So How Would YOU Change Immigration Policy?
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So How Would YOU Change Immigration Policy?
I've given this my best thunk and come up with squat because:
* do we REALLY have jobs that Americans won't do? I mean, if we paid fruit pickers $40.00/hr would there be no Americans willing? C'mon, what we really mean is "no Americans willing to work for sh*t wages."
* we favour those who are willing to provide their own thousands-of-miles-long transpo over those who cannot -- there are plenty of poor people around the world who'd love to pick fruit at sh*t wages. If we're being fair, shouldn't the guest worker program be open to all nationalities if they have to apply from "home"?
* could we, for once, have non-corporate interests (eg non-profits) sponsor worthy immigrants who would add diversity, intelligence, compassion, and spice to the American masses? People that'd be great to have at a dinner party would suit me just fine.
* do we really have a shortage of science and math types, and if so why? could it possibly be paying teachers shite wages and charging exorbitant uni fees when many countries that export scientists and engineers PAY for those students to go to uni?
* is anyone winning here except megacorporations and those who dine nearly exclusively on fruit and veg?
* do we REALLY have jobs that Americans won't do? I mean, if we paid fruit pickers $40.00/hr would there be no Americans willing? C'mon, what we really mean is "no Americans willing to work for sh*t wages."
* we favour those who are willing to provide their own thousands-of-miles-long transpo over those who cannot -- there are plenty of poor people around the world who'd love to pick fruit at sh*t wages. If we're being fair, shouldn't the guest worker program be open to all nationalities if they have to apply from "home"?
* could we, for once, have non-corporate interests (eg non-profits) sponsor worthy immigrants who would add diversity, intelligence, compassion, and spice to the American masses? People that'd be great to have at a dinner party would suit me just fine.
* do we really have a shortage of science and math types, and if so why? could it possibly be paying teachers shite wages and charging exorbitant uni fees when many countries that export scientists and engineers PAY for those students to go to uni?
* is anyone winning here except megacorporations and those who dine nearly exclusively on fruit and veg?
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Re: So How Would YOU Change Immigration Policy?
Originally Posted by snowbunny
I've given this my best thunk and come up with squat because:
* do we REALLY have jobs that Americans won't do? I mean, if we paid fruit pickers $40.00/hr would there be no Americans willing? C'mon, what we really mean is "no Americans willing to work for sh*t wages."
* we favour those who are willing to provide their own thousands-of-miles-long transpo over those who cannot -- there are plenty of poor people around the world who'd love to pick fruit at sh*t wages. If we're being fair, shouldn't the guest worker program be open to all nationalities if they have to apply from "home"?
* could we, for once, have non-corporate interests (eg non-profits) sponsor worthy immigrants who would add diversity, intelligence, compassion, and spice to the American masses? People that'd be great to have at a dinner party would suit me just fine.
* do we really have a shortage of science and math types, and if so why? could it possibly be paying teachers shite wages and charging exorbitant uni fees when many countries that export scientists and engineers PAY for those students to go to uni?
* is anyone winning here except megacorporations and those who dine nearly exclusively on fruit and veg?
* do we REALLY have jobs that Americans won't do? I mean, if we paid fruit pickers $40.00/hr would there be no Americans willing? C'mon, what we really mean is "no Americans willing to work for sh*t wages."
* we favour those who are willing to provide their own thousands-of-miles-long transpo over those who cannot -- there are plenty of poor people around the world who'd love to pick fruit at sh*t wages. If we're being fair, shouldn't the guest worker program be open to all nationalities if they have to apply from "home"?
* could we, for once, have non-corporate interests (eg non-profits) sponsor worthy immigrants who would add diversity, intelligence, compassion, and spice to the American masses? People that'd be great to have at a dinner party would suit me just fine.
* do we really have a shortage of science and math types, and if so why? could it possibly be paying teachers shite wages and charging exorbitant uni fees when many countries that export scientists and engineers PAY for those students to go to uni?
* is anyone winning here except megacorporations and those who dine nearly exclusively on fruit and veg?
How many people in the US could afford the frujit picked by workers earning $40 an hour?
Immigration of scientists and uni profs is a two-way street. Some come here - others go there. Without intellectual exchange, academia would be a lot less vibrant than it is.
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Re: So How Would YOU Change Immigration Policy?
Originally Posted by Elvira
How many people in the US could afford the frujit picked by workers earning $40 an hour?
Immigration of scientists and uni profs is a two-way street. Some come here - others go there. Without intellectual exchange, academia would be a lot less vibrant than it is.
Immigration of scientists and uni profs is a two-way street. Some come here - others go there. Without intellectual exchange, academia would be a lot less vibrant than it is.
Yes, we do need exchange of scientists and professors, but could we level the playing field and not discourage potential American students by charging them far, far more than students in other countries pay, or GET PAID to attend uni?
All that current immigration policy is about is paying cheaper wages, NOT bettering this country in any way. If life is about $3/bunch grapes alone, fine. But if it's about attracting a diverse group of creative, hardworking, intelligent people, our current system dissuades that.
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Re: So How Would YOU Change Immigration Policy?
Originally Posted by snowbunny
Yes, we do need exchange of scientists and professors, but could we level the playing field and not discourage potential American students by charging them far, far more than students in other countries pay, or GET PAID to attend uni?
The reason that the standards to get into college here are so low compared to most first world countries, is due to the fact that they want as many bodies as possible paying outrageous fees for the priviilige, so they lower the bar accordingly.
Plus, I don't know of any really smart who wants to attend college, not being able to do so.
All that current immigration policy is about is paying cheaper wages, NOT bettering this country in any way. If life is about $3/bunch grapes alone, fine. But if it's about attracting a diverse group of creative, hardworking, intelligent people, our current system dissuades that.
As to the first, it would work alright. If they brought in a flat tax rate of 10% like it used to be in the pre-immigration woe days, decades ago. Then we could all afford the $40/hr grapes.
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Re: So How Would YOU Change Immigration Policy?
Shelve the H1-B program and introduce a catch-all 6-month guest-worker visa that can be extended (by employer) and with the possibility of adjustment after 3-5 years.
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Originally Posted by snowbunny
* is anyone winning here except megacorporations ?
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Re: So How Would YOU Change Immigration Policy?
Originally Posted by neill
Shelve the H1-B program and introduce a catch-all 6-month guest-worker visa that can be extended (by employer) and with the possibility of adjustment after 3-5 years.
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You think professors of extraordinary ability and the like will go for that one??
It's ridiculous that people like my DH who have tenure have to start off on 'temporary' visas...
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Re: So How Would YOU Change Immigration Policy?
Originally Posted by Elvira
You think professors of extraordinary ability and the like will go for that one??
It's ridiculous that people like my DH who have tenure have to start off on 'temporary' visas...
It's ridiculous that people like my DH who have tenure have to start off on 'temporary' visas...
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Re: So How Would YOU Change Immigration Policy?
Needs to be more transparant...problem is, people apply for visa's without really knowing the shortfall of them, look at the drawbacks of the E2 visa, or H1B's...and the time limits you have on them or what you can do on them...but then again, you don't always have a choice and lawyers don't always know what is best, plenty do, but it doesn't help that it's so hard to correct anything once started...and errr...fee's, needs to be a lot simpler, you pay straight off the bat and it should include everything, not have extra's all the way through and have things duplicated, what's this with fingerprints expiring, or having background checks repeated when you go for K1 and then AOS etc, etc...
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Re: So How Would YOU Change Immigration Policy?
Originally Posted by snowbunny
Put them into the same category as performers of extraordinary ability. If you are known in your field internationally eg through publication/conferences/textbooks, you ought to qualify.
There is this provision already - professor of extraordinary ability.The crazy thing is that this doesn't actually help - it speeds up the process because there is no need for labor certification, but my husband still had to start off on an H1b...
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Re: So How Would YOU Change Immigration Policy?
Originally Posted by Elvira
There is this provision already - professor of extraordinary ability.The crazy thing is that this doesn't actually help - it speeds up the process because there is no need for labor certification, but my husband still had to start off on an H1b...
it's all about the money.
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Re: So How Would YOU Change Immigration Policy?
First thoughts
Anybody employing illegals minumum 10 years hard labour ...
Anybody working legally in the US auto green card after 5 years
and auto citizenship after 10 years
All foreign worker have to be paid 10% more than Americans
Number of visa issued to match requirements..
For marriage cases... auto green card at 2 years if still married
All students have to leave for a minimum of 2 years after
course completion..
Anybody employing illegals minumum 10 years hard labour ...
Anybody working legally in the US auto green card after 5 years
and auto citizenship after 10 years
All foreign worker have to be paid 10% more than Americans
Number of visa issued to match requirements..
For marriage cases... auto green card at 2 years if still married
All students have to leave for a minimum of 2 years after
course completion..
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Re: So How Would YOU Change Immigration Policy?
Originally Posted by Ray
First thoughts
Anybody employing illegals minumum 10 years hard labour ...
Anybody working legally in the US auto green card after 5 years
and auto citizenship after 10 years
All foreign worker have to be paid 10% more than Americans
Number of visa issued to match requirements..
For marriage cases... auto green card at 2 years if still married
All students have to leave for a minimum of 2 years after
course completion..
Anybody employing illegals minumum 10 years hard labour ...
Anybody working legally in the US auto green card after 5 years
and auto citizenship after 10 years
All foreign worker have to be paid 10% more than Americans
Number of visa issued to match requirements..
For marriage cases... auto green card at 2 years if still married
All students have to leave for a minimum of 2 years after
course completion..
Ray for .... congressman? (ya can't be president. )
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Re: So How Would YOU Change Immigration Policy?
Originally Posted by Ray
First thoughts
Anybody employing illegals minumum 10 years hard labour ...
Anybody employing illegals minumum 10 years hard labour ...
If there was no-one willing to employ illegals then no-one would be that interested in coming here in the first place.
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Re: So How Would YOU Change Immigration Policy?
Originally Posted by snowbunny
I've given this my best thunk and come up with squat because:
* do we REALLY have jobs that Americans won't do? I mean, if we paid fruit pickers $40.00/hr would there be no Americans willing? C'mon, what we really mean is "no Americans willing to work for sh*t wages."
* we favour those who are willing to provide their own thousands-of-miles-long transpo over those who cannot -- there are plenty of poor people around the world who'd love to pick fruit at sh*t wages. If we're being fair, shouldn't the guest worker program be open to all nationalities if they have to apply from "home"?
* could we, for once, have non-corporate interests (eg non-profits) sponsor worthy immigrants who would add diversity, intelligence, compassion, and spice to the American masses? People that'd be great to have at a dinner party would suit me just fine.
* do we really have a shortage of science and math types, and if so why? could it possibly be paying teachers shite wages and charging exorbitant uni fees when many countries that export scientists and engineers PAY for those students to go to uni?
* is anyone winning here except megacorporations and those who dine nearly exclusively on fruit and veg?
* do we REALLY have jobs that Americans won't do? I mean, if we paid fruit pickers $40.00/hr would there be no Americans willing? C'mon, what we really mean is "no Americans willing to work for sh*t wages."
* we favour those who are willing to provide their own thousands-of-miles-long transpo over those who cannot -- there are plenty of poor people around the world who'd love to pick fruit at sh*t wages. If we're being fair, shouldn't the guest worker program be open to all nationalities if they have to apply from "home"?
* could we, for once, have non-corporate interests (eg non-profits) sponsor worthy immigrants who would add diversity, intelligence, compassion, and spice to the American masses? People that'd be great to have at a dinner party would suit me just fine.
* do we really have a shortage of science and math types, and if so why? could it possibly be paying teachers shite wages and charging exorbitant uni fees when many countries that export scientists and engineers PAY for those students to go to uni?
* is anyone winning here except megacorporations and those who dine nearly exclusively on fruit and veg?
Once they find out what the aim is, they can then start deciding on what laws to implement.