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Cheeksusa Jul 31st 2020 1:53 pm

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So I’m also living and working in the USA on an E2 , got stuck in the UK at the beginning of March , I’m navigating my way back now, basically after you been in the UK , you would need to leave the UK and go to somewhere like Turkey , Croatia , Dubai or a Caribbean island for 14 days , whereby after the 14 days you would then be able to return to the USA having not been in an excluded country for a 14 day period.

circusplaza Jul 31st 2020 6:12 pm

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Originally Posted by Cheeksusa (Post 12890299)
So I’m also living and working in the USA on an E2 , got stuck in the UK at the beginning of March , I’m navigating my way back now, basically after you been in the UK , you would need to leave the UK and go to somewhere like Turkey , Croatia , Dubai or a Caribbean island for 14 days , whereby after the 14 days you would then be able to return to the USA having not been in an excluded country for a 14 day period.


And cross your fingers there is no further proclamation to include the country your are spending 14 days layover in

wisygreen Aug 1st 2020 7:29 pm

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Originally Posted by Cheeksusa (Post 12890299)
So I’m also living and working in the USA on an E2 , got stuck in the UK at the beginning of March , I’m navigating my way back now, basically after you been in the UK , you would need to leave the UK and go to somewhere like Turkey , Croatia , Dubai or a Caribbean island for 14 days , whereby after the 14 days you would then be able to return to the USA having not been in an excluded country for a 14 day period.

I have read of other E2 visa holders in a similar situation and they aplied to the embassy for a waiver. Took 3 days for a response and was granted. Take a look at the embassy website.

sk_lfc Aug 2nd 2020 5:43 pm

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Originally Posted by wisygreen (Post 12890892)
I have read of other E2 visa holders in a similar situation and they aplied to the embassy for a waiver. Took 3 days for a response and was granted. Take a look at the embassy website.

is that discussion somewhere on the forum I could read about? I couldn’t see anything but something I would consider doing, was the waiver to allow travel between home country and USA?

wisygreen Aug 3rd 2020 8:11 pm

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Originally Posted by sk_lfc (Post 12891249)
is that discussion somewhere on the forum I could read about? I couldn’t see anything but something I would consider doing, was the waiver to allow travel between home country and USA?

There are Facebook groups for E2 holders. It is a NIE you need. Email [email protected] and they send a questionnaire to fill out apparently.

jack5783 Aug 5th 2020 10:38 am

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Hi,
Wondering if someone can help me with their understanding as I am a bit confused about the rules for travelling to the USA and also restrictions on coming back into the UK, including quarantine. I am a USA citizen (dual citizen also with an EU passport) and UK resident. My parent in the USA is very sick and I want to go and visit as soon as possible. Flight London-->Boston, return. The difficulty is both my parents who are there are high risk individuals so I think I'd need to be COVID tested once I got there to ensure their safety. Is there some facility/contact to do this?
From what I can see I am able to travel as I am a US citizen and I don't require any special Visa for this, and there are no presidential restrictions on me. Is there any quarantine period in the USA once I arrive? To come back to the UK, I assume there is a 14 day quarantine period. Are these assumptions correct? Anything else to consider or look into?
Thanks in adavnce

civilservant Aug 5th 2020 11:35 am

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The difficulty is both my parents who are there are high risk individuals so I think I'd need to be COVID tested once I got there to ensure their safety. Is there some facility/contact to do this?
This is seriously insufficient for you to even think about. If you contract it on the plane there is no way you would test positive for at least a week, this is why you need to quarantine yourself for 10 days before seeing your parents.

That's without even mentioning that a COVID test can take a week to come back when done at somewhere like a county health department. An ER is not going to test you without signs and symptoms, they wont give it to you 'just because' - they have to protect their resources.

robin1234 Aug 5th 2020 12:14 pm

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Originally Posted by jack5783 (Post 12892635)
Hi,
Wondering if someone can help me with their understanding as I am a bit confused about the rules for travelling to the USA and also restrictions on coming back into the UK, including quarantine. I am a USA citizen (dual citizen also with an EU passport) and UK resident. My parent in the USA is very sick and I want to go and visit as soon as possible. Flight London-->Boston, return. The difficulty is both my parents who are there are high risk individuals so I think I'd need to be COVID tested once I got there to ensure their safety. Is there some facility/contact to do this?
From what I can see I am able to travel as I am a US citizen and I don't require any special Visa for this, and there are no presidential restrictions on me. Is there any quarantine period in the USA once I arrive? To come back to the UK, I assume there is a 14 day quarantine period. Are these assumptions correct? Anything else to consider or look into?
Thanks in adavnce

What State is your eventual destination? MA? In terms of US-wide quarantine, it’s just a recommendation that you isolate for 14 days, arriving from Britain.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...countries.html

I flew Heathrow to Boston a month ago, and was exposed on the flight to someone who tested positive to Covid. But the problem was, it was not till four days after my arrival that the contact tracer contacted me, informed me I’d been exposed, and told me I must strictly quarantine for 14 days (voluntarily, otherwise they would get a court order.) Up till that point, obviously I was just voluntarily isolating.

As to testing, that is entirely dependent on state and locality. In NY, where I am, anyone can get a test at any time, free of charge. I believe tests are freely available in MA too. But as Civilservant mentioned, waiting for a result can be anything up to 10+ days...

postbox134 Aug 5th 2020 1:16 pm

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The free tests here in New Jersey required proof of local address/work (i.e. a Driving License) so not everywhere will test anyone for free.

Mercury39 Aug 5th 2020 4:15 pm

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Originally Posted by robin1234 (Post 12892672)
What State is your eventual destination? MA? In terms of US-wide quarantine, it’s just a recommendation that you isolate for 14 days, arriving from Britain.

New rules for MA came into effect this week https://www.mass.gov/info-details/covid-19-travel-order

destone Sep 6th 2020 9:38 pm

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We're "stuck" in California with wife and our 1 year old baby (we are all British). L1A-- I-140 and I-485 in progress with USCIS for several months now.

We're desperate to travel back to the UK to see our families but it sounds like we would be unable to come back unless flying back via Mexico or similar (and quarantining there for 2 weeks first prior to US travel).

I've seen news reports that students and business travelers (not L1s) are excepted from the travel ban.

Am I missing a trick here?

postbox134 Sep 6th 2020 9:41 pm

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Originally Posted by destone (Post 12906692)
We're "stuck" in California with wife and our 1 year old baby (we are all British). L1A-- I-140 and I-485 in progress with USCIS for several months now.

We're desperate to travel back to the UK to see our families but it sounds like we would be unable to come back unless flying back via Mexico or similar (and quarantining there for 2 weeks).

I've seen news reports that students and business travelers (not L1s) are excepted from the travel ban.

Am I missing a trick here?

Same here (L-1B) , stuck for the moment in the US due to US entry restrictions. I'm happy to self isolate on both ends as I can work from home. Unfortunately, no end in sight to the relevant presidential proclamations to allow travel.

Surprised the airline lobby hads't made any progress on lifting it...
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lizzyq Sep 6th 2020 10:46 pm

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Originally Posted by destone (Post 12906692)
We're "stuck" in California with wife and our 1 year old baby (we are all British). L1A-- I-140 and I-485 in progress with USCIS for several months now.

We're desperate to travel back to the UK to see our families but it sounds like we would be unable to come back unless flying back via Mexico or similar (and quarantining there for 2 weeks first prior to US travel).

I've seen news reports that students and business travelers (not L1s) are excepted from the travel ban.

Am I missing a trick here?

No you are not missing a trick. Pretty much whatever your status two periods of 2 week quarantine would be necessary, the first after entering the UK, unless you want to put your UK family at risk, and the second after leaving the UK - either within the USA if you are not affected by the presidential proclamation, or in an unrestricted country if you are. Certainly most students have to self isolate before being allowed to start classes on campus, and that applies between states as well as coming in from a foreign country.

I am an LPR and would also love to go back to the UK to see my mum, my daughter and my grandkids, but even though I am able to re-enter the USA "easily" I don't want to risk infecting people at either end of my journey. It really is just a matter of suck it up and be patient :(

bylee1216 Sep 8th 2020 5:57 am

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Hello all

I wanted to get some clarification/insight on the feasibility of my girlfriend (UK Citizen) coming to visit me (US Citizen) in October.

My girlfriend is currently in Dubai on business and will be there for 2-3 weeks. She has expressed interest in coming to California (via SFO) to celebrate her birthday here with me in October. So we were wondering since she hasn't been in the UK for the past 14 days and people traveling from Dubai aren't barred from entering the US, is she able to enter without any hassle? (She'd obviously have proof she was there for 2-3 weeks i.e hotel folio, boarding passes) Other issue is that there is no direct flight from Dubai to SFO so she has to either connect at LHR or ICN in Korea. If she were to have a connecting flight in LHR or ICN, (more worrisome is LHR) will she be denied entry since she for example had a connecting flight in LHR?

The other option at hand is if I were to visit her in the UK. Is it easier for US citizens to travel to the UK? (I am aware of the 14 day self quarantine)

Thanks

andyrebell Sep 8th 2020 11:10 am

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Originally Posted by bylee1216 (Post 12907151)
Hello all

I wanted to get some clarification/insight on the feasibility of my girlfriend (UK Citizen) coming to visit me (US Citizen) in October.

My girlfriend is currently in Dubai on business and will be there for 2-3 weeks. She has expressed interest in coming to California (via SFO) to celebrate her birthday here with me in October. So we were wondering since she hasn't been in the UK for the past 14 days and people traveling from Dubai aren't barred from entering the US, is she able to enter without any hassle? (She'd obviously have proof she was there for 2-3 weeks i.e hotel folio, boarding passes) Other issue is that there is no direct flight from Dubai to SFO so she has to either connect at LHR or ICN in Korea. If she were to have a connecting flight in LHR or ICN, (more worrisome is LHR) will she be denied entry since she for example had a connecting flight in LHR?

The other option at hand is if I were to visit her in the UK. Is it easier for US citizens to travel to the UK? (I am aware of the 14 day self quarantine)

Thanks

Does she have a current ESTA? And if not when she applies for one can you post the result on here if you would be so gracious. As some of the wording on the travel ban proclamation against UK/Rep Ireland is suggestive in certain respects that ESTA from UK/Ireland may not even be being approved at the moment. At least that is my reading of the wording of certain statements.


jammiie Sep 8th 2020 2:40 pm

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Originally Posted by destone (Post 12906692)
We're "stuck" in California with wife and our 1 year old baby (we are all British). L1A-- I-140 and I-485 in progress with USCIS for several months now.

We're desperate to travel back to the UK to see our families but it sounds like we would be unable to come back unless flying back via Mexico or similar (and quarantining there for 2 weeks first prior to US travel).

I've seen news reports that students and business travelers (not L1s) are excepted from the travel ban.

Am I missing a trick here?

Was your baby born in US? If so and they have a US passport, you and your wife can come back in the US with baby as their parents.

petitefrancaise Sep 9th 2020 3:46 pm

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Originally Posted by bylee1216 (Post 12907151)
Hello all

I wanted to get some clarification/insight on the feasibility of my girlfriend (UK Citizen) coming to visit me (US Citizen) in October.

My girlfriend is currently in Dubai on business and will be there for 2-3 weeks. She has expressed interest in coming to California (via SFO) to celebrate her birthday here with me in October. So we were wondering since she hasn't been in the UK for the past 14 days and people traveling from Dubai aren't barred from entering the US, is she able to enter without any hassle? (She'd obviously have proof she was there for 2-3 weeks i.e hotel folio, boarding passes) Other issue is that there is no direct flight from Dubai to SFO so she has to either connect at LHR or ICN in Korea. If she were to have a connecting flight in LHR or ICN, (more worrisome is LHR) will she be denied entry since she for example had a connecting flight in LHR?

The other option at hand is if I were to visit her in the UK. Is it easier for US citizens to travel to the UK? (I am aware of the 14 day self quarantine)

Thanks

I don't have a definite answer regarding transiting through LHR - I had a hunt around the web and found this:
https://www.heathrow.com/customer-su...virus-covid-19
with a section that says you can still transit through LHR but nothing USA specific. I think your best bet is to check with the airline.
Emirates also has a flight with one connection in JFK which would avoid the issue altogether.

destone Sep 9th 2020 8:05 pm

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You cannot transit through any airports in Ireland, UK or Schengen unless you are a U.S. citizen or LPR. If you do, you will be considered as been "physically present" in said country within the last 2 weeks prior to entry.

The same goes for other transit airports in countries (e.g. Brazil, China) that are called out in the President's Proclamations.

petitefrancaise Sep 10th 2020 12:00 pm

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Originally Posted by destone (Post 12907931)
You cannot transit through any airports in Ireland, UK or Schengen unless you are a U.S. citizen or LPR. If you do, you will be considered as been "physically present" in said country within the last 2 weeks prior to entry.

The same goes for other transit airports in countries (e.g. Brazil, China) that are called out in the President's Proclamations.

could you please post a link to verify this information.

Mercury39 Sep 10th 2020 1:17 pm

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Originally Posted by petitefrancaise (Post 12908206)
could you please post a link to verify this information.



https://travel.state.gov/content/tra...ronavirus.html

petitefrancaise Sep 10th 2020 1:19 pm

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Originally Posted by Mercury39 (Post 12908231)

"physically present" is mentioned but there's nothing specifically about not being able to transit.

Mercury39 Sep 10th 2020 1:27 pm

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How does one transit without being physically present at some point.

petitefrancaise Sep 10th 2020 1:54 pm

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BA .com recommends that you visit https://www.iatatravelcentre.com/US-...quirements.htm
to get the latest information regarding restrictions. Which I did and as you can see below, the IATA site says that you can't transit UK/Schengen to get to the USA unless you fall into one of the exempted categories listed in the proclamation (LPR, USC etc)

Admission and Transit Restrictions:

Restriction

Passengers who have transited or have been in Austria, Belgium, Brazil, Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland (Rep.), Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland or in the United Kingdom (excluding overseas territories outside of Europe), in the past 14 days are not allowed to enter and transit.

This does not apply to B1 crew crewmembers that are engaged in lightering, Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) activity, wind farm activity, private air/sea crew and other similar crewmember actives.

This does not apply to students with an F-1 or M-1 visa and their F-2 and M-2 dependents, if they arrive from or have been in Ireland (Rep.), United Kingdom or Schengen Member States in the past 14 days

jammiie Sep 12th 2020 12:18 pm

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Does anyone know if this is real?

https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-insp...eq5Ooxa4ae_b1s

Mercury39 Sep 12th 2020 12:53 pm

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Originally Posted by jammiie (Post 12909046)

looks legit, it is linked from here https://www.federalregister.gov/docu...-have-recently

shall see how many people are actually wanting to travel.....

jammiie Sep 12th 2020 1:02 pm

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Originally Posted by Mercury39 (Post 12909062)
looks legit, it is linked from here https://www.federalregister.gov/docu...-have-recently

shall see how many people are actually wanting to travel.....

To clarify, this would remove the 15 airport restriction on incoming flights, but wouldn’t have any effect on who can enter the country?

Mercury39 Sep 12th 2020 1:09 pm

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Originally Posted by jammiie (Post 12909066)
To clarify, this would remove the 15 airport restriction on incoming flights, but wouldn’t have any effect on who can enter the country?

I misread, you are right, this does appear to only remove the restriction on airports for incoming flights from those countries.... oh well

jammiie Sep 12th 2020 1:12 pm

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Originally Posted by Mercury39 (Post 12909068)
I misread, you are right, this does appear to only remove the restriction on airports for incoming flights from those countries.... oh well

I can’t decide what it means.

Notification of Termination of Arrival Restrictions
Pursuant to 19 U.S.C. 1433(c), 19 CFR 122.32, 49 U.S.C. 114, and 49 CFR 1544.305 and 1546.105, and effective as of 12:01 a.m. Eastern Daylight Time (EDT) on

September 14, 2020 for all affected flights arriving at a U.S. airport, the Secretary hereby terminates the arrival restrictions announced at 85 FR 6044 (Feb. 4, 2020); 85 FR 7214 (Feb. 7, 2020); 85 FR 12731 (Mar. 4, 2020); 85 FR 15059 (Mar. 17, 2020); 85 FR 15714 (Mar. 19, 2020); and 85 FR 31957 (May 28, 2020).

UK was 85 FR 15714 March 19.

Former Lancastrian Sep 12th 2020 1:26 pm

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Originally Posted by jammiie (Post 12909070)
I can’t decide what it means.

Notification of Termination of Arrival Restrictions
Pursuant to 19 U.S.C. 1433(c), 19 CFR 122.32, 49 U.S.C. 114, and 49 CFR 1544.305 and 1546.105, and effective as of 12:01 a.m. Eastern Daylight Time (EDT) on

September 14, 2020 for all affected flights arriving at a U.S. airport, the Secretary hereby terminates the arrival restrictions announced at 85 FR 6044 (Feb. 4, 2020); 85 FR 7214 (Feb. 7, 2020); 85 FR 12731 (Mar. 4, 2020); 85 FR 15059 (Mar. 17, 2020); 85 FR 15714 (Mar. 19, 2020); and 85 FR 31957 (May 28, 2020).

UK was 85 FR 15714 March 19.

Looks to me like they have lifted the restrictions. Now finding airlines who want to fly here there and everywhere to the US might be a problem.

jammiie Sep 12th 2020 1:33 pm

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Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 12909076)
Looks to me like they have lifted the restrictions. Now finding airlines who want to fly here there and everywhere to the US might be a problem.

Aren’t the likes of Virgin and BA chomping at the bit to fly here properly again?

Former Lancastrian Sep 12th 2020 2:52 pm

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Originally Posted by jammiie (Post 12909080)
Aren’t the likes of Virgin and BA chomping at the bit to fly here properly again?

Not with empty planes :lol:

JonB 47 Sep 12th 2020 3:58 pm

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hope that means Virgin will fly more from Manchester, as when I finally get to move I want to get to Pensacola which normally would be Manchester - Atlanta - Pensacola but at minute all that shows is Manchester to either Paris or Amsterdam - Atlanta - Pensacola, otherwise I will have to fly from London

penguinsix Sep 13th 2020 3:52 pm

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EU, UK, Ireland, China Travel ban to be lifted Monday:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-insp...2020-20371.pdf

penguinsix Sep 13th 2020 3:58 pm

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Originally Posted by penguinsix (Post 12909455)
EU, UK, Ireland, China Travel ban to be lifted Monday:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-insp...2020-20371.pdf


https://www.federalregister.gov/docu...-have-recently

"The Secretary has decided to terminate these arrival restrictions. These restrictions funnel eligible arriving air passengers to one of 15 designated airports of entry where the USG has focused public health resources in order to conduct enhanced entry screening. Terminating this effort will allow public health resources to be more effectively reprioritized for other containment and mitigation efforts and will stimulate air travel. Continuing activities will include an illness reporting system and a passenger education process carried out in tandem with other enhanced public health measures implemented within the passenger air transportation system in collaboration with industry. This notice does not affect those other public health measures, which will remain in place as long as appropriate. Appropriate traveler health education materials will continue to be made available to passengers arriving from foreign countries. Health education information will continue to be displayed at ports of entry."

Mercury39 Sep 13th 2020 4:08 pm

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Originally Posted by penguinsix (Post 12909455)
EU, UK, Ireland, China Travel ban to be lifted Monday:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-insp...2020-20371.pdf

Yup jammiie shared that yesterday - However, so far the conclusion it is doesn't lift the travel ban but make a change regarding flights from those countries, which can now arrived at any US airport, previously they have to arrive at one of 15 named airports. The various presidential proclamations appear to still be in place that suspended entry into the United States of aliens who were physically present in various countries in the previous 14 days.

andyrebell Sep 13th 2020 4:30 pm

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Originally Posted by penguinsix (Post 12909455)
EU, UK, Ireland, China Travel ban to be lifted Monday:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-insp...2020-20371.pdf

You mean the ban on CITIZENS of those countries entering on the ESTA/VWP has been lifted so BRITS/IRISH/EUROPEANS are allowed to travel again to America? Or is this just opening up of more airports for americans and green card/work visa holders? Sorry for the capital letters but I am just trying to get the emphasis of my question across against a sweeping statement.

postbox134 Sep 13th 2020 4:45 pm

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Looks like it's just the screening unfortunately, the below link is the only UK specific part mentioned in the above. Hopefully there's more to follow soon.

https://www.federalregister.gov/docu...-have-recently

andyrebell Sep 13th 2020 5:15 pm

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Originally Posted by postbox134 (Post 12909470)
Looks like it's just the screening unfortunately, the below link is the only UK specific part mentioned in the above. Hopefully there's more to follow soon.

https://www.federalregister.gov/docu...-have-recently

So they will probably get rid of the visa waiver program then if the ban is not going to be lifted?.

postbox134 Sep 13th 2020 5:30 pm

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Just the phyiscal presence ban, ESTA/VWP/Visas still valid for those who are exempt and those who aren't physically present in UK/CTA/Schengen during the 14 days before entry.

Checked the exec order again, the president is the only one who can remove the entry ban...

Mercury39 Sep 13th 2020 5:53 pm

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Originally Posted by andyrebell (Post 12909479)
So they will probably get rid of the visa waiver program then if the ban is not going to be lifted?.

That's a huge conclusion to jump too, I don't see how it at all suggests that they will get rid of the visa waiver program.


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