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Ok I'll play even though Im not part of the "pack " :rofl::rofl:

Arrived August 2007 started with Westcan Calgary

Sent paperwork off for PNP April 2008 came back 3 weeks later with nomination :cool:
Sent paperwork to Buffalo May 2008 for PR application

Medical Request August 2008

Passport Request November 2008

Down to Coutts Border (-28 all the way :blink:) December 12 2008 around the flagpole and achieved PR and set a new record for being fastest family to gain PR at Westcan Calgary :thumbsup:

Yes we were very lucky in picking the right company and getting over when we did and getting PR so quick.
It aint that easy or as fast now that's for sure :thumbdown:

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Rather not be referred to as part of "the pack" but anyhow,
Arrived beginning of 2006,nominated by Saskatchewan in Aug 06,sent all paperwork to Buffalo which was returned because my dear wife had sent them too much money(she loves spending etc LOL),re-submitted and granted PR in July 2007,handed in my notice with Prudhomme Trucking a couple of weeks earlier as we fancied a holiday.Some guys who'd arrived before me were still waiting PR status but we cracked on and did everything as soon as we could(almost),then we were free to make our own choices.
Certainly Alberta seems to be more anal regarding the PNP,not sure how people moving into SK are getting on nowadays,although during 06/07 the goalposts seemed to change the the day,and that's if the office bods understood what they were really meant to be in the first place.

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You may be tough, but not too clever:confused: if you put the cains on every day why wait until you are in a foot of mud:p:rofl: Any one with 2cents of sense would put them on before :thumbsup::o

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I wouldn't call them tough I would call them something else for putting chains on every day.
Why don't you tell us how long you were actually out of work while waiting for LMO's/work permits and then tell us that you didn't realise that their was a problem ocurring with pnp/immigration in Alberta!!!
99.9% of drivers come here with one main aim, PR. Now if there is a problem with applications for WP or LMO's when other provinces were still handing them out and you choose to stay in Ab then that is your choice, don't blame everyone else, and as for you and kb33's comments on FB, pathetic and you have the gaul to call some of us childish:rofl::rofl::rofl:

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The comments were a private joke that's all, Nothing childish, Just a bit of banter , But seen as you are no friend of mine on FB , You must have been snooping on Roy's profile to have read the conversation , So who's pathetic now ?

As far as I'm concerned we are bringing to the attention of any would be immigrants to Alberta the pitfalls that they may come across in gaining PR , Is that so wrong ?? Please don't confuse this with Mcfly's rantings either , That's been going on for far too long and he didn't even get to the nomination stage :rofl::rofl:

You were the leader of the BTD witch hunt , Doesn't even compare with this , That was a private matter which some of you wanted to be made public but only told half the story , Then when others asked what was going of you told them to mind their own f**** business , Now that was very grown up of you ;)

In fact since that fall out with BTD you have become very argumentative and confrontational on the forums , Maybe its a coincidence but I doubt it.

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Are you really so insecure that you have to lie about past events and comments to try and argue your case.
Facebook is public and Roy is a facebook friend of mine so no snooping but yes childish remarks!
Mickfly tells his story you slag him off and shoot him down, Roy tells his story you defend him for doing the same as Mickfly!
You know nothing of what went on with BTD and he was the one who brought it onto the internet and these forums, check back it's all still here!
My aggression is no coincidence, I cant stand fools! :rofl::rofl:

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Me insecure :rofl::rofl: and were did I lie ??

I really cant be arsed to argue anymore , If you cant see (or too thick ) to see the massive difference between Roy's and Mcflys case then I'm waisting my time , You had to look into Roy's profile on FB to see the conversation , in other words you went looking for something .

I don't know what went on with you and BTD but you turned the thread into a big slag-fest , Just like you are doing with this one ;) and Tnet ! :rofl::rofl:

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:thumbup::thumbup::rofl::rofl:
You tell us its on FB then have a pop for me looking and according to FB own definition "is a social utility that connects people with friends and others who work, study and live around them. People use Facebook to keep up with friends"
So where is the snooping:confused::confused:
You and Roy are telling your tales of woe exactly as Mickfly has and still does, No difference whatsoever, warning of the pitfalls as you both put it:rofl::rofl:

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There are always pitfalls and risks involved. Nobody can ever question that. But as I recall, Dave, myself and someone else I can't recall actually offered Roy all assistance, including somewhere to live, to relocate to Manitoba. The offers were genuine enough because we were all saddened to see what had happened to him out there, and there were very few issues here or in SK at the time. The truth of it is that those offers would still stand. There is also a good chance that contact with MPNP and an explanation of the circumstances would result in Manitoba accepting them to this Province almost right away. It would be better use of anyones time to enquire than to be getting flak on here.
In fact, there is one company which Dave or myself would probably recommend in this area that is able to get LMOs in fairly short order at the moment. It is well known that AB requires "sponsorship" from the company while MB only requires you to be permanantly employed.

Thus, the main thing was that Roy felt he had a better chance in Alberta and stayed there. that was his choice.

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Thank you, I don't understand why it is everyone elses fault that Roy has had problems, you are absolutely correct about the genuine help and the fact it is still on offer but it was his choice to remain in Ab and out of work but to then complain about it and goad others into an argument then take the piss on FB is unbelievably childish and pathetic.

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OK OK I will spell it out for you in plain English so even you can understand ;)

Your not a friend of mine on FB but you are with Roy right ?

So the conversation would not have been visible to you on Roy's wall. So you log onto FB and you would have no idea the conversation ever existed in other words

So you must have taken the trouble to go into Roy's profile to see the conversation , Now do you do this on daily basis or were you just curious as to who Roy as been talking to ? especially after this thread. (you were basically ear wigging a conversation , bit like you would in a pub , only you decided to butt in and cause an argument)

Its certainly not something I can be bothered to do that's for sure. The wife maybe :o;)

Second point :

Mcflys argument was with a particular Trucking company and his personal treatment by that company right ?? So really the events only affected him (Although I have no doubt they have affected a few other drivers , But certainly not everyone of them )

In Roy's case its a Provincial and Federal problem, So it affects everyone coming to Alberta and to some extent Canada and its not just Truckers .

I know this for a fact as I speak to other drivers affected by this on a daily basis , So its not sour grapes by one man that's for sure.

Its not one man's grievance against one company, It affects everyone coming to Canada on a TWP.

If you need any more clarification just let me know :)

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Obviously not very good at spelling then are we:rofl::rofl:
As a fb friend of Roy everything on his wall is visible to me so no snooping required, isn't that what fb is for???? or is it just to take the piss out of people you think can't read it:unsure:
Same thing with Mickfly, telling his story that could affect the biggest percentage of drivers coming to Ab.
So grow up, quit the personal insults and be a man, admit when you are wrong or carry on with FB like your wife:o:rofl:

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Now here lies the problem , How did he know the Alberta PNP were going to play hard to get ? How did he know CIC processing times would lengthen considerably ? As this wasn't the case when he started with Westcan

Were all pretty clever with hindsight aren't we ?

And it ain't that easy to sell your house and move thousands of miles away and start again , especially as you didn't want to live there in the first place.

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BS

It like debating with a ten year old , honestly do you actually read anything that's posted or just spout your own crap when suits your needs. Go back to Tnet ;)

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If its bs why be so offensive then? A true sign of insecurity:rofl::rofl:

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So I will repeat my previous statement and question from page 3 that you seem to have conveniently skipped over.
Why don't you tell us how long you were actually out of work while waiting for LMO's/work permits and then tell us that you didn't realise that their was a problem ocurring with pnp/immigration in Alberta!!!
99.9% of drivers come here with one main aim, PR. Now if there is a problem with applications for WP or LMO's when other provinces were still handing them out and you choose to stay in Ab then that is your choice

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You are getting confused again Dave , Read the thread again , Then come back to me.

FWIW I had to wait 8 weeks for an LMO back in 2007 when things were a lot simpler , That's a long time to be out of work and no money coming in.

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Because your annoying me with your argumentative attitude , Nothing to do with insecurity :)

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Kev, if Dave had commented on Roys FB post, or even "liked" it, then any responses would be on notification to Daves wall. Therefore, he would have been notified of you commenting on the same post.
Don't make Dave out to be some crazed stalker because that simply isn't fair. As for the differences between Dave, Mark, Neal and myself, well as far as I am concerned it is way past and water under the bridge. It has no place here. Raising them now is a waste of time.

No, I agree it is not easy to sell up and move, but losing everything thanks to APNP is no different, surely? If you are going to take a hit then you are, and the best thing to do is make it as gentle as possible. Many of us have had hard times here. Hell, my wife got cancer, got cured, lot sick again and died.

So take any attitude you have of ivory towers and poke them where the sun don't shine because there are very few of us here have had an easy ride. So you see how it is in general, we got our PR after most others, reall. Took 2 1/2 years for us. None of it was easy.

Roy has had several offers of several types. He is still here and still getting by. I wanted to think he was just having a bad day when he posted this on BTA, but then I was told it was here and flying along so I looked. So it is clear that he is disheartened and upset, and I can understand that very well.

In all fairness, he would be looked after by many of us. It may not be ideal, but it is better than this. The fact that AB are way behind, and that they are a bit strange in how they do things, has been public record for a while. People are still going there and people will still get accepted. Roy should be in contact with them to see what is happening.. That would be better than this.

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It takes more than 1 person to have an argument:rofl::rofl:

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Pretty sure you could have an argument with your self any time ;)

Anyway to summarise this thread :

Guy comes on here " to tell it how it is " Gets shot down in flames from people who have no idea how the system works , don't even live in the same province.

Gets told he should go home now and its all your fault, no body else's , Should have moved Province long ago etc etc . But they know better eh ?

I come along and get similar treatment get called a liar and insecure ! Also accused of dishing out personal insults :confused: (might have patronise a few though )

Doesn't matter one jot that I live and work here and talk to other drivers affected by the same problems. Cause they know best ;)

Most have been banned from other forums , So now come on here to peddle their hatred for anyone daring to disagree with them. They always back each other up like school girls in a playground.

And its always the same characters that want the argument regardless , Look on the H&R thread for more mindless drivel that as nothing whatsoever to do with the thread title. But yet I'm the childish insecure one. :rofl:

And to finish I heard today that Westcan are now telling new recruits in Alberta not to expect PR for FOUR years. But I suppose I made that bit up as well. ;)

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Kevin. As far as I know I have never been banned from a forum by anyone but myself. And I am "backing" others simply because they are being truthful. We were all there when Roy first had problems as you know. We all were upset by it. We were all delighted when he got the job at Westcan.
We heard NOTHING until now. Nichts nada rien. The issues with CIC and APNP are things that have been coming to light only fairly recently, and we have been told about the 13 month wait for PNP several times.

But there were alternatives for Roy. There still are. They may be unpalatable but we are all grownups here. We should all be aware that life doesn't always follow the predicted patterns. Roys post, in a nutshell, tells people that it is a waste of time coming here.

And maybe, Kevin, you should include yourself in your categorising as you are slinging insults out well enough.

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In fact, now I have got home and read your post again, I would say you have gone way beyond being patronising. Now here`s the thing. We do know how the system works pretty well. We have been on the same sites as you have, and have been on them a damned sight longer than you have. IIRC, you sat on the fence about coming out here for months, and asked about a million questions of the same people you are now insulting.

So wind your neck in. We have all been through the uncertainty. I was one of the first to even get an LMO in my own right, and was the first in this area to go through that route, and I did all my paperwork myself, so don`t try telling me I don`t understand the system because I do..

You all tell the world that AB is THE PLACE to go, and how great it is.. Look at who you have for a neighbour there in your hometown.. tell me how great it really is.

Instead of sniping at me or Dave (bearing in mind that the last civil words we shared were probably in January) get off your ass and help Roy to get sorted..You are there telling us we are wrong, well prove it!! You think you understand the Alberta system then get your thumb out and help the guy out!

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Nice rant Rob , Unfortunately most of it is inaccurate or untrue. Some thing's never change ehh ?

You obviously don't know how the system works here in Alberta , Otherwise you wouldn't be constantly arguing about it. Just accept what Roy and I say is true , Because you and a few others are just been dogmatic about the whole thing. I even provided a link to an official website , So you all making your selves look foolish to be honest.

So you have been on a few sites longer than some , Is that something to brag about ? Tell me is there qualification period on these sites where i can have a honest opinion and share with the almighty from Manitoba ? I mean its not the bloody Freemasons you know ! :lol: It's a public forum and there's a clue in there somewhere.;)

So I sat on the fence did I ? How about research trip in May 2007 and living and working out here August 2007 - Didn't hang about did I ?

I don't remember asking any questions .. Not one, I came out here on the research trip in May , signaled my intentions on Online truckers and World War Three started with you BT and few others. I didn't ask one question as we had already made our minds up , I do remember the PM's you sent me , But I didn't ask for them . And for the last time , I am not insulting anyone , merely defending my self from personal attacks from people who are old enough to know better . Read the thread again if you don't believe me.

At the end of the day , I'm just informing people how things have changed out here and stand to gain nothing from any of it.

So I should wind my neck in ? Why what you going to do ? Send the boys around ? Because I dare speak my mind and tell the truth .

Don't get me wrong I have a fantastic lifestyle out here wouldn't swap it for the world and I haven't been back to the UK in nearly 4 years and no desire to , I love it here no question , But its not as easy as it once was to come out here and if I had to do it all again I probably wouldn't to be honest, Knowing what things have happened to others here.

Not sure who my neighbour is though ?

So last but not least .. You say go and help Roy out because I know the system here in Alberta , Well his paperwork as been at CIC for the last 9 months for PR processing with no sign of a confirmation , So what exactly do you want me to do ? Burst in the offices with a shotgun demanding they process Roy's papers cause BTD told me so !

Anyway welcome back to the forums and seen as the Steinbach Mafia have reformed I look forward to proving you all wrong again. :)

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Having seen what you wrote on another thread, it is obvious you have no clue. I would not want to be the person arriving at Toronto with his LMO and job offer saying "Kev told me it would be OK". In fact, that shocked me.

Read it again yourself. I have never said I know how the APNP work, but I do know how CIC work simply because I had to jump through more hoops than most did. APNP should be a red flag to any emigree now. It is obvious they have a different agenda to the other people in the system. You can sit there with you "I'm alright, Jack" attitude and say how fast it was for you if you wish. Some of us had to convince CIC that we would be good and not be too much trouble. You just sailed through, didn't you?

Spare me your sarcasm as well. It is not particularly well thought out and is rather wasted on me, truth be told. If the Steinbach mafia are out there then they dislike me more then they do you, believe me. None of this makes the least bit of difference. Roy is in the cart. I know this as does everyone else. He posted the exact same thread on BTA as well, which is the only reason I came back here to look.

As you say you know how it works so well, do as I would have done and bloody well ask someone you know. Do anything you can, same as I would. Now you are there pissing and digging at me and showing me just how much a waste of time these boards have become.

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You can't even admit it when you get it so terribly wrong, you resort to insults and pointless rants that are so far from the truth it doesn't even make sense.
Like I said so insecure that pointing the finger at everyone else and blaming them is all you can do.
I reckon it's because you feel extremely guilty for being the person that put Roy in the position he is in now:rofl::rofl:

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Keep asking myself why I keep coming back here , it's not that I have to or anything . Then I realised it's for the entertainment value !!!

I mean this stuff just ain't avaiable on the TV/Radio :rofl:

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Didn't say I put the chains on in the mud-now that would be poor planning and really dumb:rofl:-the foot of mud is what you get to lay out the fuel hoses in at the tanks:D

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Alberta doesn't allow you transfer the nomination,or application for nomination,over to another employer-you must start the whole process all over again.

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Putting chains on is a requirement of the job!!!

Laid off February 13th. 2009. Spent two weeks trying to locate a company with LMO's to no avail.KB 33 gave me some contacts and I secured a position with WBT March 10th. 2009-BUT I then had to wait 7 weeks for an LMO to arrive before heading to the border to flagpole before I could start work.

The other Provinces weren't exactly flush with companies with LMOs -so I stayed where I had the safest bet and my family had settled.

The comments on FB were merely humor-if you choose to take it any other way that's up to you!:D

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Who ever said it was anyone's fault-except for the foot dragging government offices involved in the process-not forgetting at the end of the day we actually pay for the PR processing.

Yes,there was offers of help from others on this forum and I am still am very grateful for them.

I found work in Alberta,I had to wait for the LMO,which is Federal Government issues.

There was no goading just a bit of a rant:D

No p*** taking on FB-just some humor.You and others on here could read it so where was the malice in it?

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Now hopefully the dust and insults have settled,and I still never understand the need for all the bust ups on here:confused::

I have successfully persuaded(mildly threatened) CIC to give me a two year work permit.

I have not given up fighting-in fact I have just returned from our local MP's office to get them to contact CIC as I have now discovered,for everyone's information,that CIC MUST answer the inquiries sent to them by an MP.

Now I know others have had issues with the PR process(Bob had a particularly tough time getting his PR for the family)but what I'm getting at is a few years ago there was a whole bunch of things on forums and blogs about how easy it was to come to Canada(you can read a few posts on here to that affect)and that's what helped influence me in my decision to come here,but,and it's a big but,things have changed dramatically here in the last couple of years and the intention of this post is to give the other all too common side to the immigration story.

If I had read some posts on the other side of the coin of immigration-and let's be honest,not many people are willing to share their bad experiences here and tend to just give up and go back at the first sign of trouble,so they ain't going to tell their story on here,I would have given more consideration to the processing times and maybe went to another province or even not come here at all.

Why can't we have the truthful,so called negative,comments on here without a fight-it's supposed to be an informative forum after all.:huh:

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You tell em Roy !! Whoops I said that on FB and got verbally attacked !! :rofl::rofl:

I heard the other day that the local MP around these parts as now got involved , There are quite a few in the same situation that I know off , Although in fairness not been out here as long as you have , But still feeling just as frustrated.

One guy been here over two years still on a TWP and his daughter as got a Uni place , But they want $22k for the fee as they don't have PR, Otherwise the fee would have been $5k , And I hear stories just like this all the time.:(

Not sure you will get your wishes on the truce though. :o

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A few home truths never hurt anyone , But you might want to step of your perch now , And an apology wont go a miss either ;)

Go back to the H&R thread and see how I backed you up while your so called mates were stabbing you in the back , I was also one of the first to send my condolences after your sad loss while a a couple were noticeable by their absence from the same thread.

I didn't want to bring any of this up but at the end of the day I will defend myself from you and anybody else , Face to face, Truck stop or Public Forum Its all the same to me. I have only been outspoken because its a subject I know something about and the only person I'm having a dig at is those that offend me , So if you cant take it don't dish it out, and just think for a second before you hit the keyboard .

Now lets put an end to all this bickering , But somehow I really doubt that will happen just like the apology.

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So all in all 3 month to get a WP and you still thought that nothing was wrong with the system:thumbup::thumbup:

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That's what we were told in sk during 2006,but when a few of the guys talked to the relevant people downtown their nomination was carried over regardless,nobody really knows the rules,it's up to the individual to take the lead and very politely demand from the office bods what they require,result happiness:)
Known a few mates who once nominated by the Province gave up work and sat back waiting for the postman to deliver the golden letter.

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have to agree with you, i know at least 2 blokes who changed jobs b4 P.R and another who changed province, but they DONT like it when you do...paperwork is everything here......never, never LIE!!!!!

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Trust me I tried everything to switch the nomination over when I got laid off,and another driver just switched companies and has had to start again on his PNP for the new company.
As for not working,either at all,or at the same company that nominated you,you best talk to the guy who had Buffalo check up on him-when they found he wasn't working for the company that nominated him he had to start all over again.No golden letter at all and not a good result,eh?

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I note you have been very quiet on how long the PR process took you and what would have happened if you were unable to change your employer while on a WP?:unsure:

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How is it nearly everyone on here appears to know how to fix things with the immigration process-but the things being said are not,or never have been possible to achieve here.
The situations I have listed are either from first hand experience or directly from the other person concerned.
There are,at present,35 people on work permits in my terminal alone,so I would say that is more than a fair representation of what is currently going on here?