illegal immigrant paying resident tuition?
Apr 27th 2006, 5:28 pm
#16
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Re: illegal immigrant paying resident tuition?
Joe Feise wrote:
> Carlos wrote on 04/26/06 12:28:
>
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> I heard on the radio, and want to know if this is true. is it true
>>> that illegal immigrants are paying resident tuition at universities?
>>> And how does admissions not check for documents proving they're
>>> residents? I know my admissions personnel did, when I applied to state
>>> university. As a result, I paid nonresident tuition.
>>> Isn't that unfair for people who have f-1 visa who are paying
>>> non-resident tuition?
>> its really unfair to the poor people that come to the US legally on a
>> work visa (h1b) and have to pay out of state tuition because they don't
>> have a green card! even though they came into that given state for work
>> reasons and not to be full time students!
>
>
> Huh? That is state law, and at least in CA, people in a status that doesn't
> prevent taking up residence, e.g., H1, H4, L1, L2, etc. are eligible for
> in-state tuition at CA's public universities.
> I suggest educating yourself before making a wrong general statement.
>
> -Joe
Please don't assume everyone lives in CA! or that every state follows
similar laws!
Maybe my mistake was not saying what state I live in but my statement
was correct for my state. I have heard KS has some really bad rules for
in-state tuition and even most Americans from out of state have to pay
out of state tuition for their whole college careers whereas in some
other states I have heard Americans can get in-state tuition after 1
year of living there.
> Carlos wrote on 04/26/06 12:28:
>
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> I heard on the radio, and want to know if this is true. is it true
>>> that illegal immigrants are paying resident tuition at universities?
>>> And how does admissions not check for documents proving they're
>>> residents? I know my admissions personnel did, when I applied to state
>>> university. As a result, I paid nonresident tuition.
>>> Isn't that unfair for people who have f-1 visa who are paying
>>> non-resident tuition?
>> its really unfair to the poor people that come to the US legally on a
>> work visa (h1b) and have to pay out of state tuition because they don't
>> have a green card! even though they came into that given state for work
>> reasons and not to be full time students!
>
>
> Huh? That is state law, and at least in CA, people in a status that doesn't
> prevent taking up residence, e.g., H1, H4, L1, L2, etc. are eligible for
> in-state tuition at CA's public universities.
> I suggest educating yourself before making a wrong general statement.
>
> -Joe
Please don't assume everyone lives in CA! or that every state follows
similar laws!
Maybe my mistake was not saying what state I live in but my statement
was correct for my state. I have heard KS has some really bad rules for
in-state tuition and even most Americans from out of state have to pay
out of state tuition for their whole college careers whereas in some
other states I have heard Americans can get in-state tuition after 1
year of living there.
Apr 27th 2006, 6:00 pm
#17
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Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 253
Re: illegal immigrant paying resident tuition?
I am an F-1 student.
i just do not understand people who do not have green card or are not US citizen, yet they want to benefit from special offers. I do not agree you should get all the benefits a US resident gets just because you are working and paying tax even if you are on H1 visa. I am also working on campus and pay taxes. Does this mean i should ask to pay tuition as Americans do although i am legally staying in this country as an F-1 visa holder. No....
There are people who are on work permit and whose pay is a bit less and who get health benefits such as Medicare and so on. I do not think they should have this benefit. If they choose to come and work here, they should not expect much until they become green card holders at least. The priority should go first to US residents and Visa holders should not be treated the same as US residents in terms of certain benefits such as medicare, resident tuition and so on.
This is my opinion. You do not have to agree with me
i just do not understand people who do not have green card or are not US citizen, yet they want to benefit from special offers. I do not agree you should get all the benefits a US resident gets just because you are working and paying tax even if you are on H1 visa. I am also working on campus and pay taxes. Does this mean i should ask to pay tuition as Americans do although i am legally staying in this country as an F-1 visa holder. No....
There are people who are on work permit and whose pay is a bit less and who get health benefits such as Medicare and so on. I do not think they should have this benefit. If they choose to come and work here, they should not expect much until they become green card holders at least. The priority should go first to US residents and Visa holders should not be treated the same as US residents in terms of certain benefits such as medicare, resident tuition and so on.
This is my opinion. You do not have to agree with me
Last edited by Yasmina2005; Apr 27th 2006 at 6:04 pm.
Apr 27th 2006, 6:47 pm
#18
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Posts: n/a
Re: illegal immigrant paying resident tuition?
Carlos wrote:
[..]
> In KS they say the only way to pay in state tuition is to get a Green
> Card. I have had several meetings with people at the registrars office
> about this.
You are going to get a hol of the state legislation and show them. This
is what happened with me:
About 2 weeks before the summer semester started, I ran into a Turkshh
student on F-1 I had met earlier in Spring semester. Learning the
course he registerd, I offered him to get some material forma friend
who took that course. So when he met me to get the stuff, we talked a
bit more and learned that he is getting instate tuition fees with the
receipt of GC application petitioned by spouse, suggesting me to go
talk to Int'l Student Adviser. When I responded that I wasn't at that
stage and only had I-130 approved status, he insisted that I go talk to
him. He was sure that he read something that would make me eligible.
So he dug up those copies and gave me but unfortunately it wasn't
complete and I didn't see anything pertinent to my case. (Note: I was
on F-1 and had a family-based petiiton aproved.)
So I went to Int'l Student office and inquired about it. The advisor
said that since I started on F-1, I must continue with the rate for F-1
instead of researching about the issue if she didn't know well. So, I
didn't say anything. I contacted a lawyer who answers one question ont
he phone and he said that it's upt to the school to implement that.
Then, during that summer of 2002, I learned from my twisn sister in CA
that when a friend of hers went to the Int'l Student Office of a 2 year
college about changing her status to F-1 (from B2), she was told that
she couldn't but could attend school with that approved petition filed
by immediate family. At that point, I didn't know whether such a person
would pay instate or out of state.
Then at the beginning of fall semester, I went to a neraby 2 year
colege to register for a course with a letter from my school. Just
casually, for my knowledge, I asked the lady there about those with
petition filed. I was assuming that it's only at 2 year colleges and
also didn't know that it was state dependent legislation. She told me
that it's for all schools including university. Since I didn't
specifically say CA or not, she was probably assume that I knew that
they have it for Texas too. At that point, I was just assuming that
it's all over US.
I specifically asked her for my case and she said I am supposed to get
it. She had that in this case, I need to go to the registra at her
shcool to register for a course and that her office won't handle mine.
In another word, I would be a domestic student. At that moment, the
Int'l Student Advisor, a very nice African-American man among all Int'l
Student Advisor I have seen, arrived and took me to the registrar. The
registrar acted reluctantly despite this man's assurance and so he
offered to send a link to the legislation to him and me both. (THERE I
READ ABOUT H1 TOO.)
That's how I learned that it was passed earlier year in Julky 2001.
Our Int'l Student Office didn't post such info and I only found out
accidentally.
So now, I went to the registrar's office of my school, not Int'l
Student office and was ready to challenge but when the assitant to the
Registrat came out and sawthe paper I was holing in my hand, she
immediately said "You can have instate tuition fee" and I responded
"Finally, someone competent".
Of course, I went to the Dean of Student and complained about that
Int'l Student Adviser kept the information from me even when I went to
her before summer. (I remembred the date because it was a Tuesday of
the week before the class starts; Also, they had a log book and I
signed the log book waiting to meet that advisor.) She transferred me
to another office and there, they first gave me the crap that it was
published on the Bulletin in Int'l Student Office and also was on news
letter pamphlet was sent to all F-1 student. I calmly said I want
acopy of that panphlet and they knew, they ccouldn't mess with me and
so she asked how many students are int he same situation as mine. How
was I supposed to know that and so I said "I don't know". And they
refunded my money for that summer only, not for the previuos 2 semester
before that.
With the state ligislation, the school must oblige. So if your state
has THAT LEGISLATION, you let the school know that you have that info,
your school cannot won't play games with you.
[..]
> In KS they say the only way to pay in state tuition is to get a Green
> Card. I have had several meetings with people at the registrars office
> about this.
You are going to get a hol of the state legislation and show them. This
is what happened with me:
About 2 weeks before the summer semester started, I ran into a Turkshh
student on F-1 I had met earlier in Spring semester. Learning the
course he registerd, I offered him to get some material forma friend
who took that course. So when he met me to get the stuff, we talked a
bit more and learned that he is getting instate tuition fees with the
receipt of GC application petitioned by spouse, suggesting me to go
talk to Int'l Student Adviser. When I responded that I wasn't at that
stage and only had I-130 approved status, he insisted that I go talk to
him. He was sure that he read something that would make me eligible.
So he dug up those copies and gave me but unfortunately it wasn't
complete and I didn't see anything pertinent to my case. (Note: I was
on F-1 and had a family-based petiiton aproved.)
So I went to Int'l Student office and inquired about it. The advisor
said that since I started on F-1, I must continue with the rate for F-1
instead of researching about the issue if she didn't know well. So, I
didn't say anything. I contacted a lawyer who answers one question ont
he phone and he said that it's upt to the school to implement that.
Then, during that summer of 2002, I learned from my twisn sister in CA
that when a friend of hers went to the Int'l Student Office of a 2 year
college about changing her status to F-1 (from B2), she was told that
she couldn't but could attend school with that approved petition filed
by immediate family. At that point, I didn't know whether such a person
would pay instate or out of state.
Then at the beginning of fall semester, I went to a neraby 2 year
colege to register for a course with a letter from my school. Just
casually, for my knowledge, I asked the lady there about those with
petition filed. I was assuming that it's only at 2 year colleges and
also didn't know that it was state dependent legislation. She told me
that it's for all schools including university. Since I didn't
specifically say CA or not, she was probably assume that I knew that
they have it for Texas too. At that point, I was just assuming that
it's all over US.
I specifically asked her for my case and she said I am supposed to get
it. She had that in this case, I need to go to the registra at her
shcool to register for a course and that her office won't handle mine.
In another word, I would be a domestic student. At that moment, the
Int'l Student Advisor, a very nice African-American man among all Int'l
Student Advisor I have seen, arrived and took me to the registrar. The
registrar acted reluctantly despite this man's assurance and so he
offered to send a link to the legislation to him and me both. (THERE I
READ ABOUT H1 TOO.)
That's how I learned that it was passed earlier year in Julky 2001.
Our Int'l Student Office didn't post such info and I only found out
accidentally.
So now, I went to the registrar's office of my school, not Int'l
Student office and was ready to challenge but when the assitant to the
Registrat came out and sawthe paper I was holing in my hand, she
immediately said "You can have instate tuition fee" and I responded
"Finally, someone competent".
Of course, I went to the Dean of Student and complained about that
Int'l Student Adviser kept the information from me even when I went to
her before summer. (I remembred the date because it was a Tuesday of
the week before the class starts; Also, they had a log book and I
signed the log book waiting to meet that advisor.) She transferred me
to another office and there, they first gave me the crap that it was
published on the Bulletin in Int'l Student Office and also was on news
letter pamphlet was sent to all F-1 student. I calmly said I want
acopy of that panphlet and they knew, they ccouldn't mess with me and
so she asked how many students are int he same situation as mine. How
was I supposed to know that and so I said "I don't know". And they
refunded my money for that summer only, not for the previuos 2 semester
before that.
With the state ligislation, the school must oblige. So if your state
has THAT LEGISLATION, you let the school know that you have that info,
your school cannot won't play games with you.
Apr 27th 2006, 6:57 pm
#19
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: illegal immigrant paying resident tuition?
Yasmina2005 wrote:
[..]
> I am an F-1 student.
> i just do not understand people who do not have green card or are not US
> citizen, yet they want to benefit from special offers.
Another blanket statement. Is it fair for my oldest sister, a US
citizen who pays tax like any other American and yet she can't claim
her non-resident family members as dependent while financially helping
them?
>I do not agree
> you should get all the benefits a US resident gets just because you are
> working and paying tax even if you are on H1 visa.
>I am also working on campus and pay taxes.
>Does this mean i should ask to pay tuition as
> Americans do although i am legally staying in this country as an F-1
> visa holder. No....
How much are you making and how much tax are you paying? (My sister
was making above $400,000 and single and paying more tax than those
married ones with children. That, after she went through H-1 and paied
tax with no tax break. The least they coudl do was not rip her family
off with non-resident tuition rate.) If you are from China and F-1, you
are also tax exempt under F-1.
> There are people who are on work permit and whose pay is a bit less and
> who get health benefits such as Medicare and so on. I do not think they
> should have this benefit.
Think what you want. H-1 allows immigration intent unlike F-1. These
H1 might become residents and their spouse and children deserves
special breaks based on their contribution and then better contribute
to the society with their education. Unlike your home country, this
country wants it future residents and citizens to be edcuated.
> If they choose to come and work here, they
> should not expect much until they become green card holders at least.
> The priority should go first to US residents and Visa holders should not
> be treated the same as US residents in terms of certain benefits such as
> medicare, resident tuition and so on.
You talk from limited knowledge. Go back to our studies.
> This is my opinion. You do not have to agree with me
>
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
[..]
> I am an F-1 student.
> i just do not understand people who do not have green card or are not US
> citizen, yet they want to benefit from special offers.
Another blanket statement. Is it fair for my oldest sister, a US
citizen who pays tax like any other American and yet she can't claim
her non-resident family members as dependent while financially helping
them?
>I do not agree
> you should get all the benefits a US resident gets just because you are
> working and paying tax even if you are on H1 visa.
>I am also working on campus and pay taxes.
>Does this mean i should ask to pay tuition as
> Americans do although i am legally staying in this country as an F-1
> visa holder. No....
How much are you making and how much tax are you paying? (My sister
was making above $400,000 and single and paying more tax than those
married ones with children. That, after she went through H-1 and paied
tax with no tax break. The least they coudl do was not rip her family
off with non-resident tuition rate.) If you are from China and F-1, you
are also tax exempt under F-1.
> There are people who are on work permit and whose pay is a bit less and
> who get health benefits such as Medicare and so on. I do not think they
> should have this benefit.
Think what you want. H-1 allows immigration intent unlike F-1. These
H1 might become residents and their spouse and children deserves
special breaks based on their contribution and then better contribute
to the society with their education. Unlike your home country, this
country wants it future residents and citizens to be edcuated.
> If they choose to come and work here, they
> should not expect much until they become green card holders at least.
> The priority should go first to US residents and Visa holders should not
> be treated the same as US residents in terms of certain benefits such as
> medicare, resident tuition and so on.
You talk from limited knowledge. Go back to our studies.
> This is my opinion. You do not have to agree with me
>
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
Apr 27th 2006, 7:07 pm
#20
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Re: illegal immigrant paying resident tuition?
wow. you are one really stupid and confused woman.
"amanda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Yasmina2005 wrote:
> [..]
>> I am an F-1 student.
>> i just do not understand people who do not have green card or are not US
>> citizen, yet they want to benefit from special offers.
> Another blanket statement. Is it fair for my oldest sister, a US
> citizen who pays tax like any other American and yet she can't claim
> her non-resident family members as dependent while financially helping
> them?
>>I do not agree
>> you should get all the benefits a US resident gets just because you are
>> working and paying tax even if you are on H1 visa.
>>I am also working on campus and pay taxes.
>>Does this mean i should ask to pay tuition as
>> Americans do although i am legally staying in this country as an F-1
>> visa holder. No....
> How much are you making and how much tax are you paying? (My sister
> was making above $400,000 and single and paying more tax than those
> married ones with children. That, after she went through H-1 and paied
> tax with no tax break. The least they coudl do was not rip her family
> off with non-resident tuition rate.) If you are from China and F-1, you
> are also tax exempt under F-1.
>> There are people who are on work permit and whose pay is a bit less and
>> who get health benefits such as Medicare and so on. I do not think they
>> should have this benefit.
> Think what you want. H-1 allows immigration intent unlike F-1. These
> H1 might become residents and their spouse and children deserves
> special breaks based on their contribution and then better contribute
> to the society with their education. Unlike your home country, this
> country wants it future residents and citizens to be edcuated.
>> If they choose to come and work here, they
>> should not expect much until they become green card holders at least.
>> The priority should go first to US residents and Visa holders should not
>> be treated the same as US residents in terms of certain benefits such as
>> medicare, resident tuition and so on.
> You talk from limited knowledge. Go back to our studies.
>> This is my opinion. You do not have to agree with me
>> --
>> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
>
"amanda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] oups.com...
> Yasmina2005 wrote:
> [..]
>> I am an F-1 student.
>> i just do not understand people who do not have green card or are not US
>> citizen, yet they want to benefit from special offers.
> Another blanket statement. Is it fair for my oldest sister, a US
> citizen who pays tax like any other American and yet she can't claim
> her non-resident family members as dependent while financially helping
> them?
>>I do not agree
>> you should get all the benefits a US resident gets just because you are
>> working and paying tax even if you are on H1 visa.
>>I am also working on campus and pay taxes.
>>Does this mean i should ask to pay tuition as
>> Americans do although i am legally staying in this country as an F-1
>> visa holder. No....
> How much are you making and how much tax are you paying? (My sister
> was making above $400,000 and single and paying more tax than those
> married ones with children. That, after she went through H-1 and paied
> tax with no tax break. The least they coudl do was not rip her family
> off with non-resident tuition rate.) If you are from China and F-1, you
> are also tax exempt under F-1.
>> There are people who are on work permit and whose pay is a bit less and
>> who get health benefits such as Medicare and so on. I do not think they
>> should have this benefit.
> Think what you want. H-1 allows immigration intent unlike F-1. These
> H1 might become residents and their spouse and children deserves
> special breaks based on their contribution and then better contribute
> to the society with their education. Unlike your home country, this
> country wants it future residents and citizens to be edcuated.
>> If they choose to come and work here, they
>> should not expect much until they become green card holders at least.
>> The priority should go first to US residents and Visa holders should not
>> be treated the same as US residents in terms of certain benefits such as
>> medicare, resident tuition and so on.
> You talk from limited knowledge. Go back to our studies.
>> This is my opinion. You do not have to agree with me
>> --
>> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
>
Apr 27th 2006, 7:08 pm
#21
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: illegal immigrant paying resident tuition?
do you really think anyone will read this stupid blubber of yours?
"amanda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] oups.com...
> Carlos wrote:
> [..]
>> In KS they say the only way to pay in state tuition is to get a Green
>> Card. I have had several meetings with people at the registrars office
>> about this.
> You are going to get a hol of the state legislation and show them. This
> is what happened with me:
> About 2 weeks before the summer semester started, I ran into a Turkshh
> student on F-1 I had met earlier in Spring semester. Learning the
> course he registerd, I offered him to get some material forma friend
> who took that course. So when he met me to get the stuff, we talked a
> bit more and learned that he is getting instate tuition fees with the
> receipt of GC application petitioned by spouse, suggesting me to go
> talk to Int'l Student Adviser. When I responded that I wasn't at that
> stage and only had I-130 approved status, he insisted that I go talk to
> him. He was sure that he read something that would make me eligible.
> So he dug up those copies and gave me but unfortunately it wasn't
> complete and I didn't see anything pertinent to my case. (Note: I was
> on F-1 and had a family-based petiiton aproved.)
> So I went to Int'l Student office and inquired about it. The advisor
> said that since I started on F-1, I must continue with the rate for F-1
> instead of researching about the issue if she didn't know well. So, I
> didn't say anything. I contacted a lawyer who answers one question ont
> he phone and he said that it's upt to the school to implement that.
> Then, during that summer of 2002, I learned from my twisn sister in CA
> that when a friend of hers went to the Int'l Student Office of a 2 year
> college about changing her status to F-1 (from B2), she was told that
> she couldn't but could attend school with that approved petition filed
> by immediate family. At that point, I didn't know whether such a person
> would pay instate or out of state.
> Then at the beginning of fall semester, I went to a neraby 2 year
> colege to register for a course with a letter from my school. Just
> casually, for my knowledge, I asked the lady there about those with
> petition filed. I was assuming that it's only at 2 year colleges and
> also didn't know that it was state dependent legislation. She told me
> that it's for all schools including university. Since I didn't
> specifically say CA or not, she was probably assume that I knew that
> they have it for Texas too. At that point, I was just assuming that
> it's all over US.
> I specifically asked her for my case and she said I am supposed to get
> it. She had that in this case, I need to go to the registra at her
> shcool to register for a course and that her office won't handle mine.
> In another word, I would be a domestic student. At that moment, the
> Int'l Student Advisor, a very nice African-American man among all Int'l
> Student Advisor I have seen, arrived and took me to the registrar. The
> registrar acted reluctantly despite this man's assurance and so he
> offered to send a link to the legislation to him and me both. (THERE I
> READ ABOUT H1 TOO.)
> That's how I learned that it was passed earlier year in Julky 2001.
> Our Int'l Student Office didn't post such info and I only found out
> accidentally.
> So now, I went to the registrar's office of my school, not Int'l
> Student office and was ready to challenge but when the assitant to the
> Registrat came out and sawthe paper I was holing in my hand, she
> immediately said "You can have instate tuition fee" and I responded
> "Finally, someone competent".
> Of course, I went to the Dean of Student and complained about that
> Int'l Student Adviser kept the information from me even when I went to
> her before summer. (I remembred the date because it was a Tuesday of
> the week before the class starts; Also, they had a log book and I
> signed the log book waiting to meet that advisor.) She transferred me
> to another office and there, they first gave me the crap that it was
> published on the Bulletin in Int'l Student Office and also was on news
> letter pamphlet was sent to all F-1 student. I calmly said I want
> acopy of that panphlet and they knew, they ccouldn't mess with me and
> so she asked how many students are int he same situation as mine. How
> was I supposed to know that and so I said "I don't know". And they
> refunded my money for that summer only, not for the previuos 2 semester
> before that.
> With the state ligislation, the school must oblige. So if your state
> has THAT LEGISLATION, you let the school know that you have that info,
> your school cannot won't play games with you.
>
"amanda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] oups.com...
> Carlos wrote:
> [..]
>> In KS they say the only way to pay in state tuition is to get a Green
>> Card. I have had several meetings with people at the registrars office
>> about this.
> You are going to get a hol of the state legislation and show them. This
> is what happened with me:
> About 2 weeks before the summer semester started, I ran into a Turkshh
> student on F-1 I had met earlier in Spring semester. Learning the
> course he registerd, I offered him to get some material forma friend
> who took that course. So when he met me to get the stuff, we talked a
> bit more and learned that he is getting instate tuition fees with the
> receipt of GC application petitioned by spouse, suggesting me to go
> talk to Int'l Student Adviser. When I responded that I wasn't at that
> stage and only had I-130 approved status, he insisted that I go talk to
> him. He was sure that he read something that would make me eligible.
> So he dug up those copies and gave me but unfortunately it wasn't
> complete and I didn't see anything pertinent to my case. (Note: I was
> on F-1 and had a family-based petiiton aproved.)
> So I went to Int'l Student office and inquired about it. The advisor
> said that since I started on F-1, I must continue with the rate for F-1
> instead of researching about the issue if she didn't know well. So, I
> didn't say anything. I contacted a lawyer who answers one question ont
> he phone and he said that it's upt to the school to implement that.
> Then, during that summer of 2002, I learned from my twisn sister in CA
> that when a friend of hers went to the Int'l Student Office of a 2 year
> college about changing her status to F-1 (from B2), she was told that
> she couldn't but could attend school with that approved petition filed
> by immediate family. At that point, I didn't know whether such a person
> would pay instate or out of state.
> Then at the beginning of fall semester, I went to a neraby 2 year
> colege to register for a course with a letter from my school. Just
> casually, for my knowledge, I asked the lady there about those with
> petition filed. I was assuming that it's only at 2 year colleges and
> also didn't know that it was state dependent legislation. She told me
> that it's for all schools including university. Since I didn't
> specifically say CA or not, she was probably assume that I knew that
> they have it for Texas too. At that point, I was just assuming that
> it's all over US.
> I specifically asked her for my case and she said I am supposed to get
> it. She had that in this case, I need to go to the registra at her
> shcool to register for a course and that her office won't handle mine.
> In another word, I would be a domestic student. At that moment, the
> Int'l Student Advisor, a very nice African-American man among all Int'l
> Student Advisor I have seen, arrived and took me to the registrar. The
> registrar acted reluctantly despite this man's assurance and so he
> offered to send a link to the legislation to him and me both. (THERE I
> READ ABOUT H1 TOO.)
> That's how I learned that it was passed earlier year in Julky 2001.
> Our Int'l Student Office didn't post such info and I only found out
> accidentally.
> So now, I went to the registrar's office of my school, not Int'l
> Student office and was ready to challenge but when the assitant to the
> Registrat came out and sawthe paper I was holing in my hand, she
> immediately said "You can have instate tuition fee" and I responded
> "Finally, someone competent".
> Of course, I went to the Dean of Student and complained about that
> Int'l Student Adviser kept the information from me even when I went to
> her before summer. (I remembred the date because it was a Tuesday of
> the week before the class starts; Also, they had a log book and I
> signed the log book waiting to meet that advisor.) She transferred me
> to another office and there, they first gave me the crap that it was
> published on the Bulletin in Int'l Student Office and also was on news
> letter pamphlet was sent to all F-1 student. I calmly said I want
> acopy of that panphlet and they knew, they ccouldn't mess with me and
> so she asked how many students are int he same situation as mine. How
> was I supposed to know that and so I said "I don't know". And they
> refunded my money for that summer only, not for the previuos 2 semester
> before that.
> With the state ligislation, the school must oblige. So if your state
> has THAT LEGISLATION, you let the school know that you have that info,
> your school cannot won't play games with you.
>
Apr 27th 2006, 7:36 pm
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Re: illegal immigrant paying resident tuition?
L Davies wrote:
> do you really think anyone will read this stupid blubber of yours?
This things you called stupid blah blah shows how one has to fight for
one's right because even among Int'l Student Advisor, there are
assholes like you.
> do you really think anyone will read this stupid blubber of yours?
This things you called stupid blah blah shows how one has to fight for
one's right because even among Int'l Student Advisor, there are
assholes like you.
Apr 27th 2006, 7:37 pm
#23
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Re: illegal immigrant paying resident tuition?
L Davies wrote:
> wow. you are one really stupid and confused woman.
Jealous that my family is in a higher tax bracket than yours?
> wow. you are one really stupid and confused woman.
Jealous that my family is in a higher tax bracket than yours?
Apr 27th 2006, 7:43 pm
#24
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Re: illegal immigrant paying resident tuition?
Originally Posted by Yasmina2005
I am an F-1 student.
i just do not understand people who do not have green card or are not US citizen, yet they want to benefit from special offers. I do not agree you should get all the benefits a US resident gets just because you are working and paying tax even if you are on H1 visa. I am also working on campus and pay taxes. Does this mean i should ask to pay tuition as Americans do although i am legally staying in this country as an F-1 visa holder. No....
i just do not understand people who do not have green card or are not US citizen, yet they want to benefit from special offers. I do not agree you should get all the benefits a US resident gets just because you are working and paying tax even if you are on H1 visa. I am also working on campus and pay taxes. Does this mean i should ask to pay tuition as Americans do although i am legally staying in this country as an F-1 visa holder. No....
Many people miss the point. The United States has a FEDERAL system -- there is STATE law and there is FEDERAL law. The matter of State School Tuition is a matter of STATE law albeit subject to Federal Consitituional limitations.
Apr 27th 2006, 7:47 pm
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Re: illegal immigrant paying resident tuition?
finally, you are starting to realize entire depth of your stupidity and
retardation. I am glad for you.
"amanda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] oups.com...
> L Davies wrote:
>> do you really think anyone will read this stupid blubber of yours?
> This things you called stupid blah blah shows how one has to fight for
> one's right because even among Int'l Student Advisor, there are
> assholes like you.
>
retardation. I am glad for you.
"amanda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] oups.com...
> L Davies wrote:
>> do you really think anyone will read this stupid blubber of yours?
> This things you called stupid blah blah shows how one has to fight for
> one's right because even among Int'l Student Advisor, there are
> assholes like you.
>
Apr 27th 2006, 7:48 pm
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Re: illegal immigrant paying resident tuition?
Looks like you are not only stupid woman but a little stupid woman with huge
inferiority complex. Get a life.
"amanda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] ups.com...
> L Davies wrote:
>> wow. you are one really stupid and confused woman.
> Jealous that my family is in a higher tax bracket than yours?
>
inferiority complex. Get a life.
"amanda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] ups.com...
> L Davies wrote:
>> wow. you are one really stupid and confused woman.
> Jealous that my family is in a higher tax bracket than yours?
>
Apr 27th 2006, 8:36 pm
#27
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Re: illegal immigrant paying resident tuition?
L Davies wrote:
> finally, you are starting to realize entire depth of your stupidity and
> retardation. I am glad for you.
If my response gave you that expression, you need meds.
> finally, you are starting to realize entire depth of your stupidity and
> retardation. I am glad for you.
If my response gave you that expression, you need meds.
Apr 28th 2006, 5:30 am
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Re: illegal immigrant paying resident tuition?
amanda wrote:
> Carlos wrote:
> [..]
>> In KS they say the only way to pay in state tuition is to get a Green
>> Card. I have had several meetings with people at the registrars office
>> about this.
>
> You are going to get a hol of the state legislation and show them. This
> is what happened with me:
>
> About 2 weeks before the summer semester started, I ran into a Turkshh
> student on F-1 I had met earlier in Spring semester. Learning the
> course he registerd, I offered him to get some material forma friend
> who took that course. So when he met me to get the stuff, we talked a
> bit more and learned that he is getting instate tuition fees with the
> receipt of GC application petitioned by spouse, suggesting me to go
> talk to Int'l Student Adviser. When I responded that I wasn't at that
> stage and only had I-130 approved status, he insisted that I go talk to
> him. He was sure that he read something that would make me eligible.
> So he dug up those copies and gave me but unfortunately it wasn't
> complete and I didn't see anything pertinent to my case. (Note: I was
> on F-1 and had a family-based petiiton aproved.)
>
> So I went to Int'l Student office and inquired about it. The advisor
> said that since I started on F-1, I must continue with the rate for F-1
> instead of researching about the issue if she didn't know well. So, I
> didn't say anything. I contacted a lawyer who answers one question ont
> he phone and he said that it's upt to the school to implement that.
>
> Then, during that summer of 2002, I learned from my twisn sister in CA
> that when a friend of hers went to the Int'l Student Office of a 2 year
> college about changing her status to F-1 (from B2), she was told that
> she couldn't but could attend school with that approved petition filed
> by immediate family. At that point, I didn't know whether such a person
> would pay instate or out of state.
>
> Then at the beginning of fall semester, I went to a neraby 2 year
> colege to register for a course with a letter from my school. Just
> casually, for my knowledge, I asked the lady there about those with
> petition filed. I was assuming that it's only at 2 year colleges and
> also didn't know that it was state dependent legislation. She told me
> that it's for all schools including university. Since I didn't
> specifically say CA or not, she was probably assume that I knew that
> they have it for Texas too. At that point, I was just assuming that
> it's all over US.
>
> I specifically asked her for my case and she said I am supposed to get
> it. She had that in this case, I need to go to the registra at her
> shcool to register for a course and that her office won't handle mine.
> In another word, I would be a domestic student. At that moment, the
> Int'l Student Advisor, a very nice African-American man among all Int'l
> Student Advisor I have seen, arrived and took me to the registrar. The
> registrar acted reluctantly despite this man's assurance and so he
> offered to send a link to the legislation to him and me both. (THERE I
> READ ABOUT H1 TOO.)
>
> That's how I learned that it was passed earlier year in Julky 2001.
> Our Int'l Student Office didn't post such info and I only found out
> accidentally.
>
> So now, I went to the registrar's office of my school, not Int'l
> Student office and was ready to challenge but when the assitant to the
> Registrat came out and sawthe paper I was holing in my hand, she
> immediately said "You can have instate tuition fee" and I responded
> "Finally, someone competent".
>
> Of course, I went to the Dean of Student and complained about that
> Int'l Student Adviser kept the information from me even when I went to
> her before summer. (I remembred the date because it was a Tuesday of
> the week before the class starts; Also, they had a log book and I
> signed the log book waiting to meet that advisor.) She transferred me
> to another office and there, they first gave me the crap that it was
> published on the Bulletin in Int'l Student Office and also was on news
> letter pamphlet was sent to all F-1 student. I calmly said I want
> acopy of that panphlet and they knew, they ccouldn't mess with me and
> so she asked how many students are int he same situation as mine. How
> was I supposed to know that and so I said "I don't know". And they
> refunded my money for that summer only, not for the previuos 2 semester
> before that.
>
>
> With the state ligislation, the school must oblige. So if your state
> has THAT LEGISLATION, you let the school know that you have that info,
> your school cannot won't play games with you.
>
Thanks for the whole story, I will try to fight them again, currently I
am taking some time off from school because I am too busy and can't find
any fun classes but when I go back in a couple of semesters I will talk
to them again or I will be at the i485 stage and they might give me
in-state tuition anyways!
> Carlos wrote:
> [..]
>> In KS they say the only way to pay in state tuition is to get a Green
>> Card. I have had several meetings with people at the registrars office
>> about this.
>
> You are going to get a hol of the state legislation and show them. This
> is what happened with me:
>
> About 2 weeks before the summer semester started, I ran into a Turkshh
> student on F-1 I had met earlier in Spring semester. Learning the
> course he registerd, I offered him to get some material forma friend
> who took that course. So when he met me to get the stuff, we talked a
> bit more and learned that he is getting instate tuition fees with the
> receipt of GC application petitioned by spouse, suggesting me to go
> talk to Int'l Student Adviser. When I responded that I wasn't at that
> stage and only had I-130 approved status, he insisted that I go talk to
> him. He was sure that he read something that would make me eligible.
> So he dug up those copies and gave me but unfortunately it wasn't
> complete and I didn't see anything pertinent to my case. (Note: I was
> on F-1 and had a family-based petiiton aproved.)
>
> So I went to Int'l Student office and inquired about it. The advisor
> said that since I started on F-1, I must continue with the rate for F-1
> instead of researching about the issue if she didn't know well. So, I
> didn't say anything. I contacted a lawyer who answers one question ont
> he phone and he said that it's upt to the school to implement that.
>
> Then, during that summer of 2002, I learned from my twisn sister in CA
> that when a friend of hers went to the Int'l Student Office of a 2 year
> college about changing her status to F-1 (from B2), she was told that
> she couldn't but could attend school with that approved petition filed
> by immediate family. At that point, I didn't know whether such a person
> would pay instate or out of state.
>
> Then at the beginning of fall semester, I went to a neraby 2 year
> colege to register for a course with a letter from my school. Just
> casually, for my knowledge, I asked the lady there about those with
> petition filed. I was assuming that it's only at 2 year colleges and
> also didn't know that it was state dependent legislation. She told me
> that it's for all schools including university. Since I didn't
> specifically say CA or not, she was probably assume that I knew that
> they have it for Texas too. At that point, I was just assuming that
> it's all over US.
>
> I specifically asked her for my case and she said I am supposed to get
> it. She had that in this case, I need to go to the registra at her
> shcool to register for a course and that her office won't handle mine.
> In another word, I would be a domestic student. At that moment, the
> Int'l Student Advisor, a very nice African-American man among all Int'l
> Student Advisor I have seen, arrived and took me to the registrar. The
> registrar acted reluctantly despite this man's assurance and so he
> offered to send a link to the legislation to him and me both. (THERE I
> READ ABOUT H1 TOO.)
>
> That's how I learned that it was passed earlier year in Julky 2001.
> Our Int'l Student Office didn't post such info and I only found out
> accidentally.
>
> So now, I went to the registrar's office of my school, not Int'l
> Student office and was ready to challenge but when the assitant to the
> Registrat came out and sawthe paper I was holing in my hand, she
> immediately said "You can have instate tuition fee" and I responded
> "Finally, someone competent".
>
> Of course, I went to the Dean of Student and complained about that
> Int'l Student Adviser kept the information from me even when I went to
> her before summer. (I remembred the date because it was a Tuesday of
> the week before the class starts; Also, they had a log book and I
> signed the log book waiting to meet that advisor.) She transferred me
> to another office and there, they first gave me the crap that it was
> published on the Bulletin in Int'l Student Office and also was on news
> letter pamphlet was sent to all F-1 student. I calmly said I want
> acopy of that panphlet and they knew, they ccouldn't mess with me and
> so she asked how many students are int he same situation as mine. How
> was I supposed to know that and so I said "I don't know". And they
> refunded my money for that summer only, not for the previuos 2 semester
> before that.
>
>
> With the state ligislation, the school must oblige. So if your state
> has THAT LEGISLATION, you let the school know that you have that info,
> your school cannot won't play games with you.
>
Thanks for the whole story, I will try to fight them again, currently I
am taking some time off from school because I am too busy and can't find
any fun classes but when I go back in a couple of semesters I will talk
to them again or I will be at the i485 stage and they might give me
in-state tuition anyways!
Apr 28th 2006, 6:52 am
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Re: illegal immigrant paying resident tuition?
>> Joe Feise wrote:
>>> Carlos wrote on 04/26/06 12:28:
>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>> I heard on the radio, and want to know if this is true. is it
>>>>> true
>>>>> that illegal immigrants are paying resident tuition at
>>>>> universities?
>>>>> And how does admissions not check for documents proving they're
>>>>> residents? I know my admissions personnel did, when I applied to
>>>>> state
>>>>> university. As a result, I paid nonresident tuition.
>>>>> Isn't that unfair for people who have f-1 visa who are paying
>>>>> non-resident tuition?
>>>> its really unfair to the poor people that come to the US legally on
>>>> a
>>>> work visa (h1b) and have to pay out of state tuition because they
>>>> don't
>>>> have a green card! even though they came into that given state for
>>>> work
>>>> reasons and not to be full time students!
>>> Huh? That is state law, and at least in CA, people in a status that
>>> doesn't
>>> prevent taking up residence, e.g., H1, H4, L1, L2, etc. are eligible
>>> for
>>> in-state tuition at CA's public universities.
>>> I suggest educating yourself before making a wrong general
>>> statement.
>>> -Joe
>> Please don't assume everyone lives in CA! or that every state follows
>> similar laws!
Where did I? I stated clearly that this is *state law*. What part of that don't
you understand?
>> Maybe my mistake was not saying what state I live in but my statement
>> was correct for my state. I have heard KS has some really bad rules
>> for
>> in-state tuition and even most Americans from out of state have to pay
>> out of state tuition for their whole college careers whereas in some
>> other states I have heard Americans can get in-state tuition after 1
>> year of living there.
Then move somewhere else. A state where school boards think creationism should
be taught has some serious problems, anyway.
-Joe
--
I am not a lawyer.
For reliable advice, consult a competent immigration attorney.
>>> Carlos wrote on 04/26/06 12:28:
>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>> I heard on the radio, and want to know if this is true. is it
>>>>> true
>>>>> that illegal immigrants are paying resident tuition at
>>>>> universities?
>>>>> And how does admissions not check for documents proving they're
>>>>> residents? I know my admissions personnel did, when I applied to
>>>>> state
>>>>> university. As a result, I paid nonresident tuition.
>>>>> Isn't that unfair for people who have f-1 visa who are paying
>>>>> non-resident tuition?
>>>> its really unfair to the poor people that come to the US legally on
>>>> a
>>>> work visa (h1b) and have to pay out of state tuition because they
>>>> don't
>>>> have a green card! even though they came into that given state for
>>>> work
>>>> reasons and not to be full time students!
>>> Huh? That is state law, and at least in CA, people in a status that
>>> doesn't
>>> prevent taking up residence, e.g., H1, H4, L1, L2, etc. are eligible
>>> for
>>> in-state tuition at CA's public universities.
>>> I suggest educating yourself before making a wrong general
>>> statement.
>>> -Joe
>> Please don't assume everyone lives in CA! or that every state follows
>> similar laws!
Where did I? I stated clearly that this is *state law*. What part of that don't
you understand?
>> Maybe my mistake was not saying what state I live in but my statement
>> was correct for my state. I have heard KS has some really bad rules
>> for
>> in-state tuition and even most Americans from out of state have to pay
>> out of state tuition for their whole college careers whereas in some
>> other states I have heard Americans can get in-state tuition after 1
>> year of living there.
Then move somewhere else. A state where school boards think creationism should
be taught has some serious problems, anyway.
-Joe
--
I am not a lawyer.
For reliable advice, consult a competent immigration attorney.
Apr 28th 2006, 6:54 am
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Re: illegal immigrant paying resident tuition?
Yasmina2005 wrote on 04/27/06 11:00:
>
> I am an F-1 student.
>
...
> This is my opinion. You do not have to agree with me
And an uninformed opinion, at that. As a student, presumably a graduate student,
you should know how to research things before talking about it.
There is this search engine called Google, for example...
-Joe
--
I am not a lawyer.
For reliable advice, consult a competent immigration attorney.
>
> I am an F-1 student.
>
...
> This is my opinion. You do not have to agree with me
And an uninformed opinion, at that. As a student, presumably a graduate student,
you should know how to research things before talking about it.
There is this search engine called Google, for example...
-Joe
--
I am not a lawyer.
For reliable advice, consult a competent immigration attorney.