special ed

I don't think anyone really believes that's what happens, but it's what most people would want

another bloody yank

He probably didin't realize the possible consequences or had other stuff going on in his life and it just wasn't a priority as long as he was legal. A man at work is married to a woman from Scotland. She has lived here 25 years, has a green card but no intentions of either getting citizenship or returning to Scotland for anything more than a visit. She just doesn't see the need.

another bloody yank

No I don't.

special ed

I actually do not have the luxury of remaining a LPR indefinitley (at least not without a drastic career change). When I first applied for a teaching certificate out here I had to sign a document saying I would apply for citizenship within x years or have my teaching certificate revoked.

Molly Malone

Silly Sod's on the phone, so I have taken over the comp.

What are you teaching, just out of interest?

Btw nice to meet you Ed

special ed

special education, (self-contained class of charming little delinquents) hence the name!

nice to meet you too

Molly Malone

Oh, right, of course, the name. I'm really helping to tear this thread away from topic, but there was nothing really more to say. I only post twice on "controversial" type debates, once, with my opinion, and secondly with a rebuttal; after that, why bother, your point's made and you're only belabouring it then.

What ages, or all ages? Interested because I was going to school to teach as well, Secondary Ed, History and Poli Sci, but ran out of money and now I'm just a checkout girl who reads a lot of history. I still would like to hear about teaching though of course. So did you teach in the UK? Is it really as bad as my OH says, like, most teachers die from suicide? I really hope not.

another bloody yank

I think here in the U.S. it's starvation, closely followed by suicide!

special ed

I have a class of ten students ranging in age from 12 to 14 in a small school (only about 90 students) who fir various reasons are no longer able to attend their local school. I taught for seven years in England before moving to the US (as a secondary geography teacher in various schools in London). I don't know about most teachers dying from suicide but it was a prety stressful job with a high rate of burnout but then that's no different from here in the US I would say. Having said that the school for ED students (Emotionally Disturbed) I work in currently is, in my view, an easier gig than the regular ed madhouse I last worked in, in England

Molly Malone

Wow, that's really wild, but I suppose it's true, I mean, you aren't in danger of having guns pulled on you from special ed kids.

So no different than US, okay. I am going to finish school here I think and then I hope to teach here, but I would like to teach in the UK too...actually, it doesn't really matter to me where I teach, it's in me somehow, I feel I was called to it, I've always wanted to teach. But OH thinks I couldn't handle it in the UK, due to rotten kids who attack teachers, etc. I think kids in inner-city schools need the attention more than the ones in the darn suburbs though.

So how is that for taking the thread off-topic? For the record I think it's crap, if you have lived here all your life you're as American as me, and deporting them to Cambodia would be like sending this wide-eyed corn-fed Iowa farm girl there to build a hut in the rice paddies. Bastards...I'm a socialist by the way (Are you reading this Homeland Security? I hate you all!!)

special ed

Well that's not really an issue in the UK due to our country's very different gun culture. It would be more likely with the students at my school (many of whom have brought weapons to school before being expelled and referred to us) if we didn't individually search all the students and wand them (airport style!) before they come in the building - they're all special ed as in behavioral disorders, not learning or physical diabilities.

Molly Malone

Wow! Unreal, I didn't realize that. Are they receptive to learning then, or is it all an uphill battle?

Pony

If the story had been wrote from a different perspective what would your opinion be. Lets say "gangland immigrant on shooting rampage", "recklessly fires weapon and endangers innocent lives".

Many people are outraged when celebrities get special treatment, yet here you are complaining that someone was dealt with to the letter of the law.

special ed

Most of the kids have had a pretty difficult experience of school, and life in general before coming to us so a big part of what we do is teaching social skills, anger management, how to function normally, etc etc. Academic learning is important naturally but secondary to what we are trying to achieve with the kids. The long term goal with all our students is to transition them back to their old school, even if it is just to another special ed classroom. Doesn't always happen though and some kids either stay with us until they graduate or get placed in residential programs.

Silly Sod

Well, if we are going to fantasise what this thread was about then we may as well talk about The Wizard of Oz. Read the thread and then think about what you are posting. Otherwise don't bother. Don't mean to sound like a prick but your quotes are meaningless and time wasting. There is no such thing as the 'letter of the law', there is only interpretation of the law and how it is applied. In this case badly IMHO. I will stand corrected though if anything sensible is said regarding this. Night all