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KCK_DR Jul 29th 2013 9:45 am

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Originally Posted by Nutmegger (Post 10812888)
I recall that people would make a rush for the door, but some would get caught and the anthem would start and they would sheepishly stop in their tracks and wait in the aisle for it to finish! :D

I always stand for the US anthem -- or any other anthem -- as I feel it is a courtesy to do so, and would like to think that folks from around the world would extend that same courtesy for "the Queen."

+1

mamasue Jul 29th 2013 10:37 am

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I'll stand for the national anthem....I'll actually sing along, because I actually like the tune. I'm tone deaf and my singing leaves a lot to be desired...I'm sure others around me are physically hurt by my efforts.
As a new USC, I'm still not comfortable with the hand on heart thing!

Seriously, whatever country I'm in, and their national anthem's being played or sung, it's really no big deal for me to stand and show respect. Same when people pray, I've got no problem with looking respectful. It doesn't hurt me to do it at all.

BTW....I know men should remove hats, caps whatever....is it correct for ladies to keep theirs on? I've had both sides of this so far.:unsure:

WEBlue Jul 29th 2013 10:58 am

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Originally Posted by mamasue (Post 10825576)
BTW....I know men should remove hats, caps whatever....is it correct for ladies to keep theirs on? I've had both sides of this so far.:unsure:

According to most sources I've seen, women's hats are exempt from being removed during the playing of the US anthem. This jibes with the old rule of most American churches from the "old days", wherein men are supposed to remove hats in church and women to keep theirs on.

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index....tional-anthem/

Xebedee Jul 29th 2013 11:15 am

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Originally Posted by joto (Post 10825425)
I hope they played the other 2 countries national anthem, all in the name of equality, you know. ;)

The Soviet Russian anthem is probably the most stirring imho.:thumbsup:

KCK_DR Jul 29th 2013 11:27 am

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Originally Posted by kimilseung (Post 10813138)
To me the anthem at the drop of a hat demonstrates an insecurity, that I find surprising from what is still the only real super-power, but at the heart of it, isn't that what all this nationalism and flag waving is?

Patriotism is often equated to nationalism.
The extreme left has tried to force that equation because Patriotism stood in the way of Communism’s basic concepts as a political religion.
When people are bonded and work together toward a cause everything can be possible. This concept is lost on Europeans who prefer to bond on the basis of familial connections in the south and on the basis of class in the north.

Originally Posted by kimilseung (Post 10813138)
It reminds me of Zhou Enlais famous words "It is too early to tell" but the question is about the American Revolution, The outcome of the revolution is still being fought, the Brits have been defeated but the true nature of America is unknown as yet, that can explain the Fox viewers fears of everything. 250 years or whatever it is since the Revolution seems like a long time, but in History I guess it is not.

Zhou Enlais hopped people would forget that individuals were expendable in his world view, as long as he was not an expendable individual.
That said America is young and new and not burdened by what Churchill said for the Balkans and can be said for most of Europe. (“The Balkans produce more history than they consume.”

Originally Posted by kimilseung (Post 10813138)
The Anthem, the pledge and the flags are part of a state propaganda that tries to instil, as Orwell (from Carl Schurz) put it "My country, right or wrong",

“My country, right or wrong” was never my experience in the United States.

In fact, I have never been in another country that accepted self-criticism by its own citizens and most importantly criticism by every other nation in the world (Germany being a kind of an exception for historical reasons we all know). Europeans went as far as to ask for a say in who is the president of the U.S.

Originally Posted by kimilseung (Post 10813138)
That is why I hate it, it is part of the hegemony of the USA, to dampen down opposition to unpopular wars, inequitable social policies, all based upon My country, right or wrong.

The United States is the leading power because no other country is willing to pay the bills in keeping shipping lanes open and investing in inventing new technologies in medicine and other areas.

Bob Jul 29th 2013 11:46 am

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I stand up for the anthem, any anthem, it's respect for the country regardless.

Other than that, I stand up to piss.

scrubbedexpat097 Jul 29th 2013 12:04 pm

Re: Do you stand up?
 

Originally Posted by Xebedee (Post 10825632)
The Soviet Russian anthem is probably the most stirring imho.:thumbsup:


I love the French one:thumbsup:


Originally Posted by Bob (Post 10825657)
I stand up for the anthem, any anthem, it's respect for the country regardless.

Other than that, I stand up to piss.


:lol:

Pulaski Jul 29th 2013 11:31 pm

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Originally Posted by Xebedee (Post 10825632)
The Soviet Russian anthem is probably the most stirring imho.:thumbsup:

The old Soviet Union anthem, or the current Russian one? :confused: .... There was also another post Soviet Union Russian anthem used in the 1990s.

Nutmegger Jul 30th 2013 2:26 am

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Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 10826503)
The old Soviet Union anthem, or the current Russian one? :confused: .... There was also another post Soviet Union Russian anthem used in the 1990s.

I thought the current Russian anthem was just an adaptation of the old Soviet one, as sung so memorably by the submarine crew in "Hunt for Red October"? I have to admit to a fondness for "God Save the Tsar"! Also, during the World Cup I enjoyed the Uruguayan anthem -- there's something like a minute of orchestral intro and then everyone joins in and sings like mad for the second half of the song.

Pulaski Jul 30th 2013 2:33 am

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Originally Posted by Nutmegger (Post 10826822)
I thought the current Russian anthem was just an adaptation of the old Soviet one, ......

So you're talking about the tune that the Labour party used to sing "The Red Flag" to, and is used for "Christmas Tree O Christmas Tree" in the US? .... Because I hate that tune, with a vengeance. It's a dreary, drudgy piece of crap. :frown:

SultanOfSwing Jul 30th 2013 2:35 am

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Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 10826833)
So you're talking about the tune that the Labour party used to sing The Red Flag" to, and is used for "Christmas Tree O Christmas Tree" in the US? .... Because I hate that tune, with a vengeance. It's a dreary, drudgy piece of crap. :frown:

O Tannenbaum? As immortalised by Citizen Smith :nod:

Pulaski Jul 30th 2013 2:45 am

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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 10826837)
O Tannenbaum? As immortalised by Citizen Smith ....

That's the one, .... and Citizen Smith was a funny show, but not one I've thought about in a long time. Very much a product of it's time, I think, and probably has not aged well if I saw the shows again today. :unsure:

SultanOfSwing Jul 30th 2013 2:53 am

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Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 10826854)
That's the one, .... and Citizen Smith was a funny show, but not one I've thought about in a long time. Very much a product of it's time, I think, and probably has not aged well if I saw the shows again today. :unsure:

It's a British comedy - they specialise in aging well ...

Nutmegger Jul 30th 2013 2:55 am

Re: Do you stand up?
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 10826833)
So you're talking about the tune that the Labour party used to sing "The Red Flag" to, and is used for "Christmas Tree O Christmas Tree" in the US? .... Because I hate that tune, with a vengeance. It's a dreary, drudgy piece of crap. :frown:

No, that's the Internationale, which was replaced by the Soviet anthem now used by Russia. (The Internationale is the one that kids in the UK used to sing with a giggle using "naughty lyrics", if anyone remembers that!)

Here's the Red October scene -- there's a couple of minutes of dialogue before they start singing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsC2ETsZL0g

Pulaski Jul 30th 2013 3:03 am

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Originally Posted by Nutmegger (Post 10826866)
No, that's the Internationale, which was replaced by the Soviet anthem now used by Russia. .....

Yeah, I know, that was exactly my point when I questioned the ambiguity of post #109. :) (It was unclear if the poster liked The Internationale, the current Russian anthem, or even the one in between?)


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