I do not have access to any Government Data Bases or systems that I used when I was employed by CBSA.

All the systems I mention are public domain knowledge available on the Internet and the disclosure of such systems is not prohibited nor am I committing any offence by mentioning them or what they are used for.

I have never divulged how we use or what systems we have access to and how we operate which is not a matter of public record.

I have no idea what you are talking about where you state I have been advised that this must not happen again. Please elaborate?

Certain ex Government employees can be subject to future employment opportunities and disclosure of information to new employers and I am not bound by those.

If people would even have the courtesy to read links I provide will see that they come from official Govt websites available on the internet and any court rulings/decisions are also a matter of public record.

For those who think I am stupid enough to give away actual Confidential, Restricted or even Secret information then I have a bridge to sell them.

Whoosh

I actually live under a flight path so I am used to the sounds of planes overhead.



See how things can be misconstrued when a poster does not understand what others mean by

Advised this must not happen again??????

What must not happen again me commenting on topics by my former employer, by moderators or posters on this forum or other?

I guess in these somewhat divisive and tense times posters might miss subtle banter, obvious or non obvious playful jesting.

My daughter was born in Germany, in a US Air Force Hospital, and therefore was considered an American citizen. My DH is American citizen. Until 1983 she was denied a British passport because of male-only rules for passing on citizenship. When the rules changed she applied for British citizenship, and paid $850 for it. She obtained a British pp thereafter. She has since not updated it, and travels on her US pp. Her US pp states she was born in Germany. Can she get an ETA as a US citizen? How would they know she had claimed British citizenship?

If you are a dual citizen UK/Other and living overseas and residing in that country and only in possession of that country and hold UK citizenship then you cannot apply for the ETA and must apply for a UK passport.

I have no idea how the UK checks ETA applications and I would never advocate any poster to apply for any Govt programme where all information has not been disclosed if asked about do you hold citizenship of any other country type question on application forms.

As stated she previously has held a UK passport.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/electron...-dual-citizens

Well they say they are tightening up migration controls in the UK and how is that going so far?

The onus of proof to prove one’s citizenship is on the person seeking entry into a country and of course this can be done a number of ways be it a passport or some other acceptable document to show the authorities. But there again it’s not like those documents produced have found to be fake, altered or forged.

Yes we accepted a 2nd citizenship for a variety of reasons however many of us did this many many years ago when this was not the law. Yes laws can also be changed.

I notice like me you have posted this reply on numerous threads for other countries is this your opinion or just stating what the Govt is saying and that you agree with this?

So in my case I took up my 2nd citizenship about 35 years ago (35 this year) and never renewed my UK passport.

So please give us querying this new law/policy a sensible reply/argument to the following

I am a dual citizen and have been for 35 years. I want to go back to visit relatives in the UK and I hold a valid Canadian passport and will gladly pay the fees for the eTA. I do have a copy of my birth certificate from the UK, an expired passport and NI number. I also have supporting documents showing I served in HM Forces and the Lancashire Constabulary.

Based on the above why cannot I apply for the eTA?

From the UK Govt website

All British citizens automatically have right of abode in the UK.

https://www.gov.uk/right-of-abode

In my case I am not returning to live or work in the UK and even if I was I have an automatic right according to that publication but I now see they have added this

You can prove you have right of abode if you have a UK passport describing you as a British citizen or British subject with right of abode.

Oh but FL you are just being a PITA or just arguing for arguments sake.

Well actually that was my previous job to examine people entering Canada and the last 8 years putting forward cases to ask for non citizens to be removed from Canada so forgive me for arguing my case why I don’t think it was as well thought policy from my POV.

The UK is only moving to the same system as many countries, including Canada, that their citizens must leave and depart on their country’s passport. It really doesn’t matter if it makes sense or not, it’s just the law and consistent with many other countries.

Not quite true as I can leave Canada on any valid passport providing I have any relevant visa/eTA that the airline check in agents require. I can then return and fly into the USA on that same passport with an ESTA. I can then rent a car and then drive across the US/Canada border or be picked up by another and then present that passport and other proof of Canadian citizenship at the Canadian side and as long as I satisfy the examining officer that I am still a Canadian then they CANNOT refuse me entry. Sure they can give me a hard time for not having a Canadian passport. The rule is only for flying directly into Canada and I have just shown you how it can be done if not flying.Dual Canadian citizens can no longer travel to or transit through Canada by air with a non-Canadian passport. You need a valid Canadian passport to board your flight.

If your country needs you to enter and exit that country using a passport issued by its government, you will still need a valid Canadian passport to board your flight to Canada.

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...it-canada.html

Land borders are different, so you're comparing apples and oranges. The UK is an island, so unless you're coming via Ireland (no Passport required), or a Ferry/Channel Tunnel with juxtaposed controls you're basically always flying. The US requires it, the EU will shortly require it, Canada requires it so I think you're being obtuse for singling out the UK. The UK doesn't care that you acquired Canadian Citizenship, *you* chose to do so (in fact, you're lucky the UK allows this, some Countries don't). Being a Citizen of a Country gives you rights and *responsibilities* and I don't think keeping a valid Passport is particularly onerous (especially with how efficient HMPO is these days), to say otherwise is very much a first world problem in my opinion.

My daughter is visiting the UK in summer. She has an up-to-date UK and US passport, so she will be OK. However, her daughter only has a US passport and my daughter was planning on applying for her daughter's UK passport while they are in the UK. Will my grand-daughter be able to apply for the electronic visa as she doesn't yet have a British passport? She was born in the US.

Assuming your Granddaughter is a British Citizen (not a given just because her Mum is) - yes she needs a British Passport.

https://www.gov.uk/check-british-citizenship

Just checked my Bingo card and I already have obtuse marked off. Of course I am singling out the UK as I have dual citizenship with it so who is being obtuse now?

Please forgive a really stupid question, but how do they know you're a dual citizen?

If you don't tell Border Control and just turn up with a Spanish passport, will they refuse entry?

Or do non UK citizens all need a visa to visit?

I think that if you have never held a British passport then there will be no problem. My US passport states place of birth as “England” so even if border control’s records don’t show me as being a dual citizen then the birthplace is a bit of a giveaway.

Can I be really obtuse or some other label and point out an alternate view on this statement.

Now most people would assume or hold the view that if you were born in the UK then you are a UK citizen. Not an unreasonable thought HOWEVER

You’re usually a British citizen automatically if you were born in the UK. If born in the UK before 1 January 1983 see below

There are 3 exceptions. You will not be a British citizen if:

your father was a diplomat working for a foreign country

your mother was a diplomat working for a foreign country and you were born on or after 10 April 1968

your father was an ‘enemy alien in occupation’ in the Channel Islands during World War 2

https://www.gov.uk/check-british-cit...1-january-1983

Now if born between 1 January 1983 and 1 October 2000 then consult the below link to see if automatically a UK citizen.

https://www.gov.uk/check-british-cit...1-october-2000

Facts matter not opinions or assumptions.

So a passport can show you born in England but not actually a dual citizen.