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Old Jan 24th 2011 | 8:26 pm
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Originally Posted by airways
I have not told anyone what to do, nor have I lectured anyone so don't give me that crap. I have lived and worked all over the world so have a perspective on overseas living.

Jesus Christ, do you think because I have not moved yet it does not give me a right to express an opinion? Especially an opinion about the UK. If their life is that bad in the US why don't they bog off elsewhere instead of winging about it?

This forum is polarized into people who love the USA and this who have not had a good time. Unfortunately the balance of posting is from those who had a bad time winging about it and trying to convince others it's all crap and they should leave or not even bother making the move.

For years I wondered why my kiwi friend who moved to the UK referred to us as winging poms. God do I know now.

Life is what you make of it.
Well said !!
 
Old Jan 24th 2011 | 8:33 pm
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Default Re: Is this really, that terrible compared to UK?

Originally Posted by Bradford Lass
So everyone has the right to have a gun because a few hundred years ago it was the wild west? even if they are nuts! you dont think some rights might be amended to go along with the times?
Well said..my thoughts exactly !
 
Old Jan 24th 2011 | 9:49 pm
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Originally Posted by airways
This forum is polarized into people who love the USA and this who have not had a good time. Unfortunately the balance of posting is from those who had a bad time winging about it and trying to convince others it's all crap and they should leave or not even bother making the move.
Well, for what it's worth I generally prefer it here (USA) and i'm quite glad not to be in the UK right now. I haven't posted because I don't really have anything to complain about. Plus if I say I have had a positive experience might come across as boasting given so many people's crappy experiences.
 
Old Jan 25th 2011 | 2:16 am
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Originally Posted by Bradford Lass
So everyone has the right to have a gun because a few hundred years ago it was the wild west?
Don't be silly. Everyone has the right to own a gun because the US Constitution says they have that right, and the US Supreme Court has upheld that right.


you dont think some rights might be amended to go along with the times?
Without being presumptuous, perhaps you don't fully understand the meaning of the word "rights". Rights must never be abridged. Full stop. End of story.

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Old Jan 25th 2011 | 2:42 am
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Originally Posted by ian-mstm
Without being presumptuous, perhaps you don't fully understand the meaning of the word "rights". Rights must never be abridged. Full stop. End of story.
My right to own slaves has certainly been removed.
 
Old Jan 25th 2011 | 2:44 am
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Originally Posted by Giantaxe
My right to own slaves has certainly been removed.
Ah... but was it ever actually a right?

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Old Jan 25th 2011 | 2:44 am
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Originally Posted by ian-mstm
Without being presumptuous, perhaps you don't fully understand the meaning of the word "rights". Rights must never be abridged. Full stop. End of story.

Ian
Err, what are all those amendments to the constitution then.....I think the word BL used was "amend" not abridge...?
 
Old Jan 25th 2011 | 2:45 am
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Originally Posted by md95065
My partner has medicare and, while it certainly does "work" it is also hideously complicated with literally thousands of different add-on plans run by private insurance companies for things like prescription drug coverage that obviously employ the same people who put together cell phone calling plans to make it impossible to figure out what anything will really cost or to do a sensible comparison between plans because every single one of them is different!!! ... and these plans are practically offered on a per zip code basis!
I guess you could say it is. My Dad used an insurance agent (someone he's used for years and has confidence in) and bought into the plans he recommended. Like I said, it's how it's done in this country and probably does seem rather complicated to folks from other countries who are used to a different system.
 
Old Jan 25th 2011 | 2:52 am
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Originally Posted by Bradford Lass
So everyone has the right to have a gun because a few hundred years ago it was the wild west? even if they are nuts! you dont think some rights might be amended to go along with the times?
Like I said before, oldies like my Dad and his generation would have a problem with having their "rights" taken away. They own guns, always have and know how to use them responsibly. My hubby on the other hand has always been a city dweller and would probably agree with you. He's never owned a gun and quite frankly the idea of using one on a burgler would scare him half to death
 
Old Jan 25th 2011 | 2:53 am
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Originally Posted by Yorkieabroad
Err, what are all those amendments to the constitution then.....I think the word BL used was "amend" not abridge...?
You're right, she used "amend"... my bad. Every amendment to the US Constitution expands and/or clarifies rights - they do not curtail rights.

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Old Jan 25th 2011 | 2:58 am
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Originally Posted by ian-mstm

Without being presumptuous, perhaps you don't fully understand the meaning of the word "rights". Rights must never be abridged. Full stop. End of story.

Ian
Who decides on the definition rights though? As has been said, people used to have the right to keep slaves but times change. Many would concider access to healthcare a right.
 
Old Jan 25th 2011 | 3:10 am
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Originally Posted by ian-mstm
You're right, she used "amend"... my bad. Every amendment to the US Constitution expands and/or clarifies rights - they do not curtail rights.

Ian
So you're saying its a ratchet effect then? It can only go one way? Rights can be expanded, but not curtailed, even if it is the will of the people to do so? (take this away from guns for a moment, just a general query!)
 
Old Jan 25th 2011 | 3:17 am
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Originally Posted by Sally Redux
Who decides on the definition rights though? As has been said, people used to have the right to keep slaves but times change. Many would concider access to healthcare a right.
You've got a point there.

Woe betide anyone who doesn't want a gun though
 
Old Jan 25th 2011 | 3:21 am
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Originally Posted by ian-mstm
Ah... but was it ever actually a right?

Ian
What in the Constitution prevented it? Or what Supreme Court decisions prevented it back when the Constitution was framed? Dred Scott anyone?
 
Old Jan 25th 2011 | 3:26 am
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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing
You've got a point there.

Woe betide anyone who doesn't want a gun though
Sure if you live where Chartreuse does in Texas. Apparently it's a felony not to own one there. Luckily he likes guns. I don't, we don't own one, we don't want or need one. Depends on which state you live in really. The different states can make individual amendments to the gun laws. That's the way to go if you want to change anything. You could start an initiative and stand at Walmart and see how many signatures you can get If you get enough signatures it will be on the next ballot
 


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