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Old Oct 26th 2013 | 3:51 am
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I suppose I do one strange thing that others do not do. Following the convention for fried chicken (finger food), I follow suit with most fried or boiled seafood (except for fried stuffed crab, which really does need scooping out with a fork, and crab cakes, which tend to be creamy and fall apart). But fried or boiled shrimp, crawfish, lobster (with appropriate cracking and picking implements), fried clams, oysters on the half shell or fried, frog legs (very much like fried chicken)... fingers. Batter or cornmeal fried fish... I break small pieces off neatly with my fingers or eat individual fried whitebait; I do not do this with grilled fish obviously
 
Old Oct 26th 2013 | 3:59 am
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Originally Posted by Steerpike
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I agree that watching an American eat a steak is a bit strange, even after being here 30 years. But watching a Brit eat peas, corn, etc with the 'tines down' is equally amusing (and frustrating to do). And give a Brit a burger - something DESIGNED to be eaten by hand, and watch them struggle to decide between their 'proper' upbringing and the desire to pick it up and eat it as intended!

I think in fairness, both the Brits and the Yanks have some strange, illogical ways of eating and it may be better to remember the saying ... people in glass houses should not throw stones ...
Yup I think I've seen British people eat pizza with a knife and fork ... Or did I imagine that?
 
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Originally Posted by robin1234
Yup I think I've seen British people eat pizza with a knife and fork ... Or did I imagine that?
For me it depends on the tensile strength of the pizza base. A deep pan base can be picked up easily, but a thin woodfired type base can have little structural strength at the centre and have a tendency to allow the toppings to slide off before reaching the mouth if picked up as a "wedge".
 
Old Oct 26th 2013 | 6:33 am
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For me it depends on the tensile strength of the pizza base. A deep pan base can be picked up easily, but a thin woodfired type base can have little structural strength at the centre and have a tendency to allow the toppings to slide off before reaching the mouth if picked up as a "wedge".
My New Jersey pizza colleagues showed me the 'fold' trick - you basically crease the pizza into a 'V' and treat it more like a sandwich. Works great!
 
Old Oct 26th 2013 | 7:57 am
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Originally Posted by Steerpike
And give a Brit a burger - something DESIGNED to be eaten by hand, and watch them struggle to decide between their 'proper' upbringing and the desire to pick it up and eat it as intended! .
I'd pay good money to see you eat one of the 6 inch tall jobbies you can get served either side of the pond by picking it up. especially the ones with a skewer down the middle...
 
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I'd pay good money to see you eat one of the 6 inch tall jobbies you can get served either side of the pond by picking it up. especially the ones with a skewer down the middle...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dABoLDOArMA



I don't think such burgers were created with any form of practicality in mind ...
 
Old Oct 26th 2013 | 9:06 am
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Originally Posted by Steerpike
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I agree that watching an American eat a steak is a bit strange, even after being here 30 years. But watching a Brit eat peas, corn, etc with the 'tines down' is equally amusing (and frustrating to do). And give a Brit a burger - something DESIGNED to be eaten by hand, and watch them struggle to decide between their 'proper' upbringing and the desire to pick it up and eat it as intended!
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Quite some years ago, my mum took my nieces and their friends shopping. They must have been 12 or 13 at the time, and decided they wanted to go to mcdonalds for lunch. It was my mums very first (and last) experience of McD and she embarrassed the hell out of them when she called the "waiter" over and asked where to find the cutlery...
 
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Originally Posted by robin1234
Yup I think I've seen British people eat pizza with a knife and fork ... Or did I imagine that?
Have you been snooping through my dining room window?
Originally Posted by Yorkieabroad
Quite some years ago, my mum ..... decided they wanted to go to mcdonalds for lunch. ...... asked where to find the cutlery...
Not just your mum, mine too. .... She had a very similar experience with a friend's daughter.
Originally Posted by lizzyq
For me it depends on the tensile strength of the pizza base. A deep pan base can be picked up easily, but a thin wood fired type base can have little structural strength at the centre and have a tendency to allow the toppings to slide off before reaching the mouth if picked up as a "wedge".
I think it's the sheer strength (not tensile), bit aside from issues of materials engineering, I find the opposite to be true: a deep pan pizza is usually too soft and soggy to support itself, whereas a thin pizza crust when fully baked is often crisp and rigid enough to support itself.

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Old Oct 26th 2013 | 9:52 am
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
Have you been snooping through my dining room window?
Look outside. I'm there right now.
 
Old Oct 26th 2013 | 11:27 am
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Look outside. I'm there right now.
 
Old Oct 26th 2013 | 11:29 am
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I was taught to eat pizza with a knife and fork by my Italian friends.
 
Old Oct 27th 2013 | 2:36 am
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Challenge for someone ... can you find a youtube video of the 'proper British' way of eating peas and corn? I'm sure there is one out there!
 
Old Oct 27th 2013 | 3:07 am
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Originally Posted by Steerpike
Challenge for someone ... can you find a youtube video of the 'proper British' way of eating peas and corn? I'm sure there is one out there!
This is the best video for eating peas: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiUQ9wdhGLM

Nothing is available for eating corn, at least not as such. There may be a video of a formal, proper dinner where someone is eating cut corn in the manner prescribed by British etiquette, whatever that manner may be, but I am unaware of the precise manner so I cannot find it for you, so sorry.

Of the methods available for eating peas in the above video, only the "use another food to help" method could be readily applied to corn, so I suppose that in the serving of corn without a suitable "glue", the etiquette violation really is the host's. This site http://www.gourmet-food-revolution.c...etiquette.html implies heavily that the only graceful way to eat peas, corn, rice, or similar foods is with the fork in the right hand, "tines up".

The proper way to eat plain white rice alone is with chopsticks; I don't care what anyone else says.

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Old Oct 27th 2013 | 3:27 am
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This is the best video for eating peas: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiUQ9wdhGLM

Nothing is available for eating corn, at least not as such. There may be a video of a formal, proper dinner where someone is eating cut corn in the manner prescribed by British etiquette, whatever that manner may be, but I am unaware of the precise manner so I cannot find it for you, so sorry.

Of the methods available for eating peas in the above video, only the "use another food to help" method could be readily applied to corn, so I suppose that in the serving of corn without a suitable "glue", the etiquette violation really is the host's. This site http://www.gourmet-food-revolution.c...etiquette.html implies heavily that the only graceful way to eat peas, corn, rice, or similar foods is with the fork in the right hand, "tines up".


The proper way to eat plain white rice alone is with chopsticks; I don't care what anyone else says.
I don't think cooked maize would be served in a proper British meal, would it? I believe it is fed to livestock, though.
 
Old Oct 27th 2013 | 3:55 am
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I don't think cooked maize would be served in a proper British meal, would it? I believe it is fed to livestock, though.
The funny thing is, that my mother, who has a history of being distinctly antiAmerican in almost all respects, and is a stickler for proper use of the knife and fork, used to serve corn-on-the-cob at lunch and family meals from when I was a small child. The only difference between her presentation and how it is served in the US, is that she served it as an appetizer, not as a vegetable with the main course.

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