Michael Jackson - Trial should be stopped..
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But of course the rules in Florida all change in Oct ..
Aaah indeedy. Did Jeb sign it yet or are we still waiting do you know?
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Originally Posted by Lizzi
The huge payout that was made to one of the boys does beg the question - if you were innocent why would you fork out $20m?
There is no evidence to his guilt - in 15 years this is the *BEST* the DA can come up with and that's with 20 times more resources looking into it that look into a typical street murder case.... And this BEST is trying to say that Jackson molested the boy AFTER the bashir video. Yeah, right!!
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Originally Posted by Manc
and once they have sued you, lets hope you carry enough liability on your house insurance.
cos if the jury thinks you weren't acting in self defense you're screwed.
cos if the jury thinks you weren't acting in self defense you're screwed.
From my Bar studying days, the felon's case would be dismissed under summary judgment motion. The case would not even get to court. A criminal in someone's home engaged in a criminal act that the house owner or occupier believes poses a grave threat to his/her family can use lethal force. In fact, the cynical among us might think lethal force would avoid civil litigation for, e.g., medical costs of treating the felon should the felon survive.
A jury would buy into the argument that an intruder (particularly one that has previous criminal convictions of entering and stealing or otherwise committing a felony act in someone's else’s house/apartment/abode) is up to no good and was not inside the owner's house to provide comfort and charity to the mother/father/children in the household. An intruder who gets shot insides someone's house/apartment is not going to get much sympathy from a jury, unless the facts speak clearly to a reckless act on the part of the shooter, e.g. a woman party guest who re-enters a property to pick up her coat having left the property momentarily and remembers she doesn't have her coat and re-enters to get shot by the house-owner. Clearly in such circumstances the house owner should be cognizant of the obvious possibility that someone might come back while the party is ongoing to pick up their forgotten coat.
Each case is decided on the facts, fact-pattern as explained to the Jury (if it gets that far). No sane jury would convict a father or mother protecting their kids against an intruder so long as there was a reasonable belief that the there was risk of serious harm to the members of the family. No sane jury would convict, no sane Sheriff would argue against such a father or mother shooting in their own home to protect their kids in their own home against an intruder.
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Originally Posted by Leslie66
What about this guy....
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/04/18/detective.killed.ap/
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:scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:
What about him?
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Originally Posted by frankieforehead
Probably been said before...but there ain't smoke without fire... At first i thought he was just wierd, and I swung towards the innocent....But I think as time goes by and the evidence mounts.....He's Guilty....A shame really.
Still, after the $20m pay-out, Jackson has sold more records than ever - and will continue to do so - strange world....
The Mother should go to jail after this. JC - Penny should throw the book at her and THEY SHOULD NEVER HAVE PAID HER EITHER - America pays to settle because COURT costs (laywers costs) are WAY TO HIGH.... IMHO...
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Originally Posted by franc111s
Hey Frankie, what evidence ? I guess that's what the Jury decides right. So far, I've seen the defence virtually dismiss all the evidence easily since most of the prosecution is from pathalogial liars (like the women with the finger in the chilli). THey even put evidence up that's pathetic - i.e. it's not even evidence but they have so little, they have to put anything forward as a possibility. Even the Air Stewardess that was on more flights than each or any of the "kids" put together - testified she NEVER saw ANYTHING inappropriate and it was HER idea to put win in coke cans (good idea to me when drinking around kids)....
Still, after the $20m pay-out, Jackson has sold more records than ever - and will continue to do so - strange world....
The Mother should go to jail after this. JC - Penny should throw the book at her and THEY SHOULD NEVER HAVE PAID HER EITHER - America pays to settle because COURT costs (laywers costs) are WAY TO HIGH.... IMHO...
Still, after the $20m pay-out, Jackson has sold more records than ever - and will continue to do so - strange world....
The Mother should go to jail after this. JC - Penny should throw the book at her and THEY SHOULD NEVER HAVE PAID HER EITHER - America pays to settle because COURT costs (laywers costs) are WAY TO HIGH.... IMHO...
MJ paid out $20 million while there is ample evidence to support the prosecution's argument that MJ is not easily persuaded to give up money when he doesn't want to.
It is down to the Jury who will hear all the evidence and witness testimony to sort through what is credible and not credible to arrive at a verdict on each count. Maybe the Jury will not be able to reach a verdict on every count, but the Jury only has to find MJ guilty on one count for MJ to go to jail.
The Judge is not going to conclude that there is a lack of evidence to convict, since there’s not much chance of that happening, such arguments that speak to the contrary are blowing smoke.
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... what about him? Didn't he fall from a third floor window?
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Originally Posted by Leslie66
I thought it was a nice segue with the discussion having turned to the use of deadly force in cases of self defense.
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Besides that photo is hideous and should be seen by as many people as possible.
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Besides that photo is hideous and should be seen by as many people as possible.
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Originally Posted by franc111s
The Mother should go to jail after this. JC - Penny should throw the book at her and THEY SHOULD NEVER HAVE PAID HER EITHER - America pays to settle because COURT costs (laywers costs) are WAY TO HIGH.... IMHO...
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Originally Posted by NC Penguin
For the non-attorneys amongst us, could we have that in layman's English please?
Anyway, I always find Wikipedia good for cutting through lawyer BS. There's a nice, easy explanation here.
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Originally Posted by franc111s
Hey Frankie, what evidence ? I guess that's what the Jury decides right. So far, I've seen the defence virtually dismiss all the evidence easily since most of the prosecution is from pathalogial liars (like the women with the finger in the chilli). THey even put evidence up that's pathetic - i.e. it's not even evidence but they have so little, they have to put anything forward as a possibility. Even the Air Stewardess that was on more flights than each or any of the "kids" put together - testified she NEVER saw ANYTHING inappropriate and it was HER idea to put win in coke cans (good idea to me when drinking around kids)....
Still, after the $20m pay-out, Jackson has sold more records than ever - and will continue to do so - strange world....
The Mother should go to jail after this. JC - Penny should throw the book at her and THEY SHOULD NEVER HAVE PAID HER EITHER - America pays to settle because COURT costs (laywers costs) are WAY TO HIGH.... IMHO...
Still, after the $20m pay-out, Jackson has sold more records than ever - and will continue to do so - strange world....
The Mother should go to jail after this. JC - Penny should throw the book at her and THEY SHOULD NEVER HAVE PAID HER EITHER - America pays to settle because COURT costs (laywers costs) are WAY TO HIGH.... IMHO...
Are you a huge Michael Jackson fan or are you just passionate about the case?
If he's found guilty will you feel differently?
Also I read on the BBC news website about the stewardess and there was no report of her ever saying it was her idea to put the booze in coke cans just that she did it for him. However, like so many have said what we can take as gospel from the media and what we aren't being told we will never know.
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Originally Posted by SarahUK
Are you a huge Michael Jackson fan or are you just passionate about the case?
If he's found guilty will you feel differently?
Also I read on the BBC news website about the stewardess and there was no report of her ever saying it was her idea to put the booze in coke cans just that she did it for him. However, like so many have said what we can take as gospel from the media and what we aren't being told we will never know.
If he's found guilty will you feel differently?
Also I read on the BBC news website about the stewardess and there was no report of her ever saying it was her idea to put the booze in coke cans just that she did it for him. However, like so many have said what we can take as gospel from the media and what we aren't being told we will never know.
I am definately NOT a huge fan. I think some of his music is good. I definately feel sorry for him. I have read in the past about how young he was and how his child-hood was stolen from him. I can relate to that a little. However I confess that I believe Jackson to be stuck in a time warp - still as a child and hardly an adult. Just some of his actions to the crowd, the chimp, neverland - all of this seems like what a child would do. Heck what I wanted at a young age. My 16 year old kids share beds on sleep-overs, I figure Michael at about 12 and believe his sleep-overs are nothing more than that - is it wrong - yes in today's society - definately. Is it illegal - not when 95% of the time they don't share with you that the rest of the family all "hang out in the bedroom" (his play house) too. Parents, the lot. It's the parents who choose to leave their kids alone on "sleep-overs" (that MUST be what they THOUGHT too - right else they would have ALL said NO).
When he rides on the rides at Neverland - he doesn't lok for one second likes he's "getting off on kids" - most of his money goes to help 1000's of underprivalidged kids at Neverland - but of course, you rarely see that. If you think Jackson is smart and pulling the wool over everyones eyes then that to me makes him even less guilty because if he was THIS smart - do YOU think he would molest a kid - 2 days after the Bashir Video. Last but not least, McCauly Caulkin who spent so much time (as a kid with Jackson) will testify and end this farce.
I truly believe JACKSON is not guilty but I TRULY believe ALL PEADOPHILES should be locked up for life - Now aren't I strange !!
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he's innocent
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