs u will be accuring if u have to go back at ur own expense???? be worse than the 10.000. If u have it in writing.... then is the job more important???? i think it might be ... ur going to have to weigh up the pros and cons.... If the boss said he would pay it and then decided no .. ask why not???? with the economy as it is i am not supprised he is losing sleep over it.... its a darn lot of money... why did he say he would supply both of the cars????? did u have two sent over??? or are both of u working for the same co.??? i can feel what ur going thru its a damn lot of money especially when u just got here and are finding ur feet....

I just took the 6 point test for non-citizen on the New jersey DMV website. Guess what. I passed without an SSN. So I should be able to register a vehicle, and get a license, no problem.

I chose one 4 point (Foreign passport with INS or USCIS verification and valid Form I-551 stamp )
one three point (Civil marriage certificate issued by the municipality
in which you were married.
Please note: Photocopies are not accepted. Marriage certificates issued by religious entities are not accepted.)

and one proof of address. (Original lease or rental agreement showing your name as the lessee or renter)

and voila......... Final review - congratulations!
Total Points: 7 pts
You have now completed all of the steps necessary to prepare for the MVC’s 6-Point ID Verfication. To ensure that your trip to the MVC goes as smoothly as possible, print this page and bring it, along with your documents, to a Motor Vehicle Agency

So one must assume that an SSN is not required.
take the test. http://www.state.nj.us/mvc/Licenses/...ctor/index.htm

Yes you are 100% correct on the no SSN no car etc,

We did keep him informed and actually submitted some of the epense in Dec but were told to wait till we had returned it.

Not sure if you saw on earlier thread but $1,500 is from other moving related cost so its about $8,500 for 4 months car rent.

He has not supplied any cars-think you might have miss read that bit, the 2 cars we have ordered are being paid for by us (our cars after all). We did not have our cars sent over and no only hubby works for them as I now no longer have income (cant work on the visa).

Return costs would not amount to much for us as we have our own house in Uk plus cars (wise decision to keep) so its only flights and shipping.

I have an up and running contract (bank shifts) in the Uk which I could return to the day after landing so at least we would have some money comming in. Moving here has already cost us a shed load of money
(my loss of income each month for 1).

I really need the money back to pay my rent as we worked our living out before moving and were on a tight budget but at the end of the day its now a matter of principle, renting a car was the only option untill we got lisences and cars, its not an expense we would of paid in the Uk its a genuine expense of moving here, at the end of the day we were promised we would not be worse off yet we are.


oh well the morning will solve it one way or another.
It sure is a lot of money and

If this is the case then why did I require a letter from SS to say I could not have a SSN due to my visa and why did the Driving agency call them to get a special code prior to me taking the test?

You clearly dont wanna be wrong here!
perhaps after taking the test you should of read the text but for your benefit here it is copied and pasted!!


PLEASE NOTE THE LAST SENTENCE


Get It Right the First Time!
Every ID document you show must be an original, or a certified copy marked with a state or municipal seal. If any of your documents don’t meet this requirement, or if any appear altered or false or are deemed invalid for any reason, you may be required to submit additional documentation. Submitting your Social Security number is required by state law.

ahhh missed that part. lol Does seem foolish to me.
I have no doubt that there are more than a few people who get bad information...and I know that I had to do some research for Florida to figure everything out there for my wife. The biggest issue was insurance, not getting a vehicle. As for a license, they would only issue for 30 days pending final proof on legal status. But with her International license,it was not an issue.

I never object to being wrong. We learn from being wrong. I just found it difficult to understand that kind of requirement. But I guess NJ is more rigid than other states.

But I certainly do hope you get your situation sorted out the best way for your family.

Ok so now do you see why we had no choice but to rent a car?

it took us 12 weeks to get sorted with SS etc, how can any one be expected to not have a car? and so you see this is a genuine moving expense.

No one in their right mind would relocate if they thought they had to pay $10,000 them selves unless they are loaded and dont mind, sadly we are not, Ive given up my career for my husbands and lost a lot of cash to boot.

Weve just been back to the Uk and I have had to leave my 15 year old there to finish her education as the high school seem unable to put her into more than 4 lessons, my cost has been huge already. How can we stay here now?
We cant trust the company, our life here depends on them, visa depends on them etc.

If i could have my time again Id stay in the Uk, but sadly we are here so now we need to make the best of a bad situation.

I can see why. It is very unfortunate that the financial details of that were not worked out beforehand in writing. One would hope that it does not turn into an issue of trust..as you would like to believe you can trust them. But as others have said...I think I would just sit down and explain the situation, acknowledge that perhaps there was something misunderstood in the process, but is there a way to negotiate some settlement. I think if they come to the table for some assistance, that might restore some trust level. Anyway, in the end ytou ned to do what you feel is right.

it must be a bummer leaving ur daughter in the UK and ur here.....and now this... i can imagine ur terribly home sick.... u know i think i does get better... i am sorry u felt u had to send her back to the UK for her education.. i must be really lucky because I find the education system here more adventagious, and I dont keep my gob shut ..... we came knowing it wasnt the same and were until now managing to get over the hurdles.. my daughter 14 by the way will actually go to do some lessons in college next year because she is more advanced in some subjects... not all unfortunately.....I know its tough... believe me sometimes i wonder what i am doing here and lonely was something i first learnt when i landed..... but these forums keep me sane... and i dont know anyone that hasnt made mistakes or thought something would go one way and finding out it was going in the other.... i know at th e moment u think the evil u know rather than the evil u dont..... but just think of the benefits... no one can tell u what to do and ur heart will do what it wants.... but take a deep breath before u make that final decision..... if u cant work, maybe u can put ur time to some good uses... school, church organisations, (ugh) just get out and dont just sit and waste away.......... good luck...

Thank you so much for that.

Yes its awful leaving my baby there, you prob find it better due to the age of yours.

Our problem was because our visa starts in oct she did not have a schedule which seems to ave thrown them-she went in as a Freshman.

They gave her only 4 lessons a day and from 12 she had study hall this lasted 3 and a half months!

On poking around we discovered that a basic high school diploma from US is worth only 5 gcse's and given that she would get that at 18 it was not good compared to the 11 she was due to sit at 16 in England.

I called universities in UK and they said no way could they except that qualification and that she needed to do AP courses but the school kept promising us meetings and nothing came, they were also unable to convert her marks and so kept her in low classes whereas shes a higher achiever.


Given the fact that she should be half way through gcse coursework and the school heres lack of help we felt we did not have the time to wait for them and that her interests would be taken care of better back in her old school.

Not that I really care, but it's 60 days in NJ, not 30, but that's beside the point.

To get a license, you don't need an SSN, your husband as an H1 would, but your exempt, you just need a letter of exemption, also besides the point.

And the thing you mention later - #

# Every ID document you show must be an original or certified copy with the official state or municipal seal....

That just means original documents, which is what you'd have anyway, they don't have to have been from NJ.

All you need to get a car legal is -
* The vehicle title.
* Proof of insurance.
* Proof of your Social Security number or exemption.
* The vehicle's odometer reading.
* Your current driver license number.
* Complete an application for registration.
* Pay the required registration fee.

That just asks for a license, not specifically a NJ license....and they can't really, because plenty of people register vehicles without being resident in the state, corporate entities for instance, who also don't have drivers licenses, so again, you can buy without a license.

Your biggest issue really is insurance, but you would find places that'll insure without a SSN, but you'll have higher premiums, and you'll probably have to go through an insurance agent rather than any of the big names.

At the end of the day it's all irrelevant because your in the situation your in, it's your issue that your almost $10K down, you can either play nice and hope they pay, or threaten them with legal action with a lawyer and probably not really have a leg to stand on, and that's pretty much what it boils down to without having anything in writing, you've had your advice, down to you what you want to do with it, play nice, play hard ball, or threaten to leg it.

Goodluck again.

Hello
You seem to have had a very upsetting start to life here and I really sympathise as there have been and still are days when it all gets to me here.

I have three daughters who were 10,14 and 16 when we came over in Oct 2005.
We are lucky because we have excellent schools here but we pay dearly in property tax. Even so we had to push for them to consider UK school records and convert them. My 14 year old started as a freshman in the Oct and it took a while to get her sorted out but we did. The system is very different and totally unlike the UK and the teachers didn't have any inkling of UK education but then why should they?
It became easier when we stopped trying to compare and started understanding this system.
We came planning to stay and get greencards and so we expect our daughters to go to college here. My eldest, who has only done 2 years in a US high school, has got a place at a Uni here using a combination of GCSE results and course work here. She isn't going to a really expensive place but we are pleased with it and she is very excited.
Do you plan to return to the UK? or will your daughters go to college here?

Like you we ordered cars from Int Autosource and they didn't arrive until 6 weeks after we arrived ,and we only rented for my husband but we knew we would have to pay the rental from our relocation allowance which wasn't big.It sucked but thats life here sometimes.

Don't do anything rash. All the hassles you are having sound so familiar and I think it is part of the settling in process sadly.

My husband was promised things that have never materialised and probably never will.
There are many days when I wish we had never come, when our old life seems to be so much better. But we wanted to come. Stick it out and things will smooth themselves out.
Do you like it here despite the problems?
If you want to ask any questions about my experience with the school system please do, either here or in a pm.
Good luck.

Hey Guys, get off LoopyLorns back ... after the reading the posts it sounds as if some people are trying to nail her to the wall for has happened. Lets not judge her, lets help her ...

Life is a compromise and one needs to be worked out here ... I am sure a reasonable middle ground can be found. I would suspect you must face the eality that you will have to swallow some of the cost.

However, for me this is a lesson learned. I am going to CA in about a month and really had thought I could rock up to a dealer lay down some readies and be off with a car ... I will need to re-think ... and most importantly budget this myself for now ... will try to get somew re-imbursement from employer as they have offered a one-off payment for relocation (this rental charge would blow that budget!!!!) ...

Let's not forget we are trying to achieve a life goal ... sometimes we have to invest to reap the reward ... Keep at it and you will win ....

Good Luck !!!!

Sorry Bob yes you are correct its 60 days-not that it would of made a difference to renting as we still did not have the "golden" SSN.

My Husbands SSN had to go with my license application and I did not mention:

# Every ID document you show must be an original or certified copy with the official state or municipal seal.

I copied and pasted the paragraph to highlight the last sentence regarding SSN is required by state law.

So as youve stated above to get a car legal you need proof of SSN.
This is the point that made us hire a car for which the money is owed.

The thing about buying without a license- if you read my earlier thread youll find I said you can buy but you cant pick it up without a NJ license or again an out of state but not out of country license.