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British Expats (https://britishexpats.com/forum/)
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-   -   Is this really, that terrible compared to UK? (https://britishexpats.com/forum/usa-57/really-terrible-compared-uk-701955/)

Sally Redux Jan 25th 2011 4:42 am
Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?
 
Originally Posted by Isabel_7 (Post 9127824)
Well said!
OK so the thread is asking people for comparisons between the 2 countries, how accurate are the perceptions of someone who hasn't moved yet?

Jerseygirl Jan 25th 2011 4:43 am
Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?
 
Originally Posted by airways (Post 9126897)
I have not told anyone what to do, nor have I lectured anyone so don't give me that crap. I have lived and worked all over the world so have a perspective on overseas living.

Jesus Christ, do you think because I have not moved yet it does not give me a right to express an opinion? Especially an opinion about the UK. If their life is that bad in the US why don't they bog off elsewhere instead of winging about it?

This forum is polarized into people who love the USA and this who have not had a good time. Unfortunately the balance of posting is from those who had a bad time winging about it and trying to convince others it's all crap and they should leave or not even bother making the move.

For years I wondered why my kiwi friend who moved to the UK referred to us as winging poms. God do I know now.

Life is what you make of it.



You could try be a little more understanding and calm down a wee bit. Some aren't in the US by choice...they are trapped. Some find themselves having to choose between their marriage/children or the UK. Many of our members have fallen in love with an American or have moved because of their spouse's job and cannot just upsticks and return. Some are really struggling financially to keep their heads above water.

I recommend you read some of the heartbreaking posts in the MBTTUK forum. People who have been so unhappy in their adopted country that they have returned to the UK leaving their spouses and sometimes their children/grandchildren behind.

We moved here because of my husband's job. We had a good life in the UK and we moved to a good life in the US...but that didn't prevent homesickness. The only thing that kept me here was by husband's attitude...he said I only had to say the word and we would be on the next flight back to the UK. Knowing that I had that option gave me something to cling onto...many do not have that option. We have homes in the UK/US/Canada...I am lucky I can come and go as I please...many cannot.

What is the saying..."walk a mile in a man's shoes before you judge them".

Edit: Please remember that there are hundreds of thousands of Brits who move to other countries and love their new life. Most of them are out enjoying themselves and are not posting on internet forums. Most of our membership are people who don't fit into that category. We come on here so we can have a good moan and share a laugh with fellow Brits...we have long before you joined and will continue to do so long after you have left.

SultanOfSwing Jan 25th 2011 4:44 am
Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?
 
Originally Posted by Desdemona (Post 9127875)
I don't know if you could "ban guns" per se. The right to bear arms is still a constitutional right. But you could move to have limits put on the types of weapons; for instance assault weapons or even feasibly hand guns.
I doubt anyone is out looking to ban them as such, and you can interperet the constitution any way you want to suit your needs can't you? Since when does it actually mention guns at all? It's fair enough to allow the purchase of them and I can see that having a shot gun for clay pigeon shooting is one thing but do you really need an AR-15 for hunting???

Have guns if you want but don't try to justify that with any reason other than you think they're cool. If having a 9mm under your pillow helps you sleep at night, all well and good. Won't do you f**k all good if the assailant knifes you in your sleep though, will it . . . ?

To use free speech as an example, we all have the right to it but that doesn't mean people shouldn't also shut up once in a while :lol:

And yes, that includes me. As you were ;)

Leslie Jan 25th 2011 4:47 am
Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?
 
Quality of life indexes are interesting ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality-of-life_index

This was 2005 and not particularly surprising for 2005. I couldn't find a more recent (straightforward) list but apparently France is at the top now. I'd like to see how the list has changed since the recession.

elfman Jan 25th 2011 4:54 am
Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?
 
Originally Posted by Leslie66 (Post 9127899)
Quality of life indexes are interesting ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality-of-life_index

This was 2005 and not particularly surprising for 2005. I couldn't find a more recent (straightforward) list but apparently France is at the top now. I'd like to see how the list has changed since the recession.
these kind of surveys come out all the time and I generally view most of them with some scepticsm. Here's one that came out this week that uses many of the same criteria:

http://www.prosperity.com/rankings.aspx

zargof Jan 25th 2011 5:00 am
Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?
 
Originally Posted by ian-mstm (Post 9127564)
Without being presumptuous, perhaps you don't fully understand the meaning of the word "rights". Rights must never be abridged. Full stop. End of story.
Like those 4th Amendment rights that were deemed inconvenient for Japanese Americans during WW2?

All this talk of rights sounds great, but when the shit hits the fans they mean nothing.

zargof Jan 25th 2011 5:02 am
Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?
 
To sum up my views of the US/UK comparison: I would say they are both shite in their own special way.

Sally Redux Jan 25th 2011 5:09 am
Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?
 
Originally Posted by zargof (Post 9127940)
Like those 4th Amendment rights that were deemed inconvenient for Japanese Americans during WW2?

All this talk of rights sounds great, but when the shit hits the fans they mean nothing.
Good point, I recently had the pleasure to meet 2 sisters who were interned during WW2, it certainly makes you think.

Originally Posted by zargof (Post 9127944)
To sum up my views of the US/UK comparison: I would say they are both shite in their own special way.
That sounds about right.

Leslie Jan 25th 2011 5:09 am
Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?
 
Originally Posted by elfman (Post 9127922)
these kind of surveys come out all the time and I generally view most of them with some scepticsm. Here's one that came out this week that uses many of the same criteria:

http://www.prosperity.com/rankings.aspx

I agree - they're not really scientific but they do tend to confirm each other in a general way.

I was thinking about the polarity on BE between those that are happy here and those that are not. The reasons are vast but IMO most often personal in nature. I think that if the OP is looking for subjective information the lists are an interesting read. Also, they are pretty consistent in showing that America isn't the greatest country in the world but rather just a decent place to try to make a life.

Some things the OP may want to ask themselves is how do they feel about their place in the world? Is fitting in important? Or do they enjoy being different? How important are long established and/or familial relationships to them?

I am constantly meeting immigrants (from all over the world but quite a few of them are European) that are extremely happy here. I think those types of conversations are more likely to happen IRL. Then I come on here and hear about a lot of unhappy folks and I've come to realize that those are the conversations more likely to happen online.

airways Jan 25th 2011 5:13 am
Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?
 
We come on here so we can have a good moan and share a laugh with fellow Brits...we have long before you joined and will continue to do so long after you have left.
That I think sadly is the crux of it. This forum is unfortunately more of a private club than anything. If you dare to have an opinion or do not appear to be sympathetic to members of the clique then you are 'welcomed' to move on.

To many of the responses on here are tainted by the personal circumstances of some of the posters. A real shame as there is so much potential to share.

Put it like this. I don't care if people have guns or not, I don't care if they are bored or lonely or can't afford health care and I don't care to be bullied into agreeing with them. I reserve the right to bash the British and the UK unreservedly. I am British and thats my right. I have no intention of bashing the rules, laws or customs of another nation as that is not my right. That does not make me ant social, anti american, anti british or anti anything for that matter. I am entitled to have my own opinions. I have not tried to change anyones view to match my own, I have merely used the right to free speech to express my opinion.

Sorry if I am not some soppy kiss ass but that's life. If I wanted to walk in someone else's shoes and understand how tough life is for them I would become a counsellor.

I also don't appreciate having segments of my posts highlighted and taken out of context to make a point or an argument. When I write something I expect the whole post to be taking in context.

Sally Redux Jan 25th 2011 5:15 am
Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?
 
Originally Posted by Leslie66 (Post 9127956)
I am constantly meeting immigrants (from all over the world but quite a few of them are European) that are extremely happy here. I think those types of conversations are more likely to happen IRL. Then I come on here and hear about a lot of unhappy folks and I've come to realize that those are the conversations more likely to happen online.
That's a great point. People who are happy are less likely to need the support of BE.

Regarding the surveys, so much of it is personal preference, but I think countries like France, Germany and Scandanavian countries put a greater emphasis on things like quality, design, intellectual pursuits, cuisine and so on which are not so important to British and American people in general.

nethead Jan 25th 2011 5:21 am
Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?
 
Originally Posted by airways (Post 9127965)
That I think sadly is the crux of it. This forum is unfortunately more of a private club than anything. If you dare to have an opinion or do not appear to be sympathetic to members of the clique then you are 'welcomed' to move on.

To many of the responses on here are tainted by the personal circumstances of some of the posters. A real shame as there is so much potential to share.

Put it like this. I don't care if people have guns or not, I don't care if they are bored or lonely or can't afford health care and I don't care to be bullied into agreeing with them. I reserve the right to bash the British and the UK unreservedly. I am British and thats my right. I have no intention of bashing the rules, laws or customs of another nation as that is not my right. That does not make me ant social, anti american, anti british or anti anything for that matter. I am entitled to have my own opinions. I have not tried to change anyones view to match my own, I have merely used the right to free speech to express my opinion.

Sorry if I am not some soppy kiss ass but that's life. If I wanted to walk in someone else's shoes and understand how tough life is for them I would become a counsellor.

I also don't appreciate having segments of my posts highlighted and taken out of context to make a point or an argument. When I write something I expect the whole post to be taking in context.
Of course peoples opinions are subjective, they only have their opinions and circumstances to go on. So you only expect someone to share their opinion of the if it's positive? If they don't then you say they are whingers, you can't have it both ways.

zargof Jan 25th 2011 5:24 am
Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?
 
Originally Posted by airways (Post 9127965)
That I think sadly is the crux of it. This forum is unfortunately more of a private club than anything. If you dare to have an opinion or do not appear to be sympathetic to members of the clique then you are 'welcomed' to move on.

To many of the responses on here are tainted by the personal circumstances of some of the posters. A real shame as there is so much potential to share.

Put it like this. I don't care if people have guns or not, I don't care if they are bored or lonely or can't afford health care and I don't care to be bullied into agreeing with them. I reserve the right to bash the British and the UK unreservedly. I am British and thats my right. I have no intention of bashing the rules, laws or customs of another nation as that is not my right. That does not make me ant social, anti american, anti british or anti anything for that matter. I am entitled to have my own opinions. I have not tried to change anyones view to match my own, I have merely used the right to free speech to express my opinion.

Sorry if I am not some soppy kiss ass but that's life. If I wanted to walk in someone else's shoes and understand how tough life is for them I would become a counsellor.

I also don't appreciate having segments of my posts highlighted and taken out of context to make a point or an argument. When I write something I expect the whole post to be taking in context.
Why is it that whenever a newbie gets in a huff about their views being challenged there is a mention of the clique? It's totally absurd. There is no clique (it's be renamed the community).

As for the rest of your post: the fact is that if you post someone on a public forum such as this then you should expect that there will be people that disagree with it, and consequentially it will be challenged. For the most part everyone will go around in circles for a while and nobody will have changed their opinions. Then a few weeks later the same topic will come up again and it will all happen again. Rinse and repeat ad nauseum.

You're more than welcome to bash the bishop... err... bash the Brits... but don't expect everyone to agree with you.

Leslie Jan 25th 2011 5:24 am
Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?
 
Originally Posted by Sally Redux (Post 9127968)
That's a great point. People who are happy are less likely to need the support of BE.

Regarding the surveys, so much of it is personal preference, but I think countries like France, Germany and Scandanavian countries put a greater emphasis on things like quality, design, intellectual pursuits, cuisine and so on which are not so important to British and American people in general.
Which is interesting because, as an American, (other than the language issues) I'd much rather live in any of the countries you listed than in the UK. And I absolutely don't mean that as a slam to the British culture ... I just find the others more appealing to my personal interests and pursuits. And though I am not a typical American I'm not exactly a unicorn either.

I guess what I'm saying is that rather than asking other people about their experiences, somebody who is really considering the move should become a student of the country they are interested in and, more importantly, of themselves.

Desdemona Jan 25th 2011 5:24 am
Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?
 
Originally Posted by airways (Post 9127965)
That I think sadly is the crux of it. This forum is unfortunately more of a private club than anything. If you dare to have an opinion or do not appear to be sympathetic to members of the clique then you are 'welcomed' to move on.

To many of the responses on here are tainted by the personal circumstances of some of the posters. A real shame as there is so much potential to share.

Put it like this. I don't care if people have guns or not, I don't care if they are bored or lonely or can't afford health care and I don't care to be bullied into agreeing with them. I reserve the right to bash the British and the UK unreservedly. I am British and thats my right. I have no intention of bashing the rules, laws or customs of another nation as that is not my right. That does not make me ant social, anti american, anti british or anti anything for that matter. I am entitled to have my own opinions. I have not tried to change anyones view to match my own, I have merely used the right to free speech to express my opinion.

Sorry if I am not some soppy kiss ass but that's life. If I wanted to walk in someone else's shoes and understand how tough life is for them I would become a counsellor.

I also don't appreciate having segments of my posts highlighted and taken out of context to make a point or an argument. When I write something I expect the whole post to be taking in context.
You learn quick for a newcomer (relatively speaking of course), mate :lol: Keep posting -- each and every persons point of view counts as far as I'm concerned !

Sally Redux Jan 25th 2011 5:26 am
Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?
 
Originally Posted by Leslie66 (Post 9127999)
more importantly, of themselves.
Ooh, very deep and so, so true.

zargof Jan 25th 2011 5:30 am
Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?
 
Originally Posted by Leslie66 (Post 9127999)
I guess what I'm saying is that rather than asking other people about their experiences, somebody who is really considering the move should become a student of the country they are interested in and, more importantly, of themselves.
To add to that, I would say there is a subset of expats that view a move as a panacea for everything that is wrong in their life. Consequentially, they're setting themselves up for a fall.

Yorkieabroad Jan 25th 2011 5:36 am
Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?
 
Originally Posted by airways (Post 9127965)
That I think sadly is the crux of it. This forum is unfortunately more of a private club than anything. If you dare to have an opinion or do not appear to be sympathetic to members of the clique then you are 'welcomed' to move on.

To many of the responses on here are tainted by the personal circumstances of some of the posters. A real shame as there is so much potential to share.

Put it like this. I don't care if people have guns or not, I don't care if they are bored or lonely or can't afford health care and I don't care to be bullied into agreeing with them. I reserve the right to bash the British and the UK unreservedly. I am British and thats my right. I have no intention of bashing the rules, laws or customs of another nation as that is not my right. That does not make me ant social, anti american, anti british or anti anything for that matter. I am entitled to have my own opinions. I have not tried to change anyones view to match my own, I have merely used the right to free speech to express my opinion.

Sorry if I am not some soppy kiss ass but that's life. If I wanted to walk in someone else's shoes and understand how tough life is for them I would become a counsellor.

I also don't appreciate having segments of my posts highlighted and taken out of context to make a point or an argument. When I write something I expect the whole post to be taking in context.
I'm curious as to what you want people to share if its not their opinions which are inevitably a product of their personal experiences? Some experiences are positive, some are negative. But if the opinion expressed is derived from "bad" experiences, that person is a whiner so they should shut up?

Leslie Jan 25th 2011 5:37 am
Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?
 
Originally Posted by zargof (Post 9127996)
Why is it that whenever a newbie gets in a huff about their views being challenged there is a mention of the clique? It's totally absurd. There is no clique (it's be renamed the community).

As for the rest of your post: the fact is that if you post someone on a public forum such as this then you should expect that there will be people that disagree with it, and consequentially it will be challenged. For the most part everyone will go around in circles for a while and nobody will have changed their opinions. Then a few weeks later the same topic will come up again and it will all happen again. Rinse and repeat ad nauseum.

You're more than welcome to bash the bishop... err... bash the Brits... but don't expect everyone to agree with you.
My favorites are the ones that post about how much they hate the UK and love America and then move here and within a few months/years they hate America and are bashing the newbies that do exactly what they did before they moved.

Splendid!

Leslie Jan 25th 2011 5:38 am
Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?
 
Originally Posted by zargof (Post 9128022)
To add to that, I would say there is a subset of expats that view a move as a panacea for everything that is wrong in their life. Consequentially, they're setting themselves up for a fall.
Absolutely.

nethead Jan 25th 2011 5:39 am
Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?
 
Originally Posted by Leslie66 (Post 9128041)
My favorites are the ones that post about how much they hate the UK and love America and then move here and within a few months/years they hate America and are bashing the newbies that do exactly what they did before they moved.

Splendid!
They do that much more in the Oz forum :p

Leslie Jan 25th 2011 5:40 am
Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?
 
Originally Posted by nethead (Post 9128047)
They do that much more in the Oz forum :p
I know. I go there when it's dry in here and I'm Jonesing for a fix. :lol:

Yorkieabroad Jan 25th 2011 5:41 am
Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?
 
Originally Posted by zargof (Post 9128022)
To add to that, I would say there is a subset of expats that view a move as a panacea for everything that is wrong in their life. Consequentially, they're setting themselves up for a fall.
There was a thread a few years ago on this sort of thing, that sort of came to the conclusion that the reason there were more folk posting on the MBTTUK forum from Aus/NZ than the US was that the folk moving that way were more "escapist" in nature and the folk moving this way were more for job and/or family reasons.

nethead Jan 25th 2011 5:42 am
Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?
 
Originally Posted by Leslie66 (Post 9128050)
I know. I go there when it's dry in here and I'm Jonesing for a fix. :lol:
It's even scarier in there than in the Lounge :eek:

Desdemona Jan 25th 2011 5:47 am
Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?
 
Originally Posted by zargof (Post 9128022)
To add to that, I would say there is a subset of expats that view a move as a panacea for everything that is wrong in their life. Consequentially, they're setting themselves up for a fall.
So much truth there! I vote this the post of the day :)

ian-mstm Jan 25th 2011 5:48 am
Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?
 
Originally Posted by Sally Redux (Post 9127665)
Who decides on the definition rights though?
Since you ask, the US Constitution defines your rights.


As has been said, people used to have the right to keep slaves but times change.
They kept slaves, yes... but it was never a right. This is one of the reasons why I suggested that people don't fully understand the meaning of the word.

Ian

nettlebed Jan 25th 2011 5:48 am
Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?
 
Originally Posted by nethead (Post 9128047)
They do that much more in the Oz forum :p
Well, you know what the Aussie's definition of a whinging pom is, don't you? A batsman who complains about being given out LBW by the square leg umpire.

Sally Redux Jan 25th 2011 5:48 am
Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?
 
Originally Posted by Leslie66 (Post 9128050)
I know. I go there when it's dry in here and I'm Jonesing for a fix. :lol:
Someone posted Enoch Powell's 'Rivers of Blood' speech in there the other night.

Some people don't even change their user name when they have a change of heart, so they're still called something like GottaLeaveHorribleUK and are posting about how much they want to get back :lol:

nettlebed Jan 25th 2011 5:51 am
Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?
 
Originally Posted by Sally Redux (Post 9128075)
Someone posted Enoch Powell's 'Rivers of Blood' speech in there the other night.

Some people don't even change their user name when they have a change of heart, so they're still called something like GottaLeaveHorribleUK and are posting about how much they want to get back :lol:
There was a really interesting documentary that I picked up on thebox about this speech: if you have a membership there go and search for anything with "Enoch Powell" in the title.

Sally Redux Jan 25th 2011 5:52 am
Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?
 
Originally Posted by ian-mstm (Post 9128073)
Since you ask, the US Constitution defines your rights.
So if the US Constitution had been drawn up by people who told us to put our heads in the oven, that's what we'd have to do.

Fantastic.

Leslie Jan 25th 2011 5:54 am
Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?
 
Originally Posted by Yorkieabroad (Post 9128054)
There was a thread a few years ago on this sort of thing, that sort of came to the conclusion that the reason there were more folk posting on the MBTTUK forum from Aus/NZ than the US was that the folk moving that way were more "escapist" in nature and the folk moving this way were more for job and/or family reasons.
Yeah, I think what's hard for people to see is that the UK isn't necessarily to blame for what's ailing them. From what I hear, it's a pretty decent place. So, if they migrate toward something, rather than running away from something, there is at least a marginally better chance for happiness.

elfman Jan 25th 2011 5:55 am
Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?
 
Originally Posted by Sally Redux (Post 9128080)
So if the US Constitution had been drawn up by people who told us to put our heads in the oven, that's what we'd have to do.
Only if it was a well-regulated oven, being necessary for the security of hot dinners.

zargof Jan 25th 2011 5:56 am
Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?
 
Originally Posted by ian-mstm (Post 9128073)
Since you ask, the US Constitution defines your rights.



They kept slaves, yes... but it was never a right. This is one of the reasons why I suggested that people don't fully understand the meaning of the word.

Ian
So, what do you understand as the meaning of rights. Before you answer bear in mind my other post about how the Constitution is great until it becomes inconvienient.

Leslie Jan 25th 2011 5:57 am
Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?
 
Originally Posted by Sally Redux (Post 9128075)
Someone posted Enoch Powell's 'Rivers of Blood' speech in there the other night.
In what context exactly? :confused:

(sits waiting in fear of the inevitable answer but cannot help but to ask)

Some people don't even change their user name when they have a change of heart, so they're still called something like GottaLeaveHorribleUK and are posting about how much they want to get back :lol:
High quality entertainment.

Leslie Jan 25th 2011 5:59 am
Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?
 
Originally Posted by elfman (Post 9128091)
Only if it was a well-regulated oven, being necessary for the security of hot dinners.
:rofl:

We're going to have another gun thread. We really can't help ourselves.

ian-mstm Jan 25th 2011 5:59 am
Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?
 
Originally Posted by Sally Redux (Post 9128080)
So if the US Constitution had been drawn up by people who told us to put our heads in the oven, that's what we'd have to do.
Oh please... that sort of idocy doesn't warrant a response.

Ian

SultanOfSwing Jan 25th 2011 6:03 am
Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?
 
Originally Posted by Leslie66 (Post 9128087)
Yeah, I think what's hard for people to see is that the UK isn't necessarily to blame for what's ailing them. From what I hear, it's a pretty decent place. So, if they migrate toward something, rather than running away from something, there is at least a marginally better chance for happiness.
Understatement of the year ;)

That's where my issue lies I suppose. I moved here to get married to my American fiancee and it was always a compromise. I had nothing in the UK I was trying to get away from so when the novelty wore off I had something to miss.

The worst thing is, I feel bad about being unsettled, almost as if I'm being ungrateful since there are hundreds of people trying to find a way to get here and I did it the easy way.

Leslie Jan 25th 2011 6:07 am
Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?
 
Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 9128114)
Understatement of the year ;)

That's where my issue lies I suppose. I moved here to get married to my American fiancee and it was always a compromise. I had nothing in the UK I was trying to get away from so when the novelty wore off I had something to miss.

The worst thing is, I feel bad about being unsettled, almost as if I'm being ungrateful since there are hundreds of people trying to find a way to get here and I did it the easy way.
Yours is a pretty common situation on BE. I think you're perfectly normal and not the least bit "ungrateful". I would imagine that many people who come here (at least from first world countries) feel exactly the same.

SultanOfSwing Jan 25th 2011 6:10 am
Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?
 
Originally Posted by Leslie66 (Post 9128124)
Yours is a pretty common situation on BE. I think you're perfectly normal and not the least bit "ungrateful". I would imagine that many people who come here (at least from first world countries) feel exactly the same.
Maybe ungrateful is the wrong word but I do feel bad sometimes, especially when I'm driving around near where I first lived when I come out here and think it's really not so bad.

I'm never satisfied though, I bring it on myself :lol:

Desdemona Jan 25th 2011 6:13 am
Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?
 
Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 9128114)
Understatement of the year ;)

That's where my issue lies I suppose. I moved here to get married to my American fiancee and it was always a compromise. I had nothing in the UK I was trying to get away from so when the novelty wore off I had something to miss.

The worst thing is, I feel bad about being unsettled, almost as if I'm being ungrateful since there are hundreds of people trying to find a way to get here and I did it the easy way.
The UK is a lovely place, I don't blame you for missing it. The people are lovely, love their happy-go-lucky approach to life. We were there during the 2010 World Cup, so you can imagine the carnival atmosphere in every pub we went to. If there was another country I would choose to live in it would be England. I haven't been to Ireland (just flew over it getting to Heathrow on our Delta flight from from St. Paul's Minneapolis). But I imagine it's no different.


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