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Old Jul 26th 2005, 4:20 am
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Originally Posted by krizzy
They were talking illegal earnings......that is a crime.......
since when has

a) him sending money back to Brazil been a crime?
b) British jurisdiction expanded to Brazil?

Him earning the money was the crime, not what he did with it.
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Old Jul 26th 2005, 4:21 am
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Originally Posted by krizzy
No-one is saying he deserved to die because he was illegal........good god......
You took my comment completely out of context...


He ran from police into a subway station...
He was shot as a suspected terrorist...
It turned out that he ran because his visa had expired...

Technically speaking as a result of being an illegal he was killed due to being stupid.
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Old Jul 26th 2005, 4:29 am
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Default Re: Brazilian family intends to sue police

Originally Posted by Manc
since when has

a) him sending money back to Brazil been a crime?
b) British jurisdiction expanded to Brazil?

Him earning the money was the crime, not what he did with it.
If he is earning money without a visa than that money is illegal......no matter where it goes.......

So you're saying if you spend the money quick enough......even if its illegal.....its OK.......cool.......
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Old Jul 26th 2005, 4:31 am
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Originally Posted by CitySimon
You took my comment completely out of context...


He ran from police into a subway station...
He was shot as a suspected terrorist...
It turned out that he ran because his visa had expired...

Technically speaking as a result of being an illegal he was killed due to being stupid.
Oh I see......thanks for putting me right.......
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Old Jul 26th 2005, 4:39 am
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Default Re: Brazilian family intends to sue police

Originally Posted by krizzy
If he is earning money without a visa than that money is illegal......no matter where it goes.......
disagree, the money has been earned illegally.
The money isn't illegal.

it is still legal tender.

and you are suggesting his family in Brazil have commited a crime by receiving such funds.
under what jurisdiction does this fall?
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Old Jul 26th 2005, 4:41 am
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Originally Posted by walla1
I'm going to bed now, can I be sued for that?
Depends on the age of the person you go to bed with.
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Old Jul 26th 2005, 4:42 am
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I have a serious question (cribbed from a letter in today's Guardian):
If the police can't afford to take any chances at all, under what circumstances would Menezes not have been shot in the head, once he was under suspicion? Would the police really trust a suspected suicide bomber to give himself up under challenge and not just detonate the bomb when they approached?
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Old Jul 26th 2005, 4:44 am
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Originally Posted by elfman
I have a serious question (cribbed from a letter in today's Guardian):
If the police can't afford to take any chances at all, under what circumstances would Menezes not have been shot in the head, once he was under suspicion? Would the police really trust a suspected suicide bomber to give himself up under challenge and not just detonate the bomb when they approached?
It seems like a lot of other people are giving Menezes the benefit of the doubt, why wouldn't the cops too? It is the British way after all
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Old Jul 26th 2005, 4:46 am
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Default Re: Brazilian family intends to sue police

Originally Posted by elfman
I have a serious question (cribbed from a letter in today's Guardian):
If the police can't afford to take any chances at all, under what circumstances would Menezes not have been shot in the head, once he was under suspicion? Would the police really trust a suspected suicide bomber to give himself up under challenge and not just detonate the bomb when they approached?
That's the problem, someone mentioned here that even if he did stop he risked being shot.

The only mistake the police made - as I see it - was suspecting this guy was a suicide bomber, the reasons for that will come out in the investigation.

The Israelis and Sri Lankans (sp?) seem to think the only option is to shoot a suspected suicide bomber, the question is, when does someone become a suspected suicide bomber?
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Old Jul 26th 2005, 4:46 am
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Default Re: Brazilian family intends to sue police

Originally Posted by elfman
I have a serious question (cribbed from a letter in today's Guardian):
If the police can't afford to take any chances at all, under what circumstances would Menezes not have been shot in the head, once he was under suspicion? Would the police really trust a suspected suicide bomber to give himself up under challenge and not just detonate the bomb when they approached?

It is my understanding that he was ordered to halt. If he had, I feel that he would not have been shot. He would have been approached cautiously in case he was wired, etc.

He aroused suspicion because of his actions. If he had done as ordered, he would be alive today.
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Old Jul 26th 2005, 4:47 am
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Default Re: Brazilian family intends to sue police

Originally Posted by Manc
disagree, the money has been earned illegally.
The money isn't illegal.

it is still legal tender.

and you are suggesting his family in Brazil have commited a crime by receiving such funds.
under what jurisdiction does this fall?
The money is illegal.......even if still legal tender.......you are just spilting hairs.

I always thought that reciving illegal money was a crime...if not my uncle did 3 to 10 for nothing........he should of spent it faster......
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I read yesterday that Jack Straw said he was in the UK legally
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Old Jul 26th 2005, 4:49 am
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Default Re: Brazilian family intends to sue police

Originally Posted by krizzy
The money is illegal.......even if still legal tender.......you are just spilting hairs.

I always thought that reciving illegal money was a crime...if not my uncle did 3 to 10 for nothing........he should of spent it faster......
So, all those Mexicans living back in Mehico that receive money every week/month from their family working here should be charged?
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Old Jul 26th 2005, 4:50 am
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I really must love you all and run.....my twisted knee is all better now......and I have no reason to rest it up anymore........

So back to house painting........I'll pop back later.......
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Originally Posted by Rete
It is my understanding that he was ordered to halt. If he had, I feel that he would not have been shot. He would have been approached cautiously in case he was wired, etc.

He aroused suspicion because of his actions. If he had done as ordered, he would be alive today.
Eyewitnesses are all saying the coppers didn't say a word, and that he didn't know they were cops as his back was to them.
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