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Old Feb 4th 2011 | 2:59 pm
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Originally Posted by Desdemona
We can argue till the cows come home, but these are the fact of life as far life here in the US. I've never heard an American complain, they work hard to earn a decent wage, have little vacation time but have no real grouse as long as they are working at something and have a decent lifestyle. Which is what we do have in this country. And I've never really heard of Americans leaving in droves for foreign shores because "the grass is greener".
I think that is because many Americans have no idea there are any greener grases ...

From dot, Americans are bought up to believe America is the best Country on earth ,and (apparently) the only free one lol !

I know we have already touched on this many times ,not an earth shattering point -but I am always surprised how cocooned many of my American friends and family are .

However,I have loved many, many aspects of my life here ...some things are going to be hard to replace elsewhere
 
Old Feb 4th 2011 | 3:02 pm
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Originally Posted by Giantaxe
Lol. That certainly used to be the case. One could have a very comfortable life in the US with little education and employment in the kind of sectors we've been discussing. It's increasingly less the case as jobs get off-shored, social mobility decreases and the cost of healthcare and education continues to increase at a rate far higher than inflation. It's no surprise that an increasing proportion of welth is now in the hands of a small percentage of the population. Perhaps if Americans weren't so docile and actually stood up for their rights - ironic eh? - they wouldn't get trampled on so much in the employment field?
Once again, I am forced to agree with you My brother is once again the case in point. Graduated September of 2009 with a degree in IT but still to break into the field of his choice. He languishes in Hawaii in a dead-end job making application after application looking for that elusive first job which even in better times is hard to come by. Like I said, he doesn't complain but I can only guess at how he's feeling while he tries to stay on top of his student loans.

Where would they go? The kind of people that are screwed by what's happening in this country - typically those with less skills and qualifications - aren't exactly in demand much in the English-speaking world these days.
True. They are probably better off than those saddled with crippling student loans.
 
Old Feb 4th 2011 | 3:14 pm
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Originally Posted by Gabgoeshome
I think that is because many Americans have no idea there are any greener grases ...
In truth there aren't ! The problem is worldwide.
From dot, Americans are bought up to believe America is the best Country on earth ,and (apparently) the only free one lol !

I know we have already touched on this many times ,not an earth shattering point -but I am always surprised how cocooned many of my American friends and family are.
Not everyone. We just box along waiting for better times. I worry about my bro. Just read Giantaxe's post to my Dad who has just dropped by and he is 100% in agreement.

However,I have loved many, many aspects of my life here ...some things are going to be hard to replace elsewhere
I'm pleased to hear that. Things will get better. I've said this before, historically the the US has always overcome and survived. My grandparents talk about worse times in US history. Hang in there things will get better

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Old Feb 4th 2011 | 3:23 pm
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Originally Posted by Gabgoeshome
I think that is because many Americans have no idea there are any greener grases ...

From dot, Americans are bought up to believe America is the best Country on earth ,and (apparently) the only free one lol !

I know we have already touched on this many times ,not an earth shattering point -but I am always surprised how cocooned many of my American friends and family are .

However,I have loved many, many aspects of my life here ...some things are going to be hard to replace elsewhere
IMO many of the Americans who post on here are well aware of green pastures elsewhere. Unfortunately there are wannabe Brits who love to sit on the fence and stir the pot.
 
Old Feb 4th 2011 | 3:49 pm
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IMO many of the Americans who post on here are well aware of green pastures elsewhere. Unfortunately there are wannabe Brits who love to sit on the fence and stir the pot.
true .
 
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I just spent a couple of weeks in the UK, met up with friends etc, got myself updated which you really can not do from afar.

Obviously things are in the shitter on both sides of the Atlantic, and it is not as if there is not a realisation, just read the newspapers, I was surprised at the level of despondency.

The US is less willing to sink, that seems the biggest difference. UK has given up.
 
Old Feb 4th 2011 | 5:18 pm
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Originally Posted by Desdemona
Once again, I am forced to agree with you My brother is once again the case in point. Graduated September of 2009 with a degree in IT but still to break into the field of his choice. He languishes in Hawaii in a dead-end job making application after application looking for that elusive first job which even in better times is hard to come by. Like I said, he doesn't complain but I can only guess at how he's feeling while he tries to stay on top of his student loans.



True. They are probably better off than those saddled with crippling student loans.
Well if I was going to languish anywhere, Hawaii would be a good place to do it. Maybe he'd have more luck on the mainland.
 
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Well if I was going to languish anywhere, Hawaii would be a good place to do it. Maybe he'd have more luck on the mainland.
I know Basically, I think he realises it's an uphill task even looking for an entry level job these days. Lazy bugger, he just wants to laze on the beach and enjoy the sunshine and wait for things to blow over, I guess Typical!
 
Old Feb 5th 2011 | 4:29 pm
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I think it's obvious that employers that treat their staff well, have higher productivity and company loyalty. It's not very productive if you keep having to train different people in the same job over and over again is it? Not to mention the cost of advertising positions, interviewing etc etc.
That's a good point. I work for an employee owned company. As a brand new employee, you have 3 weeks of vacation. After three years, you have four weeks of vacation. In addition we have an option that allows you to either "buy" or "sell" a week of vacation ... basically you can take an extra week unpaid or get paid for one week you don't want (if you so choose).

The company isn't perfect and there are days when I find it frustrating (that's just work I guess) but our turnover is crazy low. I don't think that's a coincidence.
 
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Okay ... having read the whole thread, my reaction is AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

I've read more snarkiness in this thread than I've read in a LONG time. It's tiresome.

Have a nice day.
 
Old Feb 5th 2011 | 4:40 pm
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Originally Posted by Kaffy Mintcake
That's a good point. I work for an employee owned company. As a brand new employee, you have 3 weeks of vacation. After three years, you have four weeks of vacation. In addition we have an option that allows you to either "buy" or "sell" a week of vacation ... basically you can take an extra week unpaid or get paid for one week you don't want (if you so choose).

The company isn't perfect and there are days when I find it frustrating (that's just work I guess) but our turnover is crazy low. I don't think that's a coincidence.
Of course its not. And its not rocket science. And its been around since Cadbury in the mid 1800's (or maybe even earlier). I know Harvard Business School used to do case studies on Cadburys approach to employee relations - I just wonder why it doesn't seem to translate thru to practice in the workplace - instead you have the attitude mentioned in an earlier post that american workers like to work so its OK to treat them like sh!t because they'd respect you in the morning....
 

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