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Old Mar 27th 2025 | 6:40 am
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Originally Posted by Steerpike
The big question I have is - ONCE you go through the hoops of setting up login.gov, is that 'it' as far as verification goes, or, do they have additional verification steps during the actual application process? I plan to find out today as I'm going to submit my application!
And to expand on my previous response, if you get stuck at Stage 2 review and you need to call SSA, there will be questions at that time to verify you. Basic stuff like place and date of birth, mother and father's names, mother's maiden name. They might require you to produce documents in person. Last year during my wife's application for Medicare we were both given an appointment at the local SSA office to show our passports or naturalization certificates in person. So when we applied for Social Security they already had copies of those on file so no office visit was necessary.
 
Old Mar 27th 2025 | 7:40 am
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I would go ahead and make the application online, you can always cancel or delay the start date. When you make the online application it will tell you what other documents if any you need. For example we needed to provide proof of citizenship including our US passport and Naturalization certificate.
 
Old Mar 27th 2025 | 8:32 am
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Originally Posted by Steerpike
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The big question I have is - ONCE you go through the hoops of setting up login.gov, is that 'it' as far as verification goes, or, do they have additional verification steps during the actual application process? I plan to find out today as I'm going to submit my application!
OK - "Job Done"! I visited ssa.gov, clicked on the 'apply now' button, logged in using my existing 'login.gov' account, and stepped through the entire process in about 30 minutes. No request for additional documents, no mention of any 'Step 2' or 'stage 2 review'. The 30 minutes included taking screen shots and creating a 'word' document of the entire process, in case of issues. I did get an annoying 'time-out' during the process, and it wouldn't let me resume the first time, but I waited 5 minutes and tried again, and completed the process. Early in the process you get a 're-entry' number, which you need in order to resume an incomplete session - make sure you note it down! I needed my citizenship date, and my bank account details; other than that, nothing - wasn't even asked for passport or drivers license info.

Originally Posted by Pierre_Tete
If your application is straightforward - in other words you are claiming based solely on your SSA contribution record and not your spouse - the process starts entirely online via your SSA account login. But be aware, if mine and my wife's recent experience is typical, the application will get stuck at 'Step 2' in the the review process. My application said to should take 30 days. After 60 days it was still in phase 2 so I called and they then proceeded to move on to the next step. Wife was similar, but with some more complexity. Basically, it looks like they will not proceed to finalize your claim until you follow up with a phone call. Maybe this is part of their process to weed out fraudulent claims?
Originally Posted by Pierre_Tete
And to expand on my previous response, if you get stuck at Stage 2 review and you need to call SSA, there will be questions at that time to verify you. Basic stuff like place and date of birth, mother and father's names, mother's maiden name. They might require you to produce documents in person. Last year during my wife's application for Medicare we were both given an appointment at the local SSA office to show our passports or naturalization certificates in person. So when we applied for Social Security they already had copies of those on file so no office visit was necessary.
My process ended with this screen:

No mention of 'next steps, step 2, stage 2, phase 2, etc.

How did your 'step 2' issues arise - during the initial application process, or at some later date?

So - the big recommendation would seem to be - make sure you set up a login.gov account asap, because that's where the complications lie.

Originally Posted by durham_lad
I would go ahead and make the application online, you can always cancel or delay the start date. When you make the online application it will tell you what other documents if any you need. For example we needed to provide proof of citizenship including our US passport and Naturalization certificate.
Do you (or did you) already have a login.gov (or id.me) account? And - to address an issue raised by others - since you now reside in the UK, are you able to login using the login.gov (or id.me) account from UK; do you encounter any 2-factor issues?

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Old Mar 27th 2025 | 8:44 am
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Originally Posted by durham_lad
I would go ahead and make the application online, you can always cancel or delay the start date. When you make the online application it will tell you what other documents if any you need. For example we needed to provide proof of citizenship including our US passport and Naturalization certificate.

Do you know what qualifying resident aliens have to do? Will OH be stuck visiting the US Embassy in London?
I took US citizenship, but he did not.

 
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Originally Posted by Steerpike
OK - "Job Done"! I visited ssa.gov, clicked on the 'apply now' button, logged in using my existing 'login.gov' account, and stepped through the entire process in about 30 minutes. No request for additional documents, no mention of any 'Step 2' or 'stage 2 review'. The 30 minutes included taking screen shots and creating a 'word' document of the entire process, in case of issues. I did get an annoying 'time-out' during the process, and it wouldn't let me resume the first time, but I waited 5 minutes and tried again, and completed the process. Early in the process you get a 're-entry' number, which you need in order to resume an incomplete session - make sure you note it down! I needed my citizenship date, and my bank account details; other than that, nothing - wasn't even asked for passport or drivers license info.





My process ended with this screen:

No mention of 'next steps, step 2, stage 2, phase 2, etc.

How did your 'step 2' issues arise - during the initial application process, or at some later date?

So - the big recommendation would seem to be - make sure you set up a login.gov account asap, because that's where the complications lie.


Do you (or did you) already have a login.gov (or id.me) account? And - to address an issue raised by others - since you now reside in the UK, are you able to login using the login.gov (or id.me) account from UK; do you encounter any 2-factor issues?

I have an Id.me account, and there are multiple 2f options, but they can use the more basic text a code to a phone method, and UK phone numbers work fine.

I don't think a non-citizen can apply to start the payments online though, although you can verify for your account from the UK (just haven't done that for OH yet).
 
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Originally Posted by Steerpike
No mention of 'next steps, step 2, stage 2, phase 2, etc.
How did your 'step 2' issues arise - during the initial application process, or at some later date?
You will likely get an email saying that your application has been accepted. My confirmation email actually gave a specific SSA office and its phone number. Log in to your SSA account once a week. It should show a progress bar for your application with 3 steps. It should get to Step 2 pretty quickly and will likely say there is a 30 day processing time from there. This is where mine got stuck (and my wife's SS and Medicare applications too). After 60 days with no further progress I called. On the national 800 number the callback feature typically tells you the wait time (2-3 hours seems typical). I called the local office number from my earlier email. They had a callback too, but with no indication how long. In fact they called back a whole day later when I wasn't expecting it so I had to go through the process a second time, with another 24 hour turnaround.


 
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While living in the UK both myself and my wife created our id.me accounts to access our SS online accounts from the UK. It required for the last step a video appointment to answer some questions and hold up our US passports and SS cards.

We did not need an in-person appointment to validate our citizenship. We sent in our Naturalization Certificates and US passports to the FBU in the London Embassy and received them back within a few days.

It would have been a real pain to have to attend in person given how far from London we live. Once the FBU reviewed the applications they were then sent back to the USA and could be seen online as being in step 2 of 3 waiting for review by an agent in Baltimore. In both cases the application stayed in step 2 for several months and we had to call Baltimore and speak to an agent to complete the application.
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre_Tete
You will likely get an email saying that your application has been accepted. My confirmation email actually gave a specific SSA office and its phone number.
I did get the confirmation email that my application was accepted. However, NO SSA Office or phone number! That may be due to recent changes. The email simply says:
"We have received your application for benefits. Thank you for using our online services to conduct your business.
You can check the status of your application by signing in to your personal
my Social Security account.
We will contact you by telephone or by mail with any updates or questions we may have about your information.
We hope you found our online benefit application convenient to use and easy to understand."
Originally Posted by Pierre_Tete
Log in to your SSA account once a week. It should show a progress bar for your application with 3 steps. It should get to Step 2 pretty quickly and will likely say there is a 30 day processing time from there. This is where mine got stuck (and my wife's SS and Medicare applications too). After 60 days with no further progress I called. On the national 800 number the callback feature typically tells you the wait time (2-3 hours seems typical). I called the local office number from my earlier email. They had a callback too, but with no indication how long. In fact they called back a whole day later when I wasn't expecting it so I had to go through the process a second time, with another 24 hour turnaround.
I logged in and see that I'm at step 1 ...


I will check back often!

Originally Posted by durham_lad
While living in the UK both myself and my wife created ourid.me accounts to access our SS online accounts from the UK. It required for the last step a video appointment to answer some questions and hold up our US passports and SS cards.
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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter
I have anId.me account, and there are multiple 2f options, but they can use the more basic text a code to a phone method, and UK phone numbers work fine.
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I originally created an id.me account, and used it for access to Social Security website, 'a long time ago' (whenever they started requiring it for SS login). But I have a note that says I needed to create a new 'login.gov' account, and that's what I'm using now for SS login. But I see now that the SS login page supports both - so I don't know why I bothered with the login.gov account. Of interest also, the IRS do NOT support Login.gov; they only support id.me! This article discusses why the IRS (a government entity) won't use login.gov (another government entity) as it does not trust it! https://www.nextgov.com/digital-gove...hanges/391033/ (note this is a 2023 article so things could have changed).

 
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Quick question (apologies if answered elsewhere): Mrs CKUSA is currently in the US (Resident Alien with GC) and should be able to claim SS. Moving back permanently to the UK later in the year - should she start the process now while in the US, or wait until in the UK?
(Since I'm still working it's probably not worth claiming yet (due to the $1 reduction for each $2 earnt in income) - but probable same question applies).
 
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Probably easier to apply, dot the i’s, cross the t’s and resolve any issues while in the US, but I don’t know that for a fact. If you are at full retirement age, you could look at filing before you leave and then immediately suspend your SS. That would get the process started while here but enable you to defer benefits until you are ready to take them. The best of both worlds.
 
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Originally Posted by Glasgow Girl
you could look at filing before you leave and then immediately suspend your SS.
"File and suspend" is no-longer an option. That was eliminated about a decade ago. You file when you are ready to claim benefits. But yes, the OP should get setup with login.gov or ID.me access their SSA account.
 
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Originally Posted by ckusa
Quick question (apologies if answered elsewhere): Mrs CKUSA is currently in the US (Resident Alien with GC) and should be able to claim SS. Moving back permanently to the UK later in the year - should she start the process now while in the US, or wait until in the UK?
If moving back permanently to the UK and you are over 65, make sure that SS does not withhold Medicare premiums from your SS payments whenever you claim. And keep in mind you need to be absolutely sure it is a permanent move. If you come back and decide to get Medicare after your normal signup date, you will face a permanent 10% hike in Medicare premiums for every year you were late signing up.
 
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Originally Posted by Glasgow Girl
Probably easier to apply, dot the i’s, cross the t’s and resolve any issues while in the US, but I don’t know that for a fact. If you are at full retirement age, you could look at filing before you leave and then immediately suspend your SS. That would get the process started while here but enable you to defer benefits until you are ready to take them. The best of both worlds.
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"File and suspend" is no-longer an option. That was eliminated about a decade ago. You file when you are ready to claim benefits. But yes, the OP should get setup with login.gov or ID.me access their SSA account.

If you are at full retirement age when you apply you can still suspend your benefits. https://www.ssa.gov/benefits/retirem...ent%20to%20you.

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter
I don't think you can start verification until you want to start drawing benefits, can you?

I see this bill in the Senate about raising benefits,

https://www.help.senate.gov/dem/news...ocial-security

But I don't see one regarding citizenship.
It's been several years since I set up my account (and I haven't applied for SS yet), but surely you have to go through the verification process just to get access to your Social Security statement. Or am I mis-remembering?
 
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From yesterday’s Letter from an American

Makena Kelly of Wired reported today that billionaire Elon Musk’s “Department of Government Efficiency” (DOGE) is planning to move the computer system of the Social Security Administration (SSA) off the old programming language it uses, COBOL, to a new system. In 2017, the SSA estimated that such a migration would take about five years. DOGE is planning for the migration to take just a few months, using artificial intelligence to complete the change.
https://heathercoxrichardson.substac.../march-28-2025
 


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