anotherlimey

That's only so the government can invade countries - for the common good!

exvj

Novelty enhances all our lives so I hope you enjoyed the experience.

Let me expand further:
I am talking about the common mentality of people in different settings and in different countries - people who are self centred and will only do what they perceive to be in their own immediate interest and look no further

People, in this case, who will not suffer any restrictions on their gun use, even though it would save thousands of lives of their fellow Americans

I would liken this to the mentality of people who let thousands of dandelions seed in their garden without regard to their neighbours, but I won't as I don't think everyone could make the link and it would just confuse the issue

I am talking about the 'common good' but I just get blank stares from many people as it doesn't seem to be a concept they have ever considered

Hey ho well it's a cultural difference I suppose and it's like trying to convince an eskimo that raw seal blubber tastes 'orrible

anotherlimey

In your opinion.

Also you're ignoring the fact the 2nd Amendment is there, theoretically, to protect the lives of thousands in the future.

exvj

It dates from a time when it was legal to:
own slaves
beat your wife
strap your children
use the N word in public
segregated drinking fountains etc etc etc

and only a hundred years after witch burning was legal

America and everywhere else has only improved by dumping our old ways and adopting new and better ways

Non of the above should be taken as weakening my support for the 18th amendment

Tell the widows of the three police officers about how it protects their family as they finalise the funeral arrangements

Bill_S

I would have thought that a troll as clever as you would avoid an obvious strawman like that.

exvj

Strawman ? what's that ? are you a buzz word salesman ?

How childish, do you have any points to put or do we only get a few words of your limited vocabulary at a time - and none of those addressing the subject ?

anotherlimey

The entire Bill Of Rights dates back that far, are all the 10 Amendments out of date or only the ones you don't agree with?

Plenty of cops are pro-2nd Amendment.

chartreuse

Now you're being rude.

exvj

America wouldn't be a very healthy place democratically if everyone agreed with the whole of the constitution and all of it's amendments. There wouldn't be any amendments if people didn't want to improve on the status quo
People were amending the constitution long before I arrived

A lot of people in Utah disagree with the 18th for instance - and i support their right to do so

Yesterday, we had people coming on saying what scum the police are - and now we are told that the support of some officers for the 2nd is somehow supportive for the 'anything goes' lobby

Seriously, I am sure the vast majority of Police Officers would prefer there to be less guns on the streets - and so would their families/next of kin

exvj

I don't like being called a troll

It makes me see red and want to go buy a really big gun and.....

You will notice that I am never badly rude to people who dont call me names -
names like communist, fool, pr*ck, troll etc
though I might try and hole their arguments

Some people speak in grunts and curses and obscenities without trying to put a point over and they have such hate and aggression - it makes my trigger finger itch and that vein on my forehead pulses and and and ...

Seriously I am concerned that people like these are gun owners and are out there on the streets

Leslie

There is a significant difference between a right and an activity that is not illegal.

anotherlimey

You can disagree - but you should know the majority of Americans want to keep the 2nd Amendment, even the Democrats.

I have no idea what you're talking about now with regards to police and the 2nd Amendment; I only said plenty of cops support it.

Bill_S

Your statement that gun owners are arguing that there be NO RESTRICTIONS on gun use... that's a strawman argument.

But you knew that.

Octang Frye

exvj

Luckily the Americans inherited and adopted much of the finest legal code in the world (The English one).

Everything that is not expressedly forbidden by law is lawful and it is our right to do anything - our rights are unbounded - everything is our right

We dont need a constitution to grant us rights because we already have them

Some of our rights can be taken away by laws which include amendments in the USA, and the electorate will only allow that if they can see it as being part of a fair trade

In the case of prohibition, a right was restored, much to my approval although I wasn't there at the time

People had the right to own guns BEFORE the second amendment - because it wasn't forbidden - it was only a warning shot (pardon the pun) across the bows of the control lobby which has lasted up to now and so fulfilled it's purpose

I would not like to live in a society where everything was illegal unless the government said it was not