Been in USA 45 years with natuarlized parents can't get drivers license
Aug 22nd 2004, 6:45 pm
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Been in USA 45 years with natuarlized parents can't get drivers license
Hi,
I just found this group. Perhaps someone has a suggestion.
I came to the USA as a 6 year old from England in 1957. 5 years later my
parents were naturalized. I was about 11 or 12 then and I was told that my
citizenship was "automatic".
Unfortunately, today I cannot renew my driver's license because my birth
certificate says the UK. Even presenting my parents' Naturalization papers
(both now deceased) I was told I needed something to prove my residency.
One person at the Motor Vehicle Agency told me I need a "green card". All
this seems ridiculous to me having going to USA schools since Kindergarten.
I am also trying to find my child British passport from 1957 to see if it
has an "A number" that the Immigration department told me I need.
I really only want to get my driver's license renewed and would like to
worry about papers at a later dater perhaps when I get a passport.
A couple of questions: What is the fastest way to get something on paper so
I can renew my license?
The Immigration department on the phone said, "you are a citizen but you
have no documents saying that." Now it seems to me, proving with various
other documents of who I am, and then presenting my parents Naturalization
papers, that should be enough but it isn't.
Second, if somehow I manage to get my driver's license renewed without the
INS papers like a 'green card' and want a passport later, could I use my
British birth certificate to get a British passport.
This all seems so absurd. I even asked, "am I allowed to vote in November?"
and was told by the INS (or whatever name they have now) "yes, you ARE a
citizen but just don't have the papers."
I notice too the one form costs like 240 dollars to submit claiming
citizenship. One person in INS suggested I do a "freedom of information Act"
search through the INS for my "A" number. Is that on my child passport, if I
can find it?
Unless you can get an "agent" on the phone the people answering the phones
seem very Unknowledgeable on the law.
Thanks for any reply.
Harry
I just found this group. Perhaps someone has a suggestion.
I came to the USA as a 6 year old from England in 1957. 5 years later my
parents were naturalized. I was about 11 or 12 then and I was told that my
citizenship was "automatic".
Unfortunately, today I cannot renew my driver's license because my birth
certificate says the UK. Even presenting my parents' Naturalization papers
(both now deceased) I was told I needed something to prove my residency.
One person at the Motor Vehicle Agency told me I need a "green card". All
this seems ridiculous to me having going to USA schools since Kindergarten.
I am also trying to find my child British passport from 1957 to see if it
has an "A number" that the Immigration department told me I need.
I really only want to get my driver's license renewed and would like to
worry about papers at a later dater perhaps when I get a passport.
A couple of questions: What is the fastest way to get something on paper so
I can renew my license?
The Immigration department on the phone said, "you are a citizen but you
have no documents saying that." Now it seems to me, proving with various
other documents of who I am, and then presenting my parents Naturalization
papers, that should be enough but it isn't.
Second, if somehow I manage to get my driver's license renewed without the
INS papers like a 'green card' and want a passport later, could I use my
British birth certificate to get a British passport.
This all seems so absurd. I even asked, "am I allowed to vote in November?"
and was told by the INS (or whatever name they have now) "yes, you ARE a
citizen but just don't have the papers."
I notice too the one form costs like 240 dollars to submit claiming
citizenship. One person in INS suggested I do a "freedom of information Act"
search through the INS for my "A" number. Is that on my child passport, if I
can find it?
Unless you can get an "agent" on the phone the people answering the phones
seem very Unknowledgeable on the law.
Thanks for any reply.
Harry
Aug 22nd 2004, 7:37 pm
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Re: Been in USA 45 years with natuarlized parents can't get drivers license
Originally Posted by Harry
Hi,
I just found this group. Perhaps someone has a suggestion.
I came to the USA as a 6 year old from England in 1957. 5 years later my
parents were naturalized. I was about 11 or 12 then and I was told that my
citizenship was "automatic".
Unfortunately, today I cannot renew my driver's license because my birth
certificate says the UK. Even presenting my parents' Naturalization papers
(both now deceased) I was told I needed something to prove my residency.
One person at the Motor Vehicle Agency told me I need a "green card". All
this seems ridiculous to me having going to USA schools since Kindergarten.
I am also trying to find my child British passport from 1957 to see if it
has an "A number" that the Immigration department told me I need.
I really only want to get my driver's license renewed and would like to
worry about papers at a later dater perhaps when I get a passport.
A couple of questions: What is the fastest way to get something on paper so
I can renew my license?
The Immigration department on the phone said, "you are a citizen but you
have no documents saying that." Now it seems to me, proving with various
other documents of who I am, and then presenting my parents Naturalization
papers, that should be enough but it isn't.
Second, if somehow I manage to get my driver's license renewed without the
INS papers like a 'green card' and want a passport later, could I use my
British birth certificate to get a British passport.
This all seems so absurd. I even asked, "am I allowed to vote in November?"
and was told by the INS (or whatever name they have now) "yes, you ARE a
citizen but just don't have the papers."
I notice too the one form costs like 240 dollars to submit claiming
citizenship. One person in INS suggested I do a "freedom of information Act"
search through the INS for my "A" number. Is that on my child passport, if I
can find it?
Unless you can get an "agent" on the phone the people answering the phones
seem very Unknowledgeable on the law.
Thanks for any reply.
Harry
I just found this group. Perhaps someone has a suggestion.
I came to the USA as a 6 year old from England in 1957. 5 years later my
parents were naturalized. I was about 11 or 12 then and I was told that my
citizenship was "automatic".
Unfortunately, today I cannot renew my driver's license because my birth
certificate says the UK. Even presenting my parents' Naturalization papers
(both now deceased) I was told I needed something to prove my residency.
One person at the Motor Vehicle Agency told me I need a "green card". All
this seems ridiculous to me having going to USA schools since Kindergarten.
I am also trying to find my child British passport from 1957 to see if it
has an "A number" that the Immigration department told me I need.
I really only want to get my driver's license renewed and would like to
worry about papers at a later dater perhaps when I get a passport.
A couple of questions: What is the fastest way to get something on paper so
I can renew my license?
The Immigration department on the phone said, "you are a citizen but you
have no documents saying that." Now it seems to me, proving with various
other documents of who I am, and then presenting my parents Naturalization
papers, that should be enough but it isn't.
Second, if somehow I manage to get my driver's license renewed without the
INS papers like a 'green card' and want a passport later, could I use my
British birth certificate to get a British passport.
This all seems so absurd. I even asked, "am I allowed to vote in November?"
and was told by the INS (or whatever name they have now) "yes, you ARE a
citizen but just don't have the papers."
I notice too the one form costs like 240 dollars to submit claiming
citizenship. One person in INS suggested I do a "freedom of information Act"
search through the INS for my "A" number. Is that on my child passport, if I
can find it?
Unless you can get an "agent" on the phone the people answering the phones
seem very Unknowledgeable on the law.
Thanks for any reply.
Harry
Get a US passport.
File an N-600 with CIS.
Also, if you can prove you have been continuously resident since before 1972, "registry" is an option.
Aug 22nd 2004, 7:49 pm
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Re: Been in USA 45 years with natuarlized parents can't get drivers license
"Harry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
> I just found this group. Perhaps someone has a suggestion.
> I came to the USA as a 6 year old from England in 1957. 5 years later my
> parents were naturalized. I was about 11 or 12 then and I was told that my
> citizenship was "automatic".
> Unfortunately, today I cannot renew my driver's license because my birth
> certificate says the UK. Even presenting my parents' Naturalization papers
> (both now deceased) I was told I needed something to prove my residency.
> One person at the Motor Vehicle Agency told me I need a "green card". All
> this seems ridiculous to me having going to USA schools since
Kindergarten.
> I am also trying to find my child British passport from 1957 to see if it
> has an "A number" that the Immigration department told me I need.
> I really only want to get my driver's license renewed and would like to
> worry about papers at a later dater perhaps when I get a passport.
> A couple of questions: What is the fastest way to get something on paper
so
> I can renew my license?
> The Immigration department on the phone said, "you are a citizen but you
> have no documents saying that." Now it seems to me, proving with various
> other documents of who I am, and then presenting my parents Naturalization
> papers, that should be enough but it isn't.
> Second, if somehow I manage to get my driver's license renewed without the
> INS papers like a 'green card' and want a passport later, could I use my
> British birth certificate to get a British passport.
> This all seems so absurd. I even asked, "am I allowed to vote in
November?"
> and was told by the INS (or whatever name they have now) "yes, you ARE a
> citizen but just don't have the papers."
> I notice too the one form costs like 240 dollars to submit claiming
> citizenship. One person in INS suggested I do a "freedom of information
Act"
> search through the INS for my "A" number. Is that on my child passport, if
I
> can find it?
> Unless you can get an "agent" on the phone the people answering the phones
> seem very Unknowledgeable on the law.
> Thanks for any reply.
> Harry
You need to refer your case with somebody familiar with Nationality Chart #
3 ( Derivative Citizenship of Children)
A child may derive citizenship during historical periods if such child was
under the statutory age AND:
(a) the child was lawfully admitted for permanent residence AND
(b) the parent(s) naturalized. It does not matter in which order the actions
occurred.
For periods in which the last action took place, on or after 12/24/1952 &
prior to 10/5/1978, child became an LPR before the statutory age of 18
years, parent(s) naturalized prior to the statutory age of the child and
child was unmarried.
If all the conditions happened on your case during the time frame 12/24/1952
through 10/5/1978 then you derived citizenship. Your responsibility now is
to provide solid evidence that those events applied in your case. Remember,
the law states that the burden of proof is on you to prove your nationality
in order for a US passport or Certificate of Citizenship to be issued.
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
> I just found this group. Perhaps someone has a suggestion.
> I came to the USA as a 6 year old from England in 1957. 5 years later my
> parents were naturalized. I was about 11 or 12 then and I was told that my
> citizenship was "automatic".
> Unfortunately, today I cannot renew my driver's license because my birth
> certificate says the UK. Even presenting my parents' Naturalization papers
> (both now deceased) I was told I needed something to prove my residency.
> One person at the Motor Vehicle Agency told me I need a "green card". All
> this seems ridiculous to me having going to USA schools since
Kindergarten.
> I am also trying to find my child British passport from 1957 to see if it
> has an "A number" that the Immigration department told me I need.
> I really only want to get my driver's license renewed and would like to
> worry about papers at a later dater perhaps when I get a passport.
> A couple of questions: What is the fastest way to get something on paper
so
> I can renew my license?
> The Immigration department on the phone said, "you are a citizen but you
> have no documents saying that." Now it seems to me, proving with various
> other documents of who I am, and then presenting my parents Naturalization
> papers, that should be enough but it isn't.
> Second, if somehow I manage to get my driver's license renewed without the
> INS papers like a 'green card' and want a passport later, could I use my
> British birth certificate to get a British passport.
> This all seems so absurd. I even asked, "am I allowed to vote in
November?"
> and was told by the INS (or whatever name they have now) "yes, you ARE a
> citizen but just don't have the papers."
> I notice too the one form costs like 240 dollars to submit claiming
> citizenship. One person in INS suggested I do a "freedom of information
Act"
> search through the INS for my "A" number. Is that on my child passport, if
I
> can find it?
> Unless you can get an "agent" on the phone the people answering the phones
> seem very Unknowledgeable on the law.
> Thanks for any reply.
> Harry
You need to refer your case with somebody familiar with Nationality Chart #
3 ( Derivative Citizenship of Children)
A child may derive citizenship during historical periods if such child was
under the statutory age AND:
(a) the child was lawfully admitted for permanent residence AND
(b) the parent(s) naturalized. It does not matter in which order the actions
occurred.
For periods in which the last action took place, on or after 12/24/1952 &
prior to 10/5/1978, child became an LPR before the statutory age of 18
years, parent(s) naturalized prior to the statutory age of the child and
child was unmarried.
If all the conditions happened on your case during the time frame 12/24/1952
through 10/5/1978 then you derived citizenship. Your responsibility now is
to provide solid evidence that those events applied in your case. Remember,
the law states that the burden of proof is on you to prove your nationality
in order for a US passport or Certificate of Citizenship to be issued.
Aug 22nd 2004, 8:35 pm
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Re: Been in USA 45 years with natuarlized parents can't get drivers license
"Folinskyinla" <member4043@british_expats.com> wrote
> Hi:
> Get a US passport.
> File an N-600 with CIS.
> Also, if you can prove you have been continuously resident since before
> 1972, "registry" is an option.
Thanks for the information. When I got through on the phone once to an
agent, she mentioned (and I have gotten constantly conflicting information)
That I would have to file a G639 form that is actually a Freedom of
Information Act inquiry form. Then mentioned an "I-90" (that I did not find
in the list of online forms) and suggested that the G639 was to find my "A
number" from 1957.
My goal obviously is to have my driver license renewed. (and have permanent
papers but the license issue is the most pressing) The situation I am in is
that de facto, my driver's license has been revoked until I present more
documents (really disingenuous I might add to US citizens may not have saved
papers from *50* years ago without a body or court where information can be
presented for prompt scrutiny other than general INS applications that may
take months) Luckily, I have both my parents Naturization Documents with
their picture from 1963. (They may have been swore in months earlier than
that but that is the date of the document).
So, I am trying to wade through the conflicting information and take the
fastest track to any document that would be the quickest one to get, so I
may renew my driver's license.
The Agent suggested that my N-600 application may not be accepted without an
"A number". Should I include copies of such as my US Military Draft
registration card, records from elementary school, and various things
showing I was a permanent resident? I have my original Social Security card
from around 1968 or 1969. I have my name hand written in their UK passport
showing I was with them plus a manifest of name in a kept list of
passengers, with my name, on a ship Queen Elizabeth, (misspelled by one
letter) in 1957?
If I file a form N-600 should I make copies of all this and other evidence I
was in the USA?
Secondly, how long does this all take? Unfortunately, I can't drive to work
while this is all going on so it has also made me somewhat unemployed. Would
it be faster to try to get a 'Green Card' or something like that? How long
does that take? Then later the N-600?
If by chance anyone does cite a law, I would appreciate having the number or
title of the law for my reference - unavailable or a task to find - that is
OK as I still appreciate any suggestions.
Thanks again,
Harry
> Hi:
> Get a US passport.
> File an N-600 with CIS.
> Also, if you can prove you have been continuously resident since before
> 1972, "registry" is an option.
Thanks for the information. When I got through on the phone once to an
agent, she mentioned (and I have gotten constantly conflicting information)
That I would have to file a G639 form that is actually a Freedom of
Information Act inquiry form. Then mentioned an "I-90" (that I did not find
in the list of online forms) and suggested that the G639 was to find my "A
number" from 1957.
My goal obviously is to have my driver license renewed. (and have permanent
papers but the license issue is the most pressing) The situation I am in is
that de facto, my driver's license has been revoked until I present more
documents (really disingenuous I might add to US citizens may not have saved
papers from *50* years ago without a body or court where information can be
presented for prompt scrutiny other than general INS applications that may
take months) Luckily, I have both my parents Naturization Documents with
their picture from 1963. (They may have been swore in months earlier than
that but that is the date of the document).
So, I am trying to wade through the conflicting information and take the
fastest track to any document that would be the quickest one to get, so I
may renew my driver's license.
The Agent suggested that my N-600 application may not be accepted without an
"A number". Should I include copies of such as my US Military Draft
registration card, records from elementary school, and various things
showing I was a permanent resident? I have my original Social Security card
from around 1968 or 1969. I have my name hand written in their UK passport
showing I was with them plus a manifest of name in a kept list of
passengers, with my name, on a ship Queen Elizabeth, (misspelled by one
letter) in 1957?
If I file a form N-600 should I make copies of all this and other evidence I
was in the USA?
Secondly, how long does this all take? Unfortunately, I can't drive to work
while this is all going on so it has also made me somewhat unemployed. Would
it be faster to try to get a 'Green Card' or something like that? How long
does that take? Then later the N-600?
If by chance anyone does cite a law, I would appreciate having the number or
title of the law for my reference - unavailable or a task to find - that is
OK as I still appreciate any suggestions.
Thanks again,
Harry
Aug 22nd 2004, 8:38 pm
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Re: Been in USA 45 years with natuarlized parents can't get drivers license
Originally Posted by Matrix
You need to refer your case with somebody familiar with Nationality Chart #
3 ( Derivative Citizenship of Children)
http://uscis.gov/graphics/services/CCANationality3.pdf
Jeremy
Aug 22nd 2004, 8:40 pm
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Re: Been in USA 45 years with natuarlized parents can't get drivers license
"matrix" <[email protected]> wrote
> You need to refer your case with somebody familiar with Nationality Chart
#
> 3 ( Derivative Citizenship of Children)
> A child may derive citizenship during historical periods if such child was
> under the statutory age AND:
> (a) the child was lawfully admitted for permanent residence AND
> (b) the parent(s) naturalized. It does not matter in which order the
actions
> occurred.
> For periods in which the last action took place, on or after 12/24/1952 &
> prior to 10/5/1978, child became an LPR before the statutory age of 18
> years, parent(s) naturalized prior to the statutory age of the child and
> child was unmarried.
> If all the conditions happened on your case during the time frame
12/24/1952
> through 10/5/1978 then you derived citizenship. Your responsibility now is
> to provide solid evidence that those events applied in your case.
Remember,
> the law states that the burden of proof is on you to prove your
nationality
> in order for a US passport or Certificate of Citizenship to be issued.
Absolutely, the condition happened in my case during this frame of time of
12/24/1952
and way before 10/5/1978.
Thank you very much for your reply also. Perhaps most useful are the dates
and the suggestion to be referred to someone familiar with Chart 3.
Harry
> You need to refer your case with somebody familiar with Nationality Chart
#
> 3 ( Derivative Citizenship of Children)
> A child may derive citizenship during historical periods if such child was
> under the statutory age AND:
> (a) the child was lawfully admitted for permanent residence AND
> (b) the parent(s) naturalized. It does not matter in which order the
actions
> occurred.
> For periods in which the last action took place, on or after 12/24/1952 &
> prior to 10/5/1978, child became an LPR before the statutory age of 18
> years, parent(s) naturalized prior to the statutory age of the child and
> child was unmarried.
> If all the conditions happened on your case during the time frame
12/24/1952
> through 10/5/1978 then you derived citizenship. Your responsibility now is
> to provide solid evidence that those events applied in your case.
Remember,
> the law states that the burden of proof is on you to prove your
nationality
> in order for a US passport or Certificate of Citizenship to be issued.
Absolutely, the condition happened in my case during this frame of time of
12/24/1952
and way before 10/5/1978.
Thank you very much for your reply also. Perhaps most useful are the dates
and the suggestion to be referred to someone familiar with Chart 3.
Harry
Aug 22nd 2004, 9:05 pm
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Re: Been in USA 45 years with natuarlized parents can't get drivers license
Originally Posted by Harry
Thank you very much for your reply also. Perhaps most useful are the dates
and the suggestion to be referred to someone familiar with Chart 3.
Harry
and the suggestion to be referred to someone familiar with Chart 3.
Harry
If you have problems dealing with the CIS (or whatever the INS is called nowadays) or the State Dept, get in touch with your Congressman or Senator.
One final piece of advice - don't leave the US until you've sorted out your US citizenship/passport documentation.
Jeremy
Aug 22nd 2004, 11:33 pm
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Re: Been in USA 45 years with natuarlized parents can't get drivers license
"JAJ" <member23519@british_expats.com> wrote
\
> Another option you may have is to apply for a US passport. You can't
> get a green card if you're a US citizen.
I was told that they ask the same parameters of identification now with the
US birth certificate to get a US Passport. INS (or whatever they call it
now) said they (the passport people) use the same requirements. This was
said by one agent and I do not know if correct as I have gotten conflicting
info.
> If you have problems dealing with the CIS (or whatever the INS is ca-
> lled nowadays) or the State Dept, get in touch with your Congressman
> or Senator.
That is exactly what I did. I was in my Congressmans office and an employee
took copies of my mother's and father's Naturization documents. The employee
was rather quick and I suggested them and she asked for no more. I did sign
a disclosure to investigate or get information on me. It seems to me the
Congressman's office would need a lot more, like proof they are my parents,
photo ids from the past and miscellaneous supporting documents.
I got a pro forma letter from the office a few days later. Perhaps I should
contact them again and ask if they need more documents.
What is annoying and some may have no sympathy about rates considering
others' expense with the INS, but if I file a 600 it will cost me 240
dollars and God knows when it will be processed. My license will cost about
50 - so the total cost of 290 dollars *to renew* my driver's license, from
the point of view of someone WHO IS a US citizen, me --that is an atrocious
fine for not having a simple verification that is official.
Like I said, in the Motor Vehicles department there seems to be no one that
can make a judgement call on the documents based on intelligent prudence,
even a high official, but goes down a list of requirements. Since, this is
all new law that has not been perfected or corrected yet, seems like I have
fell in the cracks.
I am just glad I do not have 5 kids or a big mortgage or I could be losing
my home over this since I can't drive to work, and apparently, there is no
tool to resolve it quickly available to the citizen public through a court
or same-day/soon day interview/investigation personally at the INS.
Basically they, it seems to me, are putting US citizens through the same
rigors and que as a person newly applying from another country for a missing
piece of paper, that was suggested at the time of Naturalization of the
parents that additional papers are unnecessary and the "kids are automatic".
Harry
\
> Another option you may have is to apply for a US passport. You can't
> get a green card if you're a US citizen.
I was told that they ask the same parameters of identification now with the
US birth certificate to get a US Passport. INS (or whatever they call it
now) said they (the passport people) use the same requirements. This was
said by one agent and I do not know if correct as I have gotten conflicting
info.
> If you have problems dealing with the CIS (or whatever the INS is ca-
> lled nowadays) or the State Dept, get in touch with your Congressman
> or Senator.
That is exactly what I did. I was in my Congressmans office and an employee
took copies of my mother's and father's Naturization documents. The employee
was rather quick and I suggested them and she asked for no more. I did sign
a disclosure to investigate or get information on me. It seems to me the
Congressman's office would need a lot more, like proof they are my parents,
photo ids from the past and miscellaneous supporting documents.
I got a pro forma letter from the office a few days later. Perhaps I should
contact them again and ask if they need more documents.
What is annoying and some may have no sympathy about rates considering
others' expense with the INS, but if I file a 600 it will cost me 240
dollars and God knows when it will be processed. My license will cost about
50 - so the total cost of 290 dollars *to renew* my driver's license, from
the point of view of someone WHO IS a US citizen, me --that is an atrocious
fine for not having a simple verification that is official.
Like I said, in the Motor Vehicles department there seems to be no one that
can make a judgement call on the documents based on intelligent prudence,
even a high official, but goes down a list of requirements. Since, this is
all new law that has not been perfected or corrected yet, seems like I have
fell in the cracks.
I am just glad I do not have 5 kids or a big mortgage or I could be losing
my home over this since I can't drive to work, and apparently, there is no
tool to resolve it quickly available to the citizen public through a court
or same-day/soon day interview/investigation personally at the INS.
Basically they, it seems to me, are putting US citizens through the same
rigors and que as a person newly applying from another country for a missing
piece of paper, that was suggested at the time of Naturalization of the
parents that additional papers are unnecessary and the "kids are automatic".
Harry
Aug 23rd 2004, 12:48 am
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Re: Been in USA 45 years with natuarlized parents can't get drivers license
On the other hand the only document you may have proving Citizenship is a defunct British passport.
You are from another country, not sure why you should expect special priveleges on the basis of time.
And yes I am sure you could get your UK passport renewed, probably a lot quicker than you will find the US system. You have to renounce UK citizenship, it does not lapse and even then I think you can get it reinstated.
You are from another country, not sure why you should expect special priveleges on the basis of time.
And yes I am sure you could get your UK passport renewed, probably a lot quicker than you will find the US system. You have to renounce UK citizenship, it does not lapse and even then I think you can get it reinstated.
Aug 23rd 2004, 2:40 am
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Re: Been in USA 45 years with natuarlized parents can't get drivers license
"Boiler" <member22431@british_expats.com> wrote
> You are from another country, not sure why you should expect special pr-
> iveleges on the basis of time.
I beg to differ and thanks for the reply. I still have my draft card and
took my preinduction physical to go to Vietnam where I was not called. I
have paid US taxes for decades. Including State and Property taxes for
decades.
From Kindergarten I have gone to US schools. I had no consciousness of life
at all in the UK or very little. Biologically where I left the womb you are
correct but I am as American as anyone I know born here. I have been a
citizen for almost 50 years but have a document problem right now.
I beg to differ, a person (who is a citizen) of my status and other
naturalized citizens should be treated with the same expediency as any
natural born citizen, in my opinion. Though that is not to denigrate aliens
who are put through rigors with inefficient government agencies (typically)
. Though, I understand the seriousness of the climate today.
Harry
> You are from another country, not sure why you should expect special pr-
> iveleges on the basis of time.
I beg to differ and thanks for the reply. I still have my draft card and
took my preinduction physical to go to Vietnam where I was not called. I
have paid US taxes for decades. Including State and Property taxes for
decades.
From Kindergarten I have gone to US schools. I had no consciousness of life
at all in the UK or very little. Biologically where I left the womb you are
correct but I am as American as anyone I know born here. I have been a
citizen for almost 50 years but have a document problem right now.
I beg to differ, a person (who is a citizen) of my status and other
naturalized citizens should be treated with the same expediency as any
natural born citizen, in my opinion. Though that is not to denigrate aliens
who are put through rigors with inefficient government agencies (typically)
. Though, I understand the seriousness of the climate today.
Harry
Aug 23rd 2004, 3:14 am
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Re: Been in USA 45 years with natuarlized parents can't get drivers license
"Boiler" <member22431@british_expats.com> wrote
> On the other hand the only document you may have proving Citizenship is
> a defunct British passport.
Though I saw my child, defunct British passport last year after making a
rigorous search (and still searching) I fear it lost.
I DO have my parents passports from 1957 that have a hand-written reference
to their two children and naming such with my name appearing in their
passport. I do not know what my older brother in this situation is doing as
unfortunately we are estranged.
Harry
> On the other hand the only document you may have proving Citizenship is
> a defunct British passport.
Though I saw my child, defunct British passport last year after making a
rigorous search (and still searching) I fear it lost.
I DO have my parents passports from 1957 that have a hand-written reference
to their two children and naming such with my name appearing in their
passport. I do not know what my older brother in this situation is doing as
unfortunately we are estranged.
Harry
Aug 23rd 2004, 4:07 am
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Posts: 2
Re: Been in USA 45 years with natuarlized parents can't get drivers license
I am sure when I was a child I was in my Mothers passport, I did not have my own, so it could be that you never had one. I do not think it was usual for Children to have their own, I will ask my Mother. I think it was an extra page they stuck in?.
If you do want to get your UK Passport I am sure that you could with little fuss,
http://www.ukpa.gov.uk/, but I guess that is not really the issue.
There have been many many posts from US Citizens bemoaning the USCIS, it after all impacts on the sponsor as well as the sponsee. Whilst '911' is the convenient factor, for the majority I have seen this has had little or no bearing on the delay factor. I do not know why everything takes so long, seems to be a broke and understaffed system.
You occasionally see questions from immigrants who have lost documents but most who have been through the mill are too aware to mislay such documents, more likely that the persons in your queue are also US Citizens.
If you do want to get your UK Passport I am sure that you could with little fuss,
http://www.ukpa.gov.uk/, but I guess that is not really the issue.
There have been many many posts from US Citizens bemoaning the USCIS, it after all impacts on the sponsor as well as the sponsee. Whilst '911' is the convenient factor, for the majority I have seen this has had little or no bearing on the delay factor. I do not know why everything takes so long, seems to be a broke and understaffed system.
You occasionally see questions from immigrants who have lost documents but most who have been through the mill are too aware to mislay such documents, more likely that the persons in your queue are also US Citizens.
Aug 23rd 2004, 6:58 am
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Joined: Aug 2004
Location: arlington, VA
Posts: 34
Re: Been in USA 45 years with natuarlized parents can't get drivers license
just from couriosity how did you renew your DL before? At my knowledge you supposed to do it every 5 years (or shorter period). If you did do it, DMV should have a record of that. You also mention something about voting. Do you have your voting card? If you do that is proof of you citizenship. Only US citizens can vote! anyway goodluck with your case.
Aug 23rd 2004, 12:39 pm
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Re: Been in USA 45 years with natuarlized parents can't get drivers license
"codyVA" <member27336@british_expats.com> wrote
> just from curiosity how did you renew your DL before?
In New Jersey they simply send you a form that you mail in previously.
Starting this year all were told to go to a Motor Vehicle Agency with a
point system giving various documents different points. The birth
certificate said that it has to be a US, sealed certificate, but has equal
points or close to equal for a Naturalization document and a couple other
documents like a passport or military ID.
An ironic side note to this is that the Governor of New Jersey is stepping
down in scandal after giving a position to an alien who was his gay lover
(not a comment about sexuality) to HEAD Homeland Security for $110,000
dollars a year who had no credentials or training on security that he said
he was being "blackmailed" by (and refused to step down now until 9/3 so
another election via State constitution does not happen placing his man in
the Governor’s seat - people on both parties have asked him to step down
now)
> At my knowledge you supposed to do it every 5 years (or shorter period).
If you did do
> it, DMV should have a record of that.
They don't care how long you have had your license. I went to 3 Motor
Vehicle agencies.
One told me I need a Green Card, yet, posted here, someone said a citizen
cannot get a Green Card.
> You also mention something about voting. Do you have your voting card? If
you do that > > is proof of you citizenship. Only US citizens can vote!
anyway good luck with your case.
There is no voting card. You are on record in your town as a voter and
registered in a Party or Independent. The local town automatically sends you
out a sample ballot on every election. When you vote (in my locale) you sign
a book that has your name signed multiple times from previously voting
earlier elections.
About the person who commented he had no child passport: I have seen my
passport about a year ago. I had family in my house (my 30 year old American
born son) temporarily and lot of things got moved around
I am still in search of this on a daily basis until all possibilities and
place are thoroughly searched in my house. My house contains about 45 years
of brick-a-brack and many boxes and storage cases. I am taking the
opportunity also to clean out the entire house looking for the passport.
My fear is that it was accidentally thrown out. Though, I do not believe the
passport is absolutely needed, but may make things easier. My parents
passport has BOTH on the same passport with a reference to me and named,
written by hand in an entry on one sheet of the passport. My other fear is
that (and I did not look at it thoroughly when I found it last year) it may
have an "A" number on it or even a stamped "US citizen" that may be as great
help for information.
Harry
> just from curiosity how did you renew your DL before?
In New Jersey they simply send you a form that you mail in previously.
Starting this year all were told to go to a Motor Vehicle Agency with a
point system giving various documents different points. The birth
certificate said that it has to be a US, sealed certificate, but has equal
points or close to equal for a Naturalization document and a couple other
documents like a passport or military ID.
An ironic side note to this is that the Governor of New Jersey is stepping
down in scandal after giving a position to an alien who was his gay lover
(not a comment about sexuality) to HEAD Homeland Security for $110,000
dollars a year who had no credentials or training on security that he said
he was being "blackmailed" by (and refused to step down now until 9/3 so
another election via State constitution does not happen placing his man in
the Governor’s seat - people on both parties have asked him to step down
now)
> At my knowledge you supposed to do it every 5 years (or shorter period).
If you did do
> it, DMV should have a record of that.
They don't care how long you have had your license. I went to 3 Motor
Vehicle agencies.
One told me I need a Green Card, yet, posted here, someone said a citizen
cannot get a Green Card.
> You also mention something about voting. Do you have your voting card? If
you do that > > is proof of you citizenship. Only US citizens can vote!
anyway good luck with your case.
There is no voting card. You are on record in your town as a voter and
registered in a Party or Independent. The local town automatically sends you
out a sample ballot on every election. When you vote (in my locale) you sign
a book that has your name signed multiple times from previously voting
earlier elections.
About the person who commented he had no child passport: I have seen my
passport about a year ago. I had family in my house (my 30 year old American
born son) temporarily and lot of things got moved around
I am still in search of this on a daily basis until all possibilities and
place are thoroughly searched in my house. My house contains about 45 years
of brick-a-brack and many boxes and storage cases. I am taking the
opportunity also to clean out the entire house looking for the passport.
My fear is that it was accidentally thrown out. Though, I do not believe the
passport is absolutely needed, but may make things easier. My parents
passport has BOTH on the same passport with a reference to me and named,
written by hand in an entry on one sheet of the passport. My other fear is
that (and I did not look at it thoroughly when I found it last year) it may
have an "A" number on it or even a stamped "US citizen" that may be as great
help for information.
Harry
Aug 23rd 2004, 1:11 pm
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Joined: Aug 2004
Location: arlington, VA
Posts: 34
Re: Been in USA 45 years with natuarlized parents can't get drivers license
I can't believe you haven't been on Oprah yet 
Keep us posted cause I really want to know how does it end up. Good luck again.
Keep us posted cause I really want to know how does it end up. Good luck again.