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Old Apr 26th 2006, 7:11 pm
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I heard on the radio, and want to know if this is true. is it true
that illegal immigrants are paying resident tuition at universities?
And how does admissions not check for documents proving they're
residents? I know my admissions personnel did, when I applied to state
university. As a result, I paid nonresident tuition.

Isn't that unfair for people who have f-1 visa who are paying
non-resident tuition?
 
Old Apr 26th 2006, 7:28 pm
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[email protected] wrote:
    > I heard on the radio, and want to know if this is true. is it true
    > that illegal immigrants are paying resident tuition at universities?
    > And how does admissions not check for documents proving they're
    > residents? I know my admissions personnel did, when I applied to state
    > university. As a result, I paid nonresident tuition.
    >
    > Isn't that unfair for people who have f-1 visa who are paying
    > non-resident tuition?
    >

its really unfair to the poor people that come to the US legally on a
work visa (h1b) and have to pay out of state tuition because they don't
have a green card! even though they came into that given state for work
reasons and not to be full time students!
 
Old Apr 26th 2006, 7:30 pm
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Originally Posted by [email protected]
I heard on the radio, and want to know if this is true. is it true
that illegal immigrants are paying resident tuition at universities?
And how does admissions not check for documents proving they're
residents? I know my admissions personnel did, when I applied to state
university. As a result, I paid nonresident tuition.

Isn't that unfair for people who have f-1 visa who are paying
non-resident tuition?

50 states and 50 answers.
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Old Apr 26th 2006, 7:38 pm
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Carlos wrote:
    > [email protected] wrote:
    > > I heard on the radio, and want to know if this is true. is it true
    > > that illegal immigrants are paying resident tuition at universities?
    > > And how does admissions not check for documents proving they're
    > > residents? I know my admissions personnel did, when I applied to state
    > > university. As a result, I paid nonresident tuition.
    > >
    > > Isn't that unfair for people who have f-1 visa who are paying
    > > non-resident tuition?
    > >
    > its really unfair to the poor people that come to the US legally on a
    > work visa (h1b) and have to pay out of state tuition because they don't
    > have a green card! even though they came into that given state for work
    > reasons and not to be full time students!

You haven't specified whether the statement was true or not.
 
Old Apr 26th 2006, 8:14 pm
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Carlos wrote:
    > [email protected] wrote:
    > > I heard on the radio, and want to know if this is true. is it true
    > > that illegal immigrants are paying resident tuition at universities?
    > > And how does admissions not check for documents proving they're
    > > residents? I know my admissions personnel did, when I applied to state
    > > university. As a result, I paid nonresident tuition.
    > >
    > > Isn't that unfair for people who have f-1 visa who are paying
    > > non-resident tuition?
    > >
    > its really unfair to the poor people that come to the US legally on a
    > work visa (h1b) and have to pay out of state tuition

H1 and the spouse do not pay out of state once they have been in the
state for 1 year.



    >because they don't
    > have a green card! even though they came into that given state for work
    > reasons and not to be full time students!
 
Old Apr 26th 2006, 8:24 pm
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[email protected] wrote:
    > I heard on the radio, and want to know if this is true. is it true
    > that illegal immigrants are paying resident tuition at universities?

When someone says "illegal", do you wonder what do they mean by that?

As far as I know, the undocumented illegals can't go to college unless
they have fake socecial security number, etc. They can go to grade
schools and that's about it.


    > And how does admissions not check for documents proving they're
    > residents?

    >I know my admissions personnel did, when I applied to state
    > university. As a result, I paid nonresident tuition.

Exactly.

    > Isn't that unfair for people who have f-1 visa who are paying
    > non-resident tuition?

No.

There are those who became illegal by getting out of status (of visit
visa or student visa) once in US but they have immediate family
members who are US citizens who have filed petition for residency for
them. These types of illegals will once day become US resident vis
family-based immigartion. In the mean time, should they just sit home
and do nothing instead of getting education and one day contribute to
the society? After all, their US citizen family members who is(are)
taking care of them is (are) contributing to the society while not
being able to claim them as dependent on tax filing.

The least the government can do is let these types of illegals get
education via resident rate. I think it is fair though there is this
element of getting out of status and staying illegals. But one has to
think about family reunification too. One hould consider the sacrifices
the family members who has become a USC made before becoming a US
citizen.

So nothing is clear cut like you are being told. One day, when you are
a USC, you'd probaby call your little sister or bother and keep her/him
illegally with you until she/he gets greencard.
 
Old Apr 26th 2006, 8:42 pm
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Wow, you are even more stupid than you could ever imagine. Everytime I
though you broke the records of your stupidity, you do come up with
something even more stupid. Go take a prozac.

"amanda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > [email protected] wrote:
    >> I heard on the radio, and want to know if this is true. is it true
    >> that illegal immigrants are paying resident tuition at universities?
    > When someone says "illegal", do you wonder what do they mean by that?
    > As far as I know, the undocumented illegals can't go to college unless
    > they have fake socecial security number, etc. They can go to grade
    > schools and that's about it.
    >> And how does admissions not check for documents proving they're
    >> residents?
    >>I know my admissions personnel did, when I applied to state
    >> university. As a result, I paid nonresident tuition.
    > Exactly.
    >> Isn't that unfair for people who have f-1 visa who are paying
    >> non-resident tuition?
    > No.
    > There are those who became illegal by getting out of status (of visit
    > visa or student visa) once in US but they have immediate family
    > members who are US citizens who have filed petition for residency for
    > them. These types of illegals will once day become US resident vis
    > family-based immigartion. In the mean time, should they just sit home
    > and do nothing instead of getting education and one day contribute to
    > the society? After all, their US citizen family members who is(are)
    > taking care of them is (are) contributing to the society while not
    > being able to claim them as dependent on tax filing.
    > The least the government can do is let these types of illegals get
    > education via resident rate. I think it is fair though there is this
    > element of getting out of status and staying illegals. But one has to
    > think about family reunification too. One hould consider the sacrifices
    > the family members who has become a USC made before becoming a US
    > citizen.
    > So nothing is clear cut like you are being told. One day, when you are
    > a USC, you'd probaby call your little sister or bother and keep her/him
    > illegally with you until she/he gets greencard.
    >
 
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Default Re: illegal immigrant paying resident tuition?

Originally Posted by L Davies
Wow, you are even more stupid than you could ever imagine. Everytime I
though you broke the records of your stupidity, you do come up with
something even more stupid. Go take a prozac.

"amanda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] oups.com...
    > [email protected] wrote:
    >> I heard on the radio, and want to know if this is true. is it true
    >> that illegal immigrants are paying resident tuition at universities?
    > When someone says "illegal", do you wonder what do they mean by that?
    > As far as I know, the undocumented illegals can't go to college unless
    > they have fake socecial security number, etc. They can go to grade
    > schools and that's about it.
    >> And how does admissions not check for documents proving they're
    >> residents?
    >>I know my admissions personnel did, when I applied to state
    >> university. As a result, I paid nonresident tuition.
    > Exactly.
    >> Isn't that unfair for people who have f-1 visa who are paying
    >> non-resident tuition?
    > No.
    > There are those who became illegal by getting out of status (of visit
    > visa or student visa) once in US but they have immediate family
    > members who are US citizens who have filed petition for residency for
    > them. These types of illegals will once day become US resident vis
    > family-based immigartion. In the mean time, should they just sit home
    > and do nothing instead of getting education and one day contribute to
    > the society? After all, their US citizen family members who is(are)
    > taking care of them is (are) contributing to the society while not
    > being able to claim them as dependent on tax filing.
    > The least the government can do is let these types of illegals get
    > education via resident rate. I think it is fair though there is this
    > element of getting out of status and staying illegals. But one has to
    > think about family reunification too. One hould consider the sacrifices
    > the family members who has become a USC made before becoming a US
    > citizen.
    > So nothing is clear cut like you are being told. One day, when you are
    > a USC, you'd probaby call your little sister or bother and keep her/him
    > illegally with you until she/he gets greencard.
    >
Just what is your malfunction? Does the L stand for lampnoodle?
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Old Apr 27th 2006, 1:48 am
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Default Re: illegal immigrant paying resident tuition?

Originally Posted by [email protected]
I heard on the radio, and want to know if this is true. is it true
that illegal immigrants are paying resident tuition at universities?
And how does admissions not check for documents proving they're
residents? I know my admissions personnel did, when I applied to state
university. As a result, I paid nonresident tuition.

Isn't that unfair for people who have f-1 visa who are paying
non-resident tuition?
Hi:

Each state has different rules. This is a matter of state and not Federal law.

As to unfairness, what about U.S. CITIZENS who have lived in other states, they also pay "non-resident" tuition. An "F-1" is also an "out-of-state" person.

Many of the "illegals" were brought in by their parents [e.g., they had no choice in the matter] and have lived here for a long time and have been educated in the US. They are often long-time "residents" of the state where they are going to school. [duplicated from another NG where this question was also posted.]
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Old Apr 27th 2006, 5:11 am
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Carlos wrote on 04/26/06 12:28:

    > [email protected] wrote:
    >> I heard on the radio, and want to know if this is true. is it true
    >> that illegal immigrants are paying resident tuition at universities?
    >> And how does admissions not check for documents proving they're
    >> residents? I know my admissions personnel did, when I applied to state
    >> university. As a result, I paid nonresident tuition.
    >> Isn't that unfair for people who have f-1 visa who are paying
    >> non-resident tuition?
    >
    > its really unfair to the poor people that come to the US legally on a
    > work visa (h1b) and have to pay out of state tuition because they don't
    > have a green card! even though they came into that given state for work
    > reasons and not to be full time students!


Huh? That is state law, and at least in CA, people in a status that doesn't
prevent taking up residence, e.g., H1, H4, L1, L2, etc. are eligible for
in-state tuition at CA's public universities.
I suggest educating yourself before making a wrong general statement.

-Joe
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I am not a lawyer.
For reliable advice, consult a competent immigration attorney.
 
Old Apr 27th 2006, 9:58 am
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Default Re: illegal immigrant paying resident tuition?

Originally Posted by [email protected]
I heard on the radio, and want to know if this is true. is it true
that illegal immigrants are paying resident tuition at universities?
And how does admissions not check for documents proving they're
residents? I know my admissions personnel did, when I applied to state
university. As a result, I paid nonresident tuition.

Isn't that unfair for people who have f-1 visa who are paying
non-resident tuition?
There was some controversy about this in Chicago a couple of months ago. One school district tried to expel a kid because he was an illegal alien. The state government immediately suspended all financial support to the school district. The matter went to court, but within a week of the financial support being suspended, the school district reversed its stand and allowed the kid to go to school here for free (same as all other residents).

These kids are probably going to marry US citizens and will ultimately become legal residents. Do you really want to keep them uneducated? I don't think that they even comprehend the legal implications of the issues which disturb you so deeply.
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These kids are probably going to marry US citizens and will ultimately become legal residents.
IIRC, if they EWI, they can not ever adjust status... even if they marry a USC.

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Old Apr 27th 2006, 2:30 pm
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XYZ123 wrote:
[..]


    > These kids are probably going to marry US citizens and will ultimately
    > become legal residents. Do you really want to keep them uneducated? I
    > don't think that they even comprehend the legal implications of the
    > issues which disturb you so deeply.

That's just typicl jealousy thing by human who fails to realize how
much more fortunate they are to have the mean and ability to go to a
foreign country like US and be able to attend university instead if
being labelled wet back or boat people.




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Old Apr 27th 2006, 3:36 pm
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Are you another british-exSPAT troll here?

"JulianB" <member10859@british_expats.com> wrote in message
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    >> Wow, you are even more stupid than you could ever imagine. Everytime I
    >> though you broke the records of your stupidity, you do come up with
    >> something even more stupid. Go take a prozac.
    >> "amanda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected] oups.com...
    >> > [email protected] wrote:
    >> >> I heard on the radio, and want to know if this is true. is it true
    >> >> that illegal immigrants are paying resident tuition at
    >> >> universities?
    >> > When someone says "illegal", do you wonder what do they mean by
    >> > that?
    >> > As far as I know, the undocumented illegals can't go to college
    >> > unless
    >> > they have fake socecial security number, etc. They can go to grade
    >> > schools and that's about it.
    >> >> And how does admissions not check for documents proving they're
    >> >> residents?
    >> >> I know my admissions personnel did, when I applied to state
    >> >> university. As a result, I paid nonresident tuition.
    >> > Exactly.
    >> >> Isn't that unfair for people who have f-1 visa who are paying
    >> >> non-resident tuition?
    >> > No.
    >> > There are those who became illegal by getting out of status (of
    >> > visit
    >> > visa or student visa) once in US but they have immediate family
    >> > members who are US citizens who have filed petition for residency
    >> > for
    >> > them. These types of illegals will once day become US resident vis
    >> > family-based immigartion. In the mean time, should they just sit
    >> > home
    >> > and do nothing instead of getting education and one day contribute
    >> > to
    >> > the society? After all, their US citizen family members who is(are)
    >> > taking care of them is (are) contributing to the society while not
    >> > being able to claim them as dependent on tax filing.
    >> > The least the government can do is let these types of illegals get
    >> > education via resident rate. I think it is fair though there is
    >> > this
    >> > element of getting out of status and staying illegals. But one has
    >> > to
    >> > think about family reunification too. One hould consider the
    >> > sacrifices
    >> > the family members who has become a USC made before becoming a US
    >> > citizen.
    >> > So nothing is clear cut like you are being told. One day, when you
    >> > are
    >> > a USC, you'd probaby call your little sister or bother and keep
    >> > her/him
    >> > illegally with you until she/he gets greencard.
    >> >
    > Just what is your malfunction? Does the L stand for lampnoodle?
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Old Apr 27th 2006, 5:23 pm
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amanda wrote:
    > Carlos wrote:
    >> [email protected] wrote:
    >>> I heard on the radio, and want to know if this is true. is it true
    >>> that illegal immigrants are paying resident tuition at universities?
    >>> And how does admissions not check for documents proving they're
    >>> residents? I know my admissions personnel did, when I applied to state
    >>> university. As a result, I paid nonresident tuition.
    >>> Isn't that unfair for people who have f-1 visa who are paying
    >>> non-resident tuition?
    >> its really unfair to the poor people that come to the US legally on a
    >> work visa (h1b) and have to pay out of state tuition
    >
    > H1 and the spouse do not pay out of state once they have been in the
    > state for 1 year.
    >
    >
    >
    >> because they don't
    >> have a green card! even though they came into that given state for work
    >> reasons and not to be full time students!
    >

In KS they say the only way to pay in state tuition is to get a Green
Card. I have had several meetings with people at the registrars office
about this.
 


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