Franklin

A particular class of molecules containing carbons, hydrogens and oxygens are converted in our bodies to carbon dioxide and water - so I guess under your theory our own bodies are damaging the ozone layer.

snowbunny

I'm going back to first principles: the way to lower the price of a finite resource is to lower demand, whether this is done on a personal basis or mandated by a government. None of the solutions Bush has proposed can provide more refined gasoline immediately. He could, at a minimum, request a bit of voluntary conservation, no?

My point was merely that he did not address *how* we got into this jam nor how we could ease it immediately. Global warming and SUVs aside, we are up shit creek without a paddle. Unless one of you has some conspiracy theory that in fact, we have a quadrillion barrels of oil squirrelled away somewhere and need to liberate it, we have to limit consumption or the prices will rise.

Bob

It's probably up bush's arse....although we could open the falklands up...really annoy the argentines

snowbunny

Not to mention the penguins when the first spill occurs.

edwords

It's your choice. Don't feel initmidated by the others here who would like to see your personal choice taken away and given to bureaucrats. BTW, I also own an Expedition. It's a fine vehicle, and I 've used it to carry as many as four adults, a wheelchair and luggage throughout the Southwest. I also have a small Tracker that I use for local trips.

Bob

wouldn't be a problem, the sheep would mop it all up

TimFountain

See, this is the problem. If you had been back in the UK (assuming you are an expat) would you still have needed that Expedition to haul 2 kids, occasional visitors and some assorted family rubbish 5000 miles per year. Honestly. Really? Ah, so you are just living the life then. The Jones's next door have a big ass 5 MPG truck so I need one as well. Sorry, I just don't buy it. Your really don't need it. To paraphrase you last sentence, " I really don't give a crap about the environmental damage and waste of resources, it's cheap, crap, has a great monthly payment and I want it"

Don't take it personally, there are 50M other people in the US who think just like you, which is why the US consumes so much of the worlds natural resources.

Rant off.

- Tim

woodsey

I too have an Expedition and I bought it for exactly the same reason as USBound, kids and visitors for maybe 20 weeks of the year, being able to pick people up from the airport and actually being able to get all the luggage in the car is wonderful as is all being able to go somewhere in the same car.
Plus when we do drive places we drive a very very long way (unlike in the UK, where if you drive for more than 4 hours you're in the sea ), I agree I probably don't need such a huge car but its nice to have space for being able to go on such long trips, if for example I'd have bought a Mercedes A class which is what I bought at home we just couldn't do it, the boot was full with just a pushchair in it, I didn't buy mine because the neighbours had one, thats ridiculous, my neighbour does have a BMW M3, a Yukon Denali, a BMW 7 Series, a pick up truck and 2 Harleys, not forgetting 2 jet Skis (I wish ) didn't know who my neighbours were, bought it before we left the UK, I bought it because after considering all the options and thinking about what it would be used for it was the best option, I plan to explore every inch of this country, much of it by car, (you don't see the best bits in a plane) so I'm afraid to us the best option was an SUV, plus I'm getting 15 to the gallon at the moment, woo hoo.... it wasn't cheap either, $45,000! Btw, I was lucky to get 25 to the gallon out of my little Merc ( 1.6L then compared to a 5.4L now) and considering a UK gallon is 25% bigger, not much different really...

rincewind

Don't blame me, I didn't vote for him.

Eskimo

Tim I dont like to be pedantic ( ) but whats caused your huge change in opinion over the last 10 days - exhibit A your honour - hates small cars in the UK hmmmm

http://britishexpats.com/forum/showp...3&postcount=38

elfman

Oh do me a favour. None of the above means you had to get an Expedition. You could do all that in a Volvo estate and it would be generally cheaper to buy, cheaper to run, better build quality and much safer all round. And why bring up the "little" Merc A class? It's not like that's your only alternative.

Eskimo

Have you ever seen an Expedition dipstick ? tell me how you get 8 people in Volvo estate with two push chairs ? the A class was a comparison to the UK car she drove, you cant buy em here so its not an alternative ... But please give me an example of a car that will carry 8 plus stuff .. or is it better we get the visitors to hire a car and add another one to the freeways of LA ?

rincewind

Yeah, all cars have them. It's for checking the oil

rincewind

Or a Chrysler Town & Country. Not a bad looking motor for that kind of size and only $21.965. Just a little more expensive than me Mini

elfman

Calm down.
Woodsey's reasons for buying an Expedition made no mention of carrying eight people and two pushchairs. You want something that carries 8 plus stuff? Then you'd do just as well with one of these

Same interior configuration and space, but cheaper and better gas mileage.