Yorkieabroad

I've got 10 hod loads of bricks sitting in my garage...anyone know the approximate shipping costs to Wallsend?

scrubbedexpat099

They would need to get past the rebuilt wall first.

Pulaski

I hate to be a kill joy, but Hadrian's wall is entirely in England, and in some stretches, by many miles.

Nutek

What did the Romans ever do for us?

Hotscot

Pulaski

Well they built a wall in the wrong dämn place!

dunroving

The sad thing about all of this is that most Scots are perfectly likeable and reasonable chaps and chap-esses (just like the English, the Americans, etc. - surprise, surprise).

But the tone of the Yes campaign and in particular its main protagonists really doesn't represent the way most Scots interact with me regarding the independence issue, regardless of what side of the fence (or should that be wall?) they stand. You could say all politicians are R-souls, but it's more than that. There is just a real air of unpleasantness and snideness about it all. I think the tone will only get worse as we get closer to the Big Day.

And if I hear Margaret Thatcher's name used one more time on telly as some weird justification why Scotland should be independent I'll barf.

Hotscot

SultanOfSwing

I read chap-esses as cheap-asses the first time around

dunroving

There is a member of BE whose username, every time I see it, my brain reads as a slightly different, and rather inappropriate, word. I've seen the username hundreds of times and every time, my brain plays the same trick on me.

I could tell you who it is and what the word is but then I'd have to kill you.

SultanOfSwing

I shall be keeping a closer eye on the usernames now

Nutek

I used to have that trouble too.

The actual name was SATX John, but I kept reading it as Asshat.

neilcumming

Yes the SNP mandate has always been independence for Scotland so they will keep at it until they suceed and every election they gain more seats and become more stronger.
The Soviet Union wanted to retain all their satellite countries (Estonia ,Lativa etc) ,they even had a referendum on it but all these countries gained their independence anyway .Scotland is a country in its own right ,not just a region of the UK so the people of Scotland should only have that right to vote on their independence.It would be like the Czech Rep. saying to Slovakia "no you cant have your independence,we voted against it" ,just doesnt work that way.
The Western Isles voted for SNP ,the Orkneys and Shetlands for Lib-Dems,they maybe islands but they are still part of Scotland and as the vote is democratic and just like everyone else will just have to accept it,cant see them starting up their own parliament or "free the Orkneys " campaign

scrubbedexpat099

The Northern Isles have not been Scottish, a similar situation to the Scotland UK debate.

They could well be better off with their oil and gas revenues and fishing zones going it alone rather than beholding to remote Edinburgh politicians.

Mr Weeze

Ok, a quick response:

Lost vote = mandate gone. Can't push for another vote, angle has to become further devolution

The UN & UK believe in the principle of self determination (Gibraltar, Faroe Islands, Scotland Independence vote). I find it delightfully amusing you won't countenance the same concept towards Orkney, etc. So David Cameron is more progressive in this instance than your own beliefs?

This all smacks of naive ideology. There is nothing wrong with you truly believing an independent Scotland is the way forward. There is everything wrong with not being able or willing to critically examine the issues as opposed to blindly believe your politician of choice. There will be plusses and minuses - it's not as black and white as you make it.