Horrible maternity leave
Jan 23rd 2007, 4:31 am
#106
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Re: Horrible maternity leave
Yeah, working for a power company that is guarenteed a profit no matter what they spend... on the backs of their poor customers who HAVE to use their monopolistic service is wonderful. I love paying $200/month for electric thatactually only costs them pennies.
As for the 'great companies with Unions', one only has to look at the Big 3 auto makers and their suppliers to see how well they are doing (GM/Ford on the verge of bancruptcy, Delphi, Visteon, Dana, Tower Automotive etc already in the crapper)... all union I believe, with utterly unbelivable wages and work rules- that in a large part have driven the formerly union jobs off shore.
As for the 'great companies with Unions', one only has to look at the Big 3 auto makers and their suppliers to see how well they are doing (GM/Ford on the verge of bancruptcy, Delphi, Visteon, Dana, Tower Automotive etc already in the crapper)... all union I believe, with utterly unbelivable wages and work rules- that in a large part have driven the formerly union jobs off shore.
I think the auto unions have made a big mistake.
Saying that, I know someone who works for the "Local" electrical union in NYC and they do well, because all public work has to be done by them.
Jan 23rd 2007, 4:32 am
#107
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Re: Horrible maternity leave
We sacrificed financially for a few years until my kids started elementary school so that my wife could stay home with them. So believe me when I say I do not think that it is unimportant for a Mother to spend all possible time with the children, quite the opposite..
You and your wife chose to take things into your own hands and put your children's welfare first, regardless of the sacrifices that had to be made and you didn't seem to expect anyone else to help you out.
That deserves a great deal of respect imo.
Jan 23rd 2007, 4:43 am
#108
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Re: Horrible maternity leave
So the reason we have kids is to look after old people - that's certainly a novel (and incredibly selfish) concept.
We went through this last night and you didn't even attempt to come up with one reason why encouraging people to breed is a good idea, apart from the welfare of the next generation of elderly. What about generations who will follow in 80, 90, 100, 200 years time ???
Overpopulation obviously isn't an issue to you then - space on the planet is as much a resource as fresh water, fossil fuels, etc and you clearly don't give a damn.
I suggest you go out and buy yourself a massive SUV whilst you're at it and be done with it.
We went through this last night and you didn't even attempt to come up with one reason why encouraging people to breed is a good idea, apart from the welfare of the next generation of elderly. What about generations who will follow in 80, 90, 100, 200 years time ???
Overpopulation obviously isn't an issue to you then - space on the planet is as much a resource as fresh water, fossil fuels, etc and you clearly don't give a damn.
I suggest you go out and buy yourself a massive SUV whilst you're at it and be done with it.
Parents make a lot of sacrifices bringing up the next generation and deserve some help with this important task.
You clearly hate children, and this is clouding your judgement. Otherwise not even you could be so dumb as equate having children with buying gas-guzzling cars.
Jan 23rd 2007, 4:47 am
#109
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Re: Horrible maternity leave
You seem to think that women on maternity leave are simply cut off from their employers. In the UK, employers will usually make sure that these employees are kept in the loop about developments in the workplace.
Certainly when I was on maternity leave I was copied on all important memos and had regular telephone updates on what was happening in the company. I continued to read the trade journals.
Also, I would be invited to all company functions, including the mandatory Friday after-work drinks. But I forget, you don't have those in the US, do you...
Certainly when I was on maternity leave I was copied on all important memos and had regular telephone updates on what was happening in the company. I continued to read the trade journals.
Also, I would be invited to all company functions, including the mandatory Friday after-work drinks. But I forget, you don't have those in the US, do you...
Australia also allows for 3 years unpaid maternity leave if I am not mistaken, and I don't see their economy suffering as a result. Businesses support their female workforce and take the maternity question into account.
Here, people are just numbers on a spreadsheet and companies just don't give an eff about their staff. They don't care whether you're a loyal employee or not, you'll get the pink slip regardless.
Jan 23rd 2007, 5:02 am
#110
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Re: Horrible maternity leave
Really ???
Where have I said that ???
I suppose if you can't think of a sensible counter argument you'll just start making stuff up - you'll be calling me racist next....
If you are going to have kids you really should be prepared to pay for them yourself, and bring them up yourself as best you can. Having kids and expecting the government to pay or assist is hardly very sensible, is it ??
Where have I said that ???
I suppose if you can't think of a sensible counter argument you'll just start making stuff up - you'll be calling me racist next....
If you are going to have kids you really should be prepared to pay for them yourself, and bring them up yourself as best you can. Having kids and expecting the government to pay or assist is hardly very sensible, is it ??
With your argument, a lot of ordinary people will never be able to have kids. I had to wait to 31 to have enough money to take some maternity leave, believe me it isn't easy for most men to magically earn enough to support a family.
Jan 23rd 2007, 5:12 am
#111
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Re: Horrible maternity leave
Parents make a lot of sacrifices bringing up the next generation and deserve some help with this important task.
You clearly hate children, and this is clouding your judgement. Otherwise not even you could be so dumb as equate having children with buying gas-guzzling cars.
Jan 23rd 2007, 5:13 am
#112
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Re: Horrible maternity leave
no more ridiculous than the modern perception that women can raise a family and have a full career
With your argument, a lot of ordinary people will never be able to have kids. I had to wait to 31 to have enough money to take some maternity leave, believe me it isn't easy for most men to magically earn enough to support a family.
With your argument, a lot of ordinary people will never be able to have kids. I had to wait to 31 to have enough money to take some maternity leave, believe me it isn't easy for most men to magically earn enough to support a family.
Jan 23rd 2007, 5:15 am
#113
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Re: Horrible maternity leave
So the reason we have kids is to look after old people - that's certainly a novel (and incredibly selfish) concept.
We went through this last night and you didn't even attempt to come up with one reason why encouraging people to breed is a good idea, apart from the welfare of the next generation of elderly. What about generations who will follow in 80, 90, 100, 200 years time ???
Overpopulation obviously isn't an issue to you then - space on the planet is as much a resource as fresh water, fossil fuels, etc and you clearly don't give a damn.
I suggest you go out and buy yourself a massive SUV whilst you're at it and be done with it.
We went through this last night and you didn't even attempt to come up with one reason why encouraging people to breed is a good idea, apart from the welfare of the next generation of elderly. What about generations who will follow in 80, 90, 100, 200 years time ???
Overpopulation obviously isn't an issue to you then - space on the planet is as much a resource as fresh water, fossil fuels, etc and you clearly don't give a damn.
I suggest you go out and buy yourself a massive SUV whilst you're at it and be done with it.
In the third world, the opposite is true and I think there should be population control there, if anywhere. Easier said than done.
Jan 23rd 2007, 5:15 am
#114
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Re: Horrible maternity leave
Gosh Rete, I guess previous generations had fewer working mums.
Jan 23rd 2007, 5:23 am
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Re: Horrible maternity leave
Maybe we should do a poll on how many people here had mothers and grandmothers who worked outside the home.
And perhaps someone can dig up some data on the proportions of fathers who earned enough to support basic survival of a 2 adults + 2 kids family from, say, 1900 onwards to the present day.
And perhaps someone can dig up some data on the proportions of fathers who earned enough to support basic survival of a 2 adults + 2 kids family from, say, 1900 onwards to the present day.
Jan 23rd 2007, 5:24 am
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Re: Horrible maternity leave
Jan 23rd 2007, 5:27 am
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Re: Horrible maternity leave
And it's not easy to reenter the workforce after a long absence.
Last edited by Elvira; Jan 23rd 2007 at 5:31 am.
Jan 23rd 2007, 5:28 am
#118
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Re: Horrible maternity leave
Yeah, that forkeforce is terribly intimidating....
Jan 23rd 2007, 5:29 am
#119
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Re: Horrible maternity leave
Do human beings not consume the earth's resources ???
If that's a yes you're mumbling to yourself then the comparison is a valid one.
I can't wait to see what hysterics you come up with next.
