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Old Jun 17th 2016, 8:53 pm
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Originally Posted by sir_eccles
Is it ok to jump to conclusions when a muslim does something?
Yes. Its OK to jump to conclusions when anybody does anything ...

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Old Jun 17th 2016, 11:52 pm
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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter
It's quite easy to get people hysterical en masse - look at Princess Diana's funeral.
You have got to be an American, why not mention the Kennedy's in the ultimate hysteria ...

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You have got to be an American, why not mention the Kennedy's in the ultimate hysteria ...
The Kennedy's what?
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Old Jun 18th 2016, 6:46 am
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The Kennedy's what?
You heard ...
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Old Jun 19th 2016, 3:05 am
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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter
It isn't, or wasn't, about gun control in the UK. It was attitude self-control. We aren't, or weren't, the kind of culture that wanted to be armed, still less the kind of culture that thought that shooting people was an acceptable response to anger, frustration, sadness, fear, etc. etc. British culture isn't, or wasn't, like American culture. Just like Switzerland, where all the men have a gun but don't use them to shoot people. American culture apparently cannot handle being armed. British culture is, or was, different. The escalation of hysteria, fear and xenophobia of late is helping not one bit.
The London riots of 2011 prove your post wrong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_England_riots

All mass shootings are political. They have nothing to do with the availability of guns. It's the way the powers-that-be enforce their views on the populace at large. Kinda like the dukes of medieval Europe using the knights to impose their will on the peasants when they got out of hand.
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The London riots of 2011 prove your post wrong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_England_riots

All mass shootings are political. They have nothing to do with the availability of guns. It's the way the powers-that-be enforce their views on the populace at large. Kinda like the dukes of medieval Europe using the knights to impose their will on the peasants when they got out of hand.
I'm puzzled by this. Mass shootings are perpetrated, or encouraged, by the powers that be? In developed, western countries, the "powers that be" = "the government." So the U.S., French, and British government carried out, or encouraged, Sandy Hook, Bataclan massacre, Dunblane? (Just to take three examples.)

I think your medieval example is somewhat accurate, but the modern analogy would include Bloody Sunday massacre in Northern Ireland, Kent State shootings in the U.S. - which of course were perpetrated by the government's uniformed forces.
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Well it looks as though the Remainers are going to win the election because of this murder.
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Originally Posted by robin1234
I'm puzzled by this. Mass shootings are perpetrated, or encouraged, by the powers that be? In developed, western countries, the "powers that be" = "the government." So the U.S., French, and British government carried out, or encouraged, Sandy Hook, Bataclan massacre, Dunblane? (Just to take three examples.)

I think your medieval example is somewhat accurate, but the modern analogy would include Bloody Sunday massacre in Northern Ireland, Kent State shootings in the U.S. - which of course were perpetrated by the government's uniformed forces.
If you agree it existed in medieval times why not in present times? Like shooting the "remain" mp in order to get a sympathy vote for the "remain" vote. Did you ever hear the term "politics ain't bean bag"? What do you think they are talking about?
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Originally Posted by jeepster
If you agree it existed in medieval times why not in present times? Like shooting the "remain" mp in order to get a sympathy vote for the "remain" vote. Did you ever hear the term "politics ain't bean bag"? What do you think they are talking about?
Sounds like you're not a great believer in representative, democratic government. A bit of a Hobbesian, in fact.

No, I never heard the term that you quote. I'm familiar with the concept of conspiracy theories etc., though. Clintons murdered Foster, aliens at Roswell etc.
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Well it looks as though the Remainers are going to win the election because of this murder.
One hopes the public were going to come to their senses anyway.
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One hopes the public were going to come to their senses anyway.
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In retrospect, I guess that could be misinterpreted.
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