Police in Oakland shoot dead 22 year old in front of commuters
Jan 14th 2009, 12:44 am
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Re: Police in Oakland shoot dead 22 year old in front of commuters
I can't imagine any justifiable reason for shooting Oscar Grant.
Can you?
An unarmed man on the ground surrounded by half a dozen armed police, it takes a tremendous leap of imagination to conceive of any justification.
The public is at risk from the police if they are unable to distinguish a Glock from a Tazer.
Can you?
An unarmed man on the ground surrounded by half a dozen armed police, it takes a tremendous leap of imagination to conceive of any justification.
The public is at risk from the police if they are unable to distinguish a Glock from a Tazer.
1) if he really didn't intend to shoot, then no matter how utterly stupid and fu**ed up this makes him (and the situation overall), I'm thinking this will mean he will be charged with something other than murder - involuntary manslaughter, perhaps?
2) if he gets off with anything less than murder, Oakland will go f**ing nuts the day the verdict is announced and we'll have a 'Rodney King'/LA riot on our hands. I think in this particular case, I'm going to hope they convict the guy despite the evidence ...
I drive through Oakland every day on my way home so I think I'll be taking the long way around that night ...
Jan 14th 2009, 12:48 am
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Re: Police in Oakland shoot dead 22 year old in front of commuters
Based on the guy's own reaction, it does seem he did not intend to shoot the guy. This raises a few issues ...
1) if he really didn't intend to shoot, then no matter how utterly stupid and fu**ed up this makes him (and the situation overall), I'm thinking this will mean he will be charged with something other than murder - involuntary manslaughter, perhaps?
1) if he really didn't intend to shoot, then no matter how utterly stupid and fu**ed up this makes him (and the situation overall), I'm thinking this will mean he will be charged with something other than murder - involuntary manslaughter, perhaps?
Jan 14th 2009, 1:10 am
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Re: Police in Oakland shoot dead 22 year old in front of commuters
Oakland will go f**king nuts if he gets charged with anything less than murder. One thing I am pretty certain of is that any trial won't be held in Oakland. There is little chance of this guy getting a fair trial there. So another potentially incendiary decision is where a trial gets moved to. We all know how that worked out with Simi Valley...
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Jan 14th 2009, 1:14 am
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Re: Police in Oakland shoot dead 22 year old in front of commuters
The reference to the prosecutors opening remarks was not in anyway meant to convey you would make a good juror because you would convict but the exact opposite. The only reason I mentioned prosecutor because they go first and open, at which point I was hinting you would have made up your mind.
The only reason I cared if a jury acquitted was because it probably meant I had made a mistake and either arrested the wrong person I not done my job sufficiently well to gather all the evidence. Either was a disservice to the victim and they deserved better from me.
Jan 14th 2009, 1:39 am
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Re: Police in Oakland shoot dead 22 year old in front of commuters
My meaning which you completely missed was a sarcastic attempt to convey you would make a very poor juror because you would decide on very little evidence.
The reference to the prosecutors opening remarks was not in anyway meant to convey you would make a good juror because you would convict but the exact opposite. The only reason I mentioned prosecutor because they go first and open, at which point I was hinting you would have made up your mind.
The only reason I cared if a jury acquitted was because it probably meant I had made a mistake and either arrested the wrong person I not done my job sufficiently well to gather all the evidence. Either was a disservice to the victim and they deserved better from me.
The reference to the prosecutors opening remarks was not in anyway meant to convey you would make a good juror because you would convict but the exact opposite. The only reason I mentioned prosecutor because they go first and open, at which point I was hinting you would have made up your mind.
The only reason I cared if a jury acquitted was because it probably meant I had made a mistake and either arrested the wrong person I not done my job sufficiently well to gather all the evidence. Either was a disservice to the victim and they deserved better from me.
"I can't imagine any justifiable reason for shooting Oscar Grant.
Can you?
An unarmed man on the ground surrounded by half a dozen armed police, it takes a tremendous leap of imagination to conceive of any justification.
The public is at risk from the police if they are unable to distinguish a Glock from a Tazer."
Maybe you as an ex-cop can come up with a reason why it was necessary to kill the guy.
He'll have his day in court and I'd put money on it he'll get off.
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Jan 14th 2009, 1:50 am
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Re: Police in Oakland shoot dead 22 year old in front of commuters
Of murder maybe. Of some lesser offence such as manslaughter? I very much doubt it.
Jan 14th 2009, 2:07 am
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Re: Police in Oakland shoot dead 22 year old in front of commuters
Another strawman. Nobody in this thread has claimed it was necessary. Some have suggested that it might be manslaughter rather than murder, a rather different assertion. And some have said let's gather all the facts first.
Of murder maybe. Of some lesser offence such as manslaughter? I very much doubt it.
Of murder maybe. Of some lesser offence such as manslaughter? I very much doubt it.
Jan 14th 2009, 2:11 am
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Re: Police in Oakland shoot dead 22 year old in front of commuters
Based on the guy's own reaction, it does seem he did not intend to shoot the guy. This raises a few issues ...
2) if he gets off with anything less than murder, Oakland will go f**ing nuts the day the verdict is announced and we'll have a 'Rodney King'/LA riot on our hands.
2) if he gets off with anything less than murder, Oakland will go f**ing nuts the day the verdict is announced and we'll have a 'Rodney King'/LA riot on our hands.
Oakland will go f**king nuts if he gets charged with anything less than murder. One thing I am pretty certain of is that any trial won't be held in Oakland. There is little chance of this guy getting a fair trial there. So another potentially incendiary decision is where a trial gets moved to. We all know how that worked out with Simi Valley...
Jan 14th 2009, 2:21 am
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Re: Police in Oakland shoot dead 22 year old in front of commuters
Assuming your question is not rhetorical - what the cop did was incredibly, incredibly dumb, and inflammatory. It just doesn't get any worse than shooting an unarmed guy in the back. Even though (or even if ...) he probably did not intend to shoot the guy, the people of Oakland were already at odds with the police before this incident, and this just tips the scale. The facts of the situation are not going to matter to the average guy on the street, who is going to want to see 'blood' for this - a life sentence or similar. If they don't get what they perceive to be justice from the courts, they will take it out on the streets.
Sadly, they will trash their very own back-yard, which is struggling to improve (most of the businesses trashed during the first night of rioting were local minority-owned businesses - it's a terribly sad irony).
Sadly, they will trash their very own back-yard, which is struggling to improve (most of the businesses trashed during the first night of rioting were local minority-owned businesses - it's a terribly sad irony).
Jan 14th 2009, 2:38 am
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Re: Police in Oakland shoot dead 22 year old in front of commuters
Jan 14th 2009, 3:55 am
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Re: Police in Oakland shoot dead 22 year old in front of commuters
New Year's Eve apparently wasn't so good for cops.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...s/6188505.html
You hear of this out of Bellaire, Leslie? I like the location but don't know if I could take the neighbours.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...s/6188505.html
You hear of this out of Bellaire, Leslie? I like the location but don't know if I could take the neighbours.
Jan 14th 2009, 5:20 am
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Re: Police in Oakland shoot dead 22 year old in front of commuters
Let's sugarcoat it and call it manslaughter execution style.
For which. If the past is anything to go on, he will walk away from.
For which. If the past is anything to go on, he will walk away from.
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Jan 14th 2009, 8:01 am
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Re: Police in Oakland shoot dead 22 year old in front of commuters
Yes he did something wrong, yes he should be punnished but the way your writing is mob mentality. he obviously did not set out to kill someone in cold blood that morning. There MUST be a reason be it cock up or what ever. Fools like you who see it on youtube then bay for a lynching are no better than groups like the KKK.
Jan 14th 2009, 10:18 am
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Re: Police in Oakland shoot dead 22 year old in front of commuters
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/01/14/...est/index.html
The officer was arrested Tuesday evening in Douglas County, Nevada on a warrant related to the shooting.
No charges have been announced but now the clock is ticking so I imagine charges will be announced sometime Wed or early Thursday.
Hopefully if it goes to trial they will get a change in venue, but who knows they could plea bargain as well and skip a trial.
The officer was arrested Tuesday evening in Douglas County, Nevada on a warrant related to the shooting.
No charges have been announced but now the clock is ticking so I imagine charges will be announced sometime Wed or early Thursday.
Hopefully if it goes to trial they will get a change in venue, but who knows they could plea bargain as well and skip a trial.
Jan 14th 2009, 12:51 pm
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Re: Police in Oakland shoot dead 22 year old in front of commuters
I've found a tit, you. You haven't got a clue. Have you ever tried to do something with a baying crowd around you when you're scared they are about to turn on you, where your adreniline is pumping. If you haven't try it see if you dot all the 'i's and cross your 't's.
Yes he did something wrong, yes he should be punnished but the way your writing is mob mentality. he obviously did not set out to kill someone in cold blood that morning. There MUST be a reason be it cock up or what ever. Fools like you who see it on youtube then bay for a lynching are no better than groups like the KKK.
Yes he did something wrong, yes he should be punnished but the way your writing is mob mentality. he obviously did not set out to kill someone in cold blood that morning. There MUST be a reason be it cock up or what ever. Fools like you who see it on youtube then bay for a lynching are no better than groups like the KKK.