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Just read what has happened to you and your family and that is shocking and an absolute disgrace, I can't believe that a Government body like CIC can be allowed to move goalposts and ruin somebodies life like that!!!!:frown:

Have they not got any equal opportunity or human rights laws in Canada?:unsure:

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Speaking from our own experience I'm not sure whether it's moving the goalposts or a case of one hand having absolutely no idea what the other is doing.
With regards to human rights etc,a plethora of that nonsense can be found in the GTA and Vancouver,fortunately the sandal wearing yoghurt knitting P.C.brigade have yet to encroach into the Prairie Provinces,long may it remain that way.
Almost sounded like Gremmie then,:eek:,but you only have to glance at Europe to see how those idiots carry on.:frown:

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Have to take issue with you on that one:

If it wasn't for the "PC yoghurt knitting brigade" 200 of my work colleagues would not have a STRONG court case pending for equal pay nor 70 have a STRONG case pending for unfair dismissal and equal pension issues.
(According to a top NI barrister we have engaged)
I am heavily involved in BOTH!!:thumbsup:

All being challenged under Euro Equal Opportunities and Human Rights laws!!!:thumbup:

Maybe "Karen31" and her family would not be in the S_H_I_T if the same thing was available in Alberta?:confused:

"Squeaky bum" time for those waiting on PR in Alberta me thinks.:(

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Unfortunately this requirement has been common knowledge in Alberta for some time, but it's all accademic anyway as the answer to all your questions is...

"The federal Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC), Temporary Foreign Worker (TFW) Program, is designed to allow foreign workers to work temporarily in Canada for a limited period of time, as authorized by a CIC Work Permit."

There need be no discussion with anyone about your status... your OH is a TEMPORARY FOREIGN WORKER.

Clear warning to avoid making any plans or getting a mortgage, etc until you actually have PR.

Hope things go well in the UK for you, and the dogs get looked after ok in Canada.

BTW: You should have put this on your blog to try and embarrass them (Canadian Gov't), and as a very clear warning to others.

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A good warning this, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO ALBERTA. There are other provinces.
Little more than an excuse to refuse PR. You need 5 'O' levels to drive a truck? Really? I'd like to know how many Canadian truckers have the equivalent.... The industry over there is full of good little boys who did well in high school? Paragons of virtue.
You think thats bad? Well imagine being an English GP looking to take your skills to Canada.... You need to requalify all over again. The healthcare on PEI makes the NHS look great, its not like they don't need doctors.

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Its not to drive a truck. Its to emigrate through the provincial nominee programme, in general. (at least in Alberta) They cant have one rule for one 'profession' and another for trucking.

They want you to be able to contribute to their economy. To bring skills and experience. Alot of jobs would require you to have at least a high school diploma, even a waiter... so they are making sure you wont move over, quit trucking, be unemployable and have to sign on and claim unemployment.

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Do they need the same thing in Saskatchewan?

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Question for NWTrucker,he's should be coming over shortly.

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Quite frankly to CHANGE the rules in January2011 while Karen's hubby with family was ALREADY over working in AB for TWO years under a TWP and had applied for PNP is completely WRONG and CANNOT be justified in any way!!!:frown:

But you seemed to have come back to the UK in a rush when the "rules" only changed in Jan this year, are there no such things as human rights lawyers or employment/imigration specialist Solicitors in Alberta?:blink:

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Did the rules actually change though? High School graduate equivalency has been a requirement all along hasn't it?

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Well then I wonder how many of the trucking guys who already have PR in AB do possess 5 "0" level passes@gradeC or above/5CSE grade1's or whatever is the eqivalent in GCSE's etc?:confused:

Or is it just that your need to have any level of grades in any five subjects of the above?

Surely then "Karen31's" hubby has studied and taken/passed more than five secondary school exams when he attended school?:unsure:

Thinking back(loooooong time:o) it was approx 10subjects I studied at school during 4th/5th forms and only gained one gradeC "O" level and one grade1 CSE the others being lesser grades but still passes.

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I had to go and look to see what I got, Math, Science, Bioligy as B's geography, English Litt, History as C's and English Lang as D re took it 2 more times and did not improve:rofl::rofl:

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Well I never had to prove I finished high school , never mind show exam passes ( 2008 ) they have moved the goalposts . :frown:

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I seem to remember I put all that info in any way, cant remember if it was asked for or not:confused:

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I can readily accept that it is getting much harder to gain PR in AB for "new TWP/PNP" applications but to ruin the life of somebody by moving the goalposts DURING a PNP application is disgraceful and shameful for a Government body.:thumbdown:

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Apparently they didn't, those have all ways been the rules, its just that no body bothered to look before.

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wow can you still read the scratchings on the slate after all these years :eek: when i filled in our forms about 3 years ago it asked for exam results, obviously i had to use an extra sheet of paper as i filled the original form up :thumbsup:

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Only because you cant do big boy writing:rofl::p

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hey thats not fair you read my application form didnt you :rofl::rofl:

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CIC posted it on their web page as it had been completed in red and green crayon:rofl::rofl: when they specifically say only blue crayon:p:p

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yea but my blue crayon was blunt and nursey wouldnt let me use the sharpener after the last incident :rofl::rofl:

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Hey Karen, so sorry to hear about you and your families plight and I really hope you win the fight with immigration.

The education requirements did change in January 2011 and one of the guys who worked in our place had the same issues and was refused nomination. He got lucky as his Wife had a job that qualified as a skilled worker and he quit our place when he got an open work permit through her status.

I took a print off into work and the then immigration person told me” yeah I know about that” and threw it in the garbage!

I received nomination November 1st. 2010, 13 months after applying for it in this company, and yes they did check my education history.

Hey Kevin, believe it or not I am edjumicated, and have even been to Tech College and still went on to drive trucks, lol!

I started this thread as people read the older threads and think things are quick and easy to come here-they most definitely are not and things are getting tougher by the month.

I have watched two people in our place alone in the last five months get forced out of Canada, with two weeks’ notice to leave.
The problem is immigration can do as they please here as what are you really going to do about it? After all, you are “just a temporary foreign worker”. Yes they can, and do, move the goalposts frequently and from what I have seen the people they give the toughest tome to is the Brits-ironic really as North America as you know it today was really started off by us! Hell Canada even has the Queen’s head on its coins.

I will be honest with you we all love it here, but, if we were in the UK now I wouldn’t be looking to come here, I would be trying somewhere different. On the CIC newsletter they have admitted that there are severe problems with the immigration system (there’s nearly a million people in the PR process at present) and that Canada can no longer attract the skilled workers it needs as people see the processing times and problems and head off to a different continent, somewhere you can get a decision made a lot quicker and easier. It’s the length of time here waiting for a decision, with all your family’s lives on hold that’s the real problem. Like you, and so many other families, you start a new life here and settle in, only to be told a long time down the line that you have to leave. It tears people’s lives apart and is disgusting in a so called compassionate, caring country.

Once again I wish you well in your endeavors with immigration, please do keep us informed of you progress.

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Like you, and so many other families, you start a new life here and settle in, only to be told a long time down the line that you have to leave. It tears people’s lives apart and is disgusting in a so called compassionate, caring country.
Its a known fact that certain requirements have to be met when immigrating to Canada, and that yes they may not all be fair. But any one emigrating should know this from their research that their is a possibility of refusal on TWP, and should have a contingency plan in place. It has nothing to do with Canada not being compassionate, if an applicant doe not want to take the risk of going the TWP route, they can always apply for PR from the UK and then come across risk free.It just takes 3-4 years.

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You end up paying a lot of money up front to the Canadian government,not to mention taxes all the time you work here,and they don't even abide by their own posted timelines!!! Other countries manage it,why not here.

Also they were the ones who encouraged us to be here!

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Yes all correct, but if the applicant does not meet the required standards, or lies on the application forms it can not be deemed CIC fault. They do not just refuse for the fun of it do they ?? Their is always a reason, we may not agree with it but their is one.:(

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Agreed Gremmie- it's just that they take so damn long to tell you!

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Again the time lines are readily available on the web site, so not to hard to research before applying. Either way shitty for those that get turned down, but 99% of the time avoidable.:o

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No one holds a gun to your head and forces you to come to Canada, and people pay taxes in other countries.

The delays in a administration of the system are not really defensable, but if it would make things better for you I have some magic beans I can let you have for only $500...

Does that sound too good to be true? Would you be sceptical and check out the facts before sending me the cheque? Well why would anyone move across the atlantic without doing the same thing?


I came to Canada on a Temporary Work Permit. The word "Temporary" was a big clue for me that it might not be forever unless I met some other criteria...

Immigration is not in business for the convenience of people who want to live in Canada, its there strictly to serve the purposes of the canadian economy, nothing else. Dont kid yourself otherwise.

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What happens when you originally met the requirements,after checking out everything first,then they go change them?

Of course it's to service the requirements of the country you emigrate to-what country would want to attract people who were of no use to it's economic well being?

The thing is with long haul truck drivers(truck drivers of all types actually)Canada does have a chronic shortage right now,ask the local companies here.Where I work we are getting close to being 100 drivers under strength in Edmonton terminal alone.

I can tell you something-without truck drivers the trucks don't move,and if the trucks don't move there are serious ramifications for that that countries economy. I have witnessed the implications of fuel not being delivered to industries and it isn't good.

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Thats what I said but not so puffy and poncey:rofl::p:rofl:

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But there are truck drivers, ones who are already canadian residents. that is what has changed and thats the whole point of making it harder for foreign workers to becoming permanent. Regulations and requirements change to suit the economic times. There is a recession in this country if you hadnt noticed. The canadian government appears to be paying for training programs for the long term unemployed, I know second hand one woman training as a trucker right now. When there was a boom and no one wanted to drive truck they made it easy to get foreign workers (TEMPORARY foreign worker permit, remember). Now times are tough, canadians will do it for the money. I guess for now they are still "in training" and there is a shortfall that TWP holders need to fill, but 5 years from now who knows, time will tell if the government guessed right...

When they do change the regulations they grandfather in the old applications to the old rules, no one applies and then finds the rules changed. If you apply and get rejected for a lack of high school equivalence now, its because that was the requirement at the time you applied and you missed it.

Even then they still give you the opportunity to show you do meet the requirement before they reject you... you can always try to do an equivalence here to meet the requirement.

Is it exploitation? Perhaps, but should it be a surprise? Not to me its not.

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Fact is hundreds of Truck drivers have made the move and most got their PR in less than two years , I got mine in 14 months and came over AFTER the OP did , So it must be a very bitter pill to swallow when they change or insist on certain criteria half way through the process. Then lengthen the process times while their at it , (Took me 3 weeks for PNP nomination now its taking 13 months ) So putting your life on hold for over four years is unacceptable in my book , they either want you or they don't .

We were all led to believe PR was a forgone conclusion just as long as you ticked all the boxes as an applicant before you got here . And I for one would not make the move now knowing what I know now.

There is still a massive demand for Truck drivers in Alberta and no signs of a recession either and I'm pretty sure these new tactics from CIC will come back to haunt them .

And after all this thread is all about telling others what pitfalls they may come across if they want to live and work in Alberta as a Truck driver . Which can only be a good thing.

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It seems that whoever repeats this matra.. “just a temporary foreign worker” still does not get through to the guys who STILL bring out their families and get mortgages etc, then cry when they can't make a living as a truck driver or get booted out.

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There will always be a shortage of truck drivers here. You can’t attract youngsters to the job and the baby boomers are due to retire soon, these are facts and are laid out numerous times in the trucking and government press releases.

The response was to hire foreign workers with the promise of PR at the end for those that wanted to apply. Yes, promise is the right word too, as they well know that very few people would want to uproot and move to another continent for a couple of years only to go back at the end of it.PR is the carrot that is waved to get people to come here.

I have Canadian truck driving friends in Ontario and they tell me that they have still have a shortage of drivers there. Out here in the West there is a chronic shortage of truck drivers and many companies use the PR carrot on their websites and when recruiting in other countries.

Ed Stelmach, Alberta Premier made the trip to the UK and was televised selling the “Canadian Dream” to Brits to come to Alberta, so yes that is exploitation.

Collins English Dictionary definition-“Exploitation: to take advantage (of a person, situation, etc) esp. unethically or unjustly for one’s own ends. See ; abuse, manipulation, misuse, trading upon, using.”

Pretty much sums it all up don’t you think?

This threads purpose,as the title suggests,is to tell people how things are right now here.

As a point of interest iaink I guess you wouldn't mind telling us how long in total your PR process was? Usually the people who are saying everything is good with the current process are the ones that went through quickly with no issues?

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If you read the OP post you will see that they applied before the requirements changed-therefore they did not get grandfather rights.In other words the goalposts WERE MOVED.

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It certainly looks that way, Roy, but given how so many have abused the system it is, in some ways, unsurprising.

Now I have to be careful how I word this sort of thing as there are many that will dive right in, and I don't really want the thread hijacked again. But the education limits were sort of in place when I moved here. I only needed a letter from my old secondary school stating that I had completed secondary education, though.

I am sorry to hear of this. There are many here who seem to struggle with spoken English, let alone written. Half of them only seemed to qualify to be here because their spouses had enough skills, and it is a pity some of them managed I suppose, given these new circumstances.

I am not sure what right of appeal these folks have, although there must be something I hope.

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Ok did a bit of research, and spoke with some buddies that know a bit more about this than me, and the answers came back as follows. It is thought that because most Truck driving jobs require that you have a "high school education" this means you have passed high shool and have your diploma.ie passed. The UK equiverlent is calculated to be 5 O'levels, and its this level that was introduced at the begining of the year. This has affected many, and what most have done is by a calculator and the books and have studied on the road to take and pass the GED exam:thumbup: That the poster on here decided to up tail and run is his own fault IMHO.
Also what many are miss understanding is that they are being offered a TWP and therefore a temporary position, usually for 1 year. They are NOT being offered a permenant job with PR. The PR can be applied for after 6 months from a completely different goverment body.

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Pr can be applied for and gained before even arriving in the country if using PNP

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No it cant

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So one GED exam is the equivalent of five O levels?:confused: