scrubbedexpat096

Sorry I got through the first paragraph but then it flagged up for subscription.


I agree that the current unknown length of time before symptoms show is a worry, but that doesn't distract from the fact that theses viruses/pathogens are everpresent in everyday life. Given the right conditions any one of them can thrive.

robin1234

Problem is that article is NYT so behind a paywall. (I certainly couldn’t see it.) Article the same day in The Guardian, about Aylward and that WHO research.

I totally agree that people not paying sufficient attention at present is not helping. As I see it, it’s not so much the death rate that’s important, as two (three) other percentages.

1. Proportion of the population who will catch this. (40 - 80%?)
2. Proportion of those who will need hospitalization.
3. Proportion of those who will need ICU, to attempt to save their lives

Obviously, hospital beds are limited and can easily be overwhelmed, leading to tragically unnecessary deaths.

As I understand it, if the spread is slowed down by robust measure, then the inevitable progress of the disease can be spread over a much longer period, allowing people to cycle in and out of the hospital and the ICU, allowing as many as possible to receive proper treatment.

andyrebell

I am sorry I misread the post I thought you were speaking about your daughter. Should your daughters colleague be treated as below? Quarantined for life? Or even better let just start culling the infected people like cattle. It could be the only way to stop the spread of the infection. It is by no means certain we can ever develop a vaccine.

Jerseygirl

you are beginning to sound a little unhinged. Perhaps it’s best if you keep such comments to yourself.

andyrebell

As maybe but quarantine of an entire city would cost billions every day and seattle is a smaller city. Look at the boston marathon bomb 1 billion dollars that cost to find that guy overs 24 hour lockdown. Going down this road you are talking trillions of dollars.

scrubbedexpat096

your not even coherent.


It's not me you owe an apology to.


Your starting to sound even more crazy by the post, suggesting mass homidice is far fetched to say the least

andyrebell

I was being sarcastic actually of course they are not going to do that. You are talking about the quarantine of an entire city for an infection of 150 cases and 11 deaths nationwide in a country of 300 million. The sealing off of boston cost 1 billion dollars when they captured the boston marathon bomber and that was an 18 hour lockdown. You propose a quarantine of 2 weeks? 1 month? How long?. The USA is not close to that yet and can not afford it by any stretch of the imagination

spouse of scouse

Never mind all that, I want to know if killing and eating people is still on the cards in Baltimore and Detroit

robin1234

In a post a few hours ago, petitefrancais linked to an article in the New York Times and referred to it in her comments.

I, and presumably others, can’t see the NYT article because it’s behind a paywall. But I think the article was about the WHO research mission to China, which looked at the effectiveness of the Chinese response to the epidemic, and whether other countries could learn from the Chinese experience.

For those who can’t see the NYT article, here’s a good article on the same topic..

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...ther-countries

scrubbedexpat091

That is the tricky part, the mild symptoms most have, and seems kids can be carrying it and not have symptoms at all. I have a mild cold this week, but how do I know if its a regular cold or this new virus? There is no way to know, I haven't traveled so they wouldn't test me even if I went to the doctor, but the symptoms are too mild to seek medical attention, I assume its a regular cold since they keep saying we haven't had any community spread but never know now do we?

Can't really shut down major city's completely, the economic damage would be high, and damage to individuals as well, remember not everyone has a job that can be done from home, if their companies close down, they wont be paid, lower wage earners just missing 1 or 2 days of work can mean the difference between having rent money and not having rent money.

Working from home is a luxury of white collar workers.

andyrebell

And if you shut down Seattle aren't you also defacto shutting down the Pacific Coast Highway which runs from Vancouver to LA through Seattle? I am sure you can find a different route but still a massive disruption.

scrubbedexpat099

Without invoking martial law it is not possible to close down everything and even then not sure how effective it would be.

Plus of course you need to balance out the benefits with the consequences, unless this becomes significantly more serious I just do not see that it makes sense.

Generally speaking the deadlier virus is the more difficulty it has spreading, not sure I have seen anything that suggest that this is not the case here.

Jerseygirl

You don’t really have cold symptoms from what I have read. Dry cough, fever, headaches and it comes on fairly quickly.

scrubbedexpat091

I was just using cold as a generic term since those with very mild symptoms will likely simply think they have a generic cold or other virus.

This what Canadian government lists, several are same as a cold symptom.

• runny nose
• headache
• cough
• sore throat
• fever
• a general feeling of being unwell

kimilseung

Very minor inconvenience for through traffic, take 405 instead of 5.
If Bellevue was also quarantined, then the inconveniences would be great.