johnnybrown532

What happens to unemployment benefits if an unemployed american doesn't want to take the kind of job the illegals are doing?

HumphreyC

Those expulsions killed somewhere between 500,000 and 1.5m people (mostly women and children) through ill treatment, starvation and disease.

I don't know that I would want to say they were highly successful. For one thing the postwar stability was made possible by the lengthy occupation of and rehabilitation of Germany and the continuing presence of German minorities did not destabilize Italy, Romania, Hungary or Russia. The whole thing was a pretty shameful episode and should not have been allowed to happen.

It sounds reasonable on the face of it but when you look at the numbers it turns out it's completely insane

There's about 11.5m illegal immigrants in the US. Deporting these illegals - according to data from the department of homeland security - would costs $239bn over five years. According to some projections the removal of these immigrants would reduce economic growth by around $250bn a year. Needless to say you would need to set up a massive police state style apparatus to track down all those people.

Ricky_85

One of the provision of Obama's executive order is to deviate money from the interior and from ICE to the border and to the CBP. ICE will only, admittedly, focus on those who committed felonies.
Does that mean that ICE controls/follow-ups/raids will not ever again take place?

Hotscot

Nope. I'm not on that bandwagon in the slightest.

I stipulated that any contractor had to use a legal workforce, be covered for personal liability etc

My discussions determined that not all of them could fulfill that requirement so I didn't want them on the property.

scrubbedexpat099

What has their personal liability insuran e got to do with anything?

Just wondering how you checked legal presence?

scrubbedexpat099

Those numbers are enough to provide every man woman and child a car to drive home.

Now if we exclude those too young to drive legally then we could probably be looking at a nice SUV.

One vehicle for each family and we are in the luxury class.

I remember reading similar numbers quoted in relation to the UK. All nonsense of course.

johnnybrown532

5 years to remove even 90% of the illegals from the country is optimistic. It is probably a
ten year task. Because as they are removed new arrivals will take their place even if more are remove than arrive it will still take a very long time achieve very big cuts in illegal presence.

Hotscot

I asked them.

I stipulated that a legal workforce was required. Some were not prepared to guarantee that as it would raise the cost of their bid.

Regarding insurance. When it became clear that some workers were not actually legal 'employees' and therefore not covered by the contractors insurance that's when the question for independent insurance by individual workers came into question. In case there was a situation where someone damaged a roof for example, or screwed up the plumbing.

The whole process of building our house was quite educational. We had to get up to speed rapidly.

(And to cut a long story short, we ended up suing one of the contractors and the Contractors Licensing Board, in their year long investigation, did indeed determine that this specific contractor used an illegal workforce in addition to other violations of State Contractor Law.)

Sally Redux

Honestly, I never really understood how it all worked. I think every contractor in LA uses illegal labour to some extent.

Hotscot

The big risk is letting someone on your property that's not legally entitled to be there.
Big insurance risk.

(We actually sued and won because our chimney caught fire. Installed by a contractor using unqualified illegal workers.
We could have died...but there I was, ended up on the roof during Thanksgiving, with a hose and a real worry that the roof was about to collapse.)

scrubbedexpat099

Obviously it depends.

When I was in California I saw the day labourers lined up at Home Depot. Now that would be very unusual
In Colorado.

I know people who work in Construction. It does also vary by trade. Landscaping at one end, Electrical/Plumbing at the other.

I walk the dog past a small new build development and I see the comings and goings. Quite how you were able to ask every sub contractor on site amazes me.

I remeber a roofing guy who was very anti using illegal labour. He very much gave me the impression he was the only one who did not!

scrubbedexpat099

What did their legal status have to do with it?

Hotscot

'Under federal law, it is illegal for any employer to hire, recruit or refer for a fee any alien not authorized to work in the United States. This includes hiring contractors who employ illegal immigrants. There are criminal and civil penalties associated with this conduct.'

Massive liability issue.

The State Contractors Board certainly found it so.

Sally Redux

For the contractor though.

Hotscot

If anyone not covered by insurance, as a legal employee, got badly hurt on my property that could make me liable. For example.